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Comment Re:WRATH OF THE BLUESKY WOKE MORONS! (Score 1) 63

1) The above is the definition of the 14 core characteristics of fascism, from "Ur-Fascism" by Umberto Eco, who grew up in Fascist Italy, and is an influential essay on the characteristics of fascist thought (which well predates the new movement).

2) Fascism is not a synonym of Naziism. The Nazis were the the first fascist movement that had the word "socialist" in their name. Several minor ones (like the British Nazi Party) later cribbed it from them, but for example the Italian Fascist movement didn't use it at all when they came to power, the Spanish described their movement (accurately) as syndicalist, etc. In general, Fascist movements were a mix of syndicalism and corporatism, sometimes with a window dressing of socialism to smooth over alliances with powerful oligarchs.

3) The background on the name: Fascism is, as noted by Eco, an overwhelmingly middle class movement, but it likes to dress itself up in the trappings of the working class (the working class, by contrast, has historically been more attracted to socialism, which the middle class sees as a threat to its status). Fascist imagery commonly uses and glorifies the image of "the working man", with hyper-masculinization and motifs promoting the concepts of glory and sacrifice, with the leader presented as the voice of the working man.

But as for Naziism in specific: The Nazi party had its roots as the German Workers Party, which presented itself as a right-wing alternative to the Communist Party (KPD). Hitler joined and soon took control of the party, and in 1920 rebranded it as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / NSDAP). The party sought, in the name, to tap into the working class (the country was in a massive economic crisis with large numbers of unemployed people). At the same time, it sought to set itself apart from "socialist parties", such as the Social Democratic Party (SPD), by stressing nationalism. Other parties of the 1930s included the Center Party (Zentrum), aka the Catholics (also their offshoot, the Bavarian People's Party (BVP)); the German National People's Party (DNVP), aka the monarchists (probably the closest party to the Nazis, philosophically); German People's Party (DVP), sort of a middle class-pro business party, sort of your "Never-Trump Republicans" or "Conservadems" (also similar: the German Economic Party (Wirtschaftspartei)); and the German Democratic Party (DDP), aka non-communist pro-democracy leftists.

In the early days of the party - late teens to the early 1920s - the party had a mix of left and right stances. It was from the start rabidly nationalist, anti-immigrant, anti-Jewish, and in general met all of Eco's characteristics of fascism - but it also had some genuinely socialist-leaning members like Gregor Strasser and his brother Otto, who advocated for nationalization of industry and land reform. However, after the failed Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler became increasingly dominant. Hitler increasingly marginalized the socialist wing in favour of powerful corporate alliances, and then outright eliminated them in the Night of the Long Knives in 1934.

The party still retained a number of superficially socialist policies, but, as examples:

x - They created the German Labor Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront)... but after abolishing all independent unions. This allowed them to keep the appearance of supporting workers rights, while bringing all workers under their control and eliminating their actual ability to negotiate or strike.
x - They created affordable state-sponsored wellness camps and facilities and the like, with an emphasis on the outdoors, esp. to help people detox, etc, but if you're trying to avoid comparisons when you have RFK planning basically the same thing, that's not helping
x - They set a number of price controls and invoked war production acts, but again, that's not really helping the case vs. the current US administration's trade policy either
x - They talked about improving healthcare, housing, land reform, etc, but actually did very little in these regards. Again, not helping.

But overall, they much more strongly aligned with German oligarchs. Before Hitler gained power he started heavily meeting with industrialists. In a meeting in February 1933 he got most of them to "bend the knee" and provide financial support. Oligarchs were generally wary of the Nazis, but more afraid of the communists and socialists. One of Hitler's first acts in power was, as mentioned, to suppress all of the unions, which further cemented his alliance with the oligarchs. The legal code was sculpted into one of "guided capitalism" (what one might today call "Putinism"), where oligarchs were allowed to (and assisted in) amassing wealth, so long as they bent the knee to Nazi goals when it was demanded of them. Cartelization was encouraged, rather than discouraged. Large industrialists benefited massively under the Nazis, receiving large orders, suppression of strikes, access to slave labour (late regime), protection from nationalization, etc. Krupp expanded dramatically. IG Farben expanded dramatically. Major banks expanded dramatically. German automakers expanded dramatically. It was high times for German industrialists, and again, all they had to do was bend the knee. The Quandt family for example, which owns most of BMW today, owes its fortune to largesse from the Nazis.

