Journal Timex's Journal: Closed-minded Liberals need not read further 60
Why not? Because they are the sort that would read this JE and condemn it outright, without a further thought.
For the rest of you, consider this video, which gives a simple run-down on the case brought against Senator Obama by Philip J. Berg, Esq.
Why should he be believed? Simply because he brings a very good point: if Senator Obama has nothing to hide, why is he trying to stall in the court? Why does he refuse to provide documents that any employer might expect from a prospective employee? (To that end, aren't the American People effectively the employer of the President of the United States? I think we are...)
It's a cut-and-dried case, in my opinion: Obama can show Berg to be a fool by providing the documents the case demands. It's not going to hurt for him to do so. Any claims to "privacy" on this matter were summarily thrown out the window the day he decided to run for the presidency. Any stalling, therefore, only hurts his position.
I find it interesting too, that this video points out that the image of Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" was modified by Adobe Photoshop. I'm not sure why anyone would need to modify an "official" image for display on a website, given that one can easily modify the dimensions of the image via HTML. If the image were too large for display a web page, its dimensions can be altered to make it fit. One needn't go through the process of physically altering an image for display like that.
The original video also points out that the laws in force at the time required that accurate information be provided for enrollment in school. Documents for the school(s) attended by a young Barak Obama (aka Barry Soetoro) clearly indicate that he was an Indonesian citizen. Indonesian law also puts the kibbosh on dual citizenship, so it was Indonesian or nothing, as far as they were concerned. If this is true, then regardless of the place of birth, any attempt of Senator Obama to regain American citizenship would make him a naturalized citizen, and therefore no more qualified for the Presidency than Arnold Schwarzenegger, as set forth by no less than the United States Constitution.
I'll be interested in seeing what the courts have to say on the matter.
[Update: I've put a copy of this on my blog for posterity. Comments and such here have not been copied over. The copy may be found at http://tpau.chezsmith.com/wp/Bill/?p=42 ]
Be a Truther if you will (Score:2)
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/12/obama-is-an-american-no-really [hotair.com]
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The link to which you refer depends on FactCheck.org, an organization with ties to Senator Obama. I don't consider them an "uninterested party", and neither should you.
The matter is before the courts, last I checked. I'm still interested in seeing whether or not the judge thinks this case has merit.
The immediate issue before the court for this case is whether or not the motion by the Obama campaign to dismiss is granted. If it is not, well...
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FactCheck.org...Owned by Annenberg? Are these the same Annenbergs that endorsed John McCain [johnmccain.com]?
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Yes, the one and the same [deathby1000papercuts.com]...
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:-) Yeah, I saw that in some other sites. Ahhh...The tangled web...
Nice to see others picking up on this... (Score:1)
Simple reason - two, actually (Score:2)
First, modifying the display size via html doesn't alter the bandwidth requirements - you're still downloading the fullsized image. Only the most incompetent web-monkey would do that, unless they intend the full-sized image to be cached by the users' web browser. Shrinking the image reduces bandwidth, makes the image (and the page) download much q
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How about the poor sucker who desides they didn't like the moniker their parents hung on them, and got a legal name change?
I legally had my named changed about twelve years ago, and they issued an ammended birth certificate with the new name. It does state that it's ammended though.
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If a typo is all there is to something that might be on Obama's record, what is there to hide, then?
The whole stink is over the fact that he COULD put this to bed right quick and make a lot of people that are against him look like utter idiots, then take the country in a landslide... Instead, he's dragging it out, not giving anything up. That begs the question of what, exactly, he's got to hide.
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No, the whole stink is that the filing is deficient on its' face (I'm speaking of deficient in the legal sense here). To bring an action to court, you need more than rumors. Otherwise, people would be suing the
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First, modifying the display size via html doesn't alter the bandwidth requirements - you're still downloading the fullsized image. Only the most incompetent web-monkey would do that, unless they intend the full-sized image to be cached by the users' web browser. Shrinking the image reduces bandwidth, makes the image (and the page) download much quicker, leads to fewer problems with the page reflowing, etc. It also reduces server load, since the server is pushing out fewer bytes per page.
I would think that (1) something as crucial as making sure that people know that the MSM's "beyatch" honestly qualifies for the position that they are pushing him up for would override idiot things like "bandwidth concerns". It only takes an honest disclosure to settle matters, then it becomes a non-issue... Instead, the Obama campaign refuses to give straight answers to seriously important questions. McCain gave up supporting documents when HE was questioned about his nationality, because he knew that i
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And there is NO way that, even with no concerns about bandwidth, that it would be advisable to stick exact replicas of identity documents on the net. Your original point, that they could have just alter
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I just re-read and caught this:
I find this part of the amended complaint quite hilarious: The defendants (other than Obama) have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the electoral system by properly vetting the qualifications of candidates, which they have failed to perform.
Granted, one normally assumes that someone vying for the Presidency is qualified... If, however, any doubt on the Constitutional qualification is called into doubt, it should be looked into by the party offering the candidate. Failure to do so risks making them the laughingstock of American politics and (worse) risks losing a potentially critical position in Washington.
By that same logic, McCain obviously hasn't "protected the integrity of the electoral system by properly vetting the qualifications of candidates", or he wouldn't have selected Palin as his running mate.
Sigh. Go back and look at the Constitutional qualifications. There's nothing there that says that a candi
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Sarah and Todd Palin are guilty of high treason.
They both encouraged the AIP - Sarah Palin did so from the Governor's Office earlier this year. You can see it on video, where she wishes them a good convention, and God bless them. As governor, she definitely owes her loyalty to the Sate of Alaska, and not to a party that would
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Sarah and Todd Palin are guilty of high treason.
Methinks the cold Canadian air is starting to get to you...
High treason requires that the alleged traitor have obligations of loyalty in the state they betrayed, such as citizenship, although presence in the state at the time is sufficient.
They both encouraged the AIP - Sarah Palin did so from the Governor's Office earlier this year. You can see it on video, where she wishes them a good convention, and God bless them. As governor, she definitely owes her loyalty to the Sate of Alaska, and not to a party that would like to see the State of Alaska cease to exist as the State of Alaska.
I can't speak for the people of Canada, but here in the United States, so long as people are peaceful and don't intrude on the rights of others, they can do or say almost anything.
The AIP [wikipedia.org] is no worse than people that want to form the State of Jefferson [jeffersonstate.com] or see Vermont [vermontrepublic.org] secede [blogspot.com]. They're entitled to their opinions. It's not like the Thought Police are going to come after us down here... ...not YET