Comment did I get FP ? (Score 1) 9
The best thing about all these AI stories is they give people a lot more chances for a FP.
The best thing about all these AI stories is they give people a lot more chances for a FP.
3) Why is it even possible to set a refrigerator to 50C?
You're making a logical mistake here, assuming it was possible to set them to that temperature. That's not what the article said was done. It specifically says they raised the temperature to that.
What they've most likely done here is activated the reversing valve - a thing that would be normally used for hot gas defrost - and bypassed the defrost termination time and temp sensors.
These things aren't like your home fridge.
>Please just put a sock in it.
No.
The OP complained about low quality programmers and "slop"; clearly a reference to AI generated code.
My retort was to challenge that - to point out that fronteir LLMs are now much better at writing software than most programmers. That is objectively true. It doesn't "feel true"; it _is_ true.
Then someone replied to me to try and snipe at ESR and DHH, as if they weren't both excellent programmers. Both of them are. That wasn't a person arguing against my point; that was the response of someone who COULDNT argue against my point, but was upset about it.
There are some bright and accomplished people here. That's part of what makes the place interesting and valuable.
There are also a lot of drive by haters.
Those are two examples.
You can also go read what Carmack says about it. (example: x.com post from 2026/9/11)
I hope you won't be so stupid so as to try dunking on Carmack.
I apologize for not knowing you or your accomplishments, but just playing the law of averages, both ESR and DHH have significantly larger bodies of successfully and daily-used code than you do, with bigger impacts on the field and the industry, than you do.
You probably don't have the right to shit on them, given your own lack of contributions.
(But to be fair, I'm just assuming, based on the law of averages. I apologize if I should know you and your great contributions, but do not)
I can say that both of them certainly eclipse _me_ so greatly that I can't be seen on any map that is zoomed out enough to show both of them. And while I am a relative nothing, I've had a handful of patches accepted in my life... and I've secured a few software patents in my day. That puts me in above-average territory. But there's more accomplishment gap between them and I, than there is between me and a person who cannot code at all.
There's no harm in admiring outstanding people. A particular fault of our age is that men do not know how to truly compliment and admire greatness when they find it.
ESR is a great man. DHH is a great man. My world and our industry is better for both of them. When they say that LLMs have completely changed the way they do the thing that they are better than almost all other human beings at... you should listen.
I agree we need better programmers.
We have better programmers.
The frontier models _are_ better programmers than all but the very best.
Look at the AI related posts from ESR and DHH on twitter. They are _all in_ on AI.
(DHH has been showing benchmarks of web apps being machine-re-written in Rust. Unsurprisingly, the apps get much faster)
A rough estimate is that the best LLMs do software engineering about as well as IQ 150 software engineers do it. That makes them better at it than the vast majority of people who write code.
People see an AI do something they dont like and then conclude "the AI sucks". But lets use honest weights and measures: Human programmers make worse mistakes, and make them more often, and iterate 1000x more slowly.
The way to think about it is this: generally the AI will write better code than the person prompting it would write, and it will do it several OOM faster. That means more code getting written than would otherwise get written, AND, it means that code is higher quality than it would be otherwise.
"Perfect" isn't the bar. "Better and in less time than if the human doing the prompting had written it themselves" is the bar. And that bar has been cleared with by a mile of daylight.
Junior engineers don't normally get to tell IQ 150 engineers what to go do. LLMs change that.
Sure.
That was not the case here.
Microsoft did not require masters degrees for entry level dev jobs.
It's common for Indian/Chinese folks to _have_ masters degrees, because going to the US for graduate school is a common "first step" in the process to get their feet on US soil - F1 student visas.
The way it typically works for an Indian or Chinese software engineer to get into Microsoft (or any of the majors, I assume)
- get 4 year degree (real or fake) back home
- get accepted to US grad school; get student VISA (F1)
- do grad school
- look for US company that will sponsor/supply an H1-B slot
- get OPT status for STEM (up to 3 yr extension of residence permit w/ industry work authorization)
- start at new company under H1-B status
- start the Greencard process
This is the normal path.
Now, here is what is structurally fraudulent about this.
1) The F1 visa is intended for students who plan to leave when they are done. It is not intended to be the on-ramp into the US labor force.
2) the OPT extension to the F1 VISA is not intended to be a long term resident work permit. They max out at 3 years for software people
3) Greencard sponsorship in this scenario is supposed to be downstream of the assertion that there is no human being already in America willing/able to do the work.
From a company POV
The converion rate from OPT to H1B varies; the # of H1B lottery slots are fixed, and people who run out their OPT clock without securing an H1-B lottery slot are allegedly supposed to go home.
The corps know that. So the OPT period essentially turns out to be a "no risk try out" where the company gets to see who is productive and supplicant.
This continues once someone has an H1B; that person knows that the moment they lose their job, they have n days to find a different H1B slot before they are subject to a removal order.
An H1B friend explained it to me: as long as he's on H1B, he never says no to working late; he never says no to taking the extra incident case, he never says no.
So he wants a Greencard for safety/security reasons; so he can stop being as much of an indentured servant.
The colleges love this system because F1 students can be charged full price to attend. The companies love this because they get indentured servants with a tryout period. And because they have an infinite supply of young 3rd world labor who is fighting over the scraps of available slots, which causes dramatic wage suppression.
When they find a gem, they can move forward with a fraudulent PERM claim and start the greencard sponsorhsip process.
There may be other things going on here. If you've been in the industry long enough, you may have come across the claim that "indians hire indians", and then if you look back at all the teams you've been on, the claim appears to fit the observed data.
(which is not to say that the claim is _true_... just that my experiences don't refute it)
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