But again, to reiterate, Naziism was a particular variant of fascism (perhaps notable for its inclusion of an intensely virulent Jewish conspiracy - other fascist movements were hardly pro-Jewish, but most did not include this notion of Jews as a "society-destroying woke mind virus")

Comment Re:Canceled my trip. (Score 1) 248

Yeah! We don't want the billions in tourist dollars!

We'd rather be stupid snowflakes that think the world should revolve around us!

>But you're just being that little girl.

WTG. Now I know to ignore you completely. Come back when you have any emotional or intellectual security.

Comment Re:Montana is fuuuuuuuucked (Score 1) 248

Why only 4 years? Surely the majority put Trump into this position, either by not giving a fuck or by being in his cult.

Approximately 33% of the populace is actively in his cult, BTW. Do you think they will suddenly all change in 4 years?

Does that not scare you when considering ANY trip over here?

Comment Re:I am shocked! (Score 1) 248

Well, that probably calls for a ban of products from the States and or the entire US, if it comes to that, that fail to meet European Child Labor law standards in their making.
Can't support that sort of thing.

Comment Re:Winning (Score 1) 248

>Liberal-leaning social media such as reddit and twitter started banning the conservatives because "toxic", "mysoginistic" etc.
Good. Do you know the types of posts you are defending? I hope so because then I can call you a scumbag.

>It's way more than woke.
Ah yes, the good old new definition, made up by MAGA, at least I know which team you are batting for. FYI, there is very little that is "woke", in the MAGA terminology of over the top sensitivity and reaction. I think that you will find the reaction of banning those people from twitter and reddit was sensible, not sensitive. Fuck you if you think otherwise. See? Either you agree with me or you can't get "sensitive" about it or you are a Snowflake.

>Any right wing vote is the result of a left wing that has lost touch with the people.
Oh yeah, let's put the blame on the people that voted the correct way and not the call out the people who voted for an insurrectionist, rapist, racist, misogynist, convicted felon, conman, failed businessman. "There is no personal responsibility" is what I'm hearing from you. Sorry, those people get to own their vote.

>, or by listening to their grievances and try to implement actual solutions
Please tell me what about Kamala's plans for governance that did not listen to the people. Lower prices, housing, drugs, worker protection, increased manufacturing, all part of her plan. As opposed to Trumps "I have a "concept" of a plan". responses, or NOTHING AT ALL. So don't tell me that the D's aren't doing this while the R's did such a great job that Trump got elected. No it's on the stupid people who voted for him.

Comment Fluffonomics, AKA, dictatorship (Score 1) 247

It's not "caving", it's financial favoritism. He wants CEO's to dance to his tune because they know they don't get exemptions otherwise.

He's withholding funds to universities who don't kiss him, law firms (security grants), and even cities who don't grant ICE more access.

Folks, you are witnessing another coup attempt, this one slower but bigger.

Comment Re:Winning (Score 1) 248

>they resent what they see as the people in power being more concerned with the rights of minorities than with the well-being of the majority of working class people.
No, they resent that there is ANY focus on minorities at all, because they are racist, misogynists, homophobic, etc.
>Like with so many things in politics, its about what it represents, and people tend to react to symbolic things emotionally rather than intellectually.
Exactly so. They think there is somthing wrong with other people emotionally, deep within them, and react to the dog whistles and Symbols that the Trump regime throws out.
>People (on the whole) don't overtly dislike immigrants or want to be mean to people, but they have concerns about the social and economic impacts.
Oh, BS. on the whole, people who voted for Trump, who you you seem to champion here, *do* dislike immigrants and want them out of the country. They say so, explicitly. Just look at what is happening. Legal residents being sent to death camps in El Salavador. 80% of the people sent are NOT CRIMINALS. WTF? Yet people are cheering him on.

Comment Re:Winning (Score 1) 248

Nope, the Democratic president will not wield the sweeping power that Trump has.
If only because most of it was Unconstitutional. Seems the D's don't really like that.

Maybe they won't care by then, though. I could see *that* happening, in order to right our Democracy. Can't destroy the Constitution if it's already null and void...

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