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Comment Re:Yes but (Score 1) 714

I'm not saying there's anything unique about the case, but, I don't understand this comment or how applies to my comment. What is a "poorly written description"? what I said in my most recent comment? The hypothetical comment that I claim to be infracting the law? What the defendant said?

I'm well aware the TYPE of laws are common, and in my opinion, they are generally reasonable. The guy designing a bridge I might someday drive over better know what the Hell he's doing. But the wording of THIS law is shit. For comparison, At least in my state, as I understand it, you're allowed to call yourself a "contractor". But you are not allowed to call yourself a "licensed contractor", and you are not allowed to do things that require a licensed contractor unless you are indeed a licensed contractor. Likewise, in the contractor world, you are allowed to DIY almost anything, you are just sometimes required to get it inspected (and call before you dig). The wording of this law, it sounds like under no circumstance are you allowed to DIY engineering of any sort; even for stuff that you own, that is on your property. and that makes no damned sense.

Comment Re: theodp (Score 1) 185

I think the theory is that by obtaining the extra credentials, you have more invested in your situation that acts as an incentive to not do things that would cause you to lose your license....I don't think this makes that much sense either. And I WISH pharmacists in the US could prescribe certain drugs. I spent 7 years as a pharmacy tech, and they absolutely have the knowledge to do so, and most pharmacists almost never get to flex those pharmacist muscles.

Comment Re:Yes but (Score 1) 714

Not according to the letter of the law: "A person is practicing or offering to practice engineering if the person...Through the use of some other title implies that the person is an engineer" 672.001 and "no person shall practice or offer to practice engineering in this state unless the person is registered and has a valid certificate to practice engineering" 672.020. You are not allowed to imply that you are an engineer unless you're a registered engineer. In practice, sure, they'd probably be fine with it. You are not even allowed to claim to be capable of building stuff if you aren't registered. It doesn't have any clause that allows you to speak in hypotheticals. It is a poorly written law.

Comment Re:Yes but (Score 1) 714

It's not that hard, but it's completely unreasonable. If you are licensed or legally employed as an engineer in other state, it's appropriate to call yourself an engineer. It's a dumb law. Make Registered Engineer a reserved word if you want, but not "engineer". According to the laws wording, you can say the examples you give. But if you said "I'm an engineer, but I'm not registered in Oregon" that still means you called yourself an engineer, and thus, you're practicing engineering without registering, thus you've broken the law. That's broken.

Comment Re:Yes but (Score 1) 714

Nah, they explicitly state that calling yourself an engineer counts as practicing engineering. ORS672.007(1)-b. It shouldn't. It makes it impossible to describe yourself as an engineer when you are not registered in the state, even if it's a true statement. It's an overbroad law that infringes on the first amendment.

Comment Re:Correcting myself (Score 1) 714

Thank you. Yeah, it looks like it's just 672.007(1)-b that's the problem. There should be a legal distinction between "engineer" and "registered engineer". Having it be otherwise serves no benefit. By the letter of the law, that wording means that even calling yourself "engineer who is not registered in the state of Oregon" counts as practicing engineering. The law makes it so you can't refer to yourself by occupation if you are under that circumstance.

Comment Re:Not News (Score 1) 714

Good insight, thank you. But the law in question doesn't say you can't call yourself an engineer. It says you can't practice engineering or offer to practice engineering in the state. He has done neither. Arguing that calling yourself an engineer implies that you are a registered professional engineer in that state is ridiculous, and if it's typical for the state to interpret the law as such, then that's a practice that should change. The law as written is perfectly reasonable.

Comment Re:"engineering" (Score 1) 714

It's more than just surveying. It's designing any structure or process that has the potential to be a risk to life, health or property. Even if he said "8 seconds would be better than 7 seconds" or whatever, that still shouldn't count, since it's not a proper engineering deliverable. Now if he offered to be the engineer responsible for designing the timing on the lights, that'd be different.

Comment Re:First Amendment should trump state law (Score 1) 714

There's no "should" about it. The First amendment does trump state law. The Constitution is clear on that. The problem here appears to be that one or more people misinterpreted the law in question. This is partly because it's poorly written, and fails to define what constitutes practicing engineering. Now if he said, "you should hire me as an engineer to fix your lights," that would violate the law.

Comment Re:What's really sad here... (Score 1) 714

But the guy clearly didn't violate that law. The law in question is in regards to "safeguard(ing) life, health and property," In other words, you aren't allowed to build a bridge or yourself select a timing for traffic lights. You _are_ allowed to observe, experiment, and provide information. You just can't be treated as an authoritative source.

Comment Re:EE Degree (Score 1) 185

Quality CS programs have every bit as much logic and reasoning as engineering programs. Frequently, they have quite a lot more. And the only math that they miss out on is advanced math that only applies to pretty specific realms. I know there's a struggle over whether or not CS should require Calculus, and I've known many people who dropped out because of that calc requirement. Personally, I think it's extremely valuable.

When I was waiting for a new project to begin, my company put me on infrastructure purchasing for a while. I did horribly at it. That said, in a lot of business, the mentality is to never go cheap on development hardware, because when it breaks, the combined salaries of all the man-hours wasted is usually higher than the money saved. And even tiny amounts of latency creates massive productivity losses with autocad.

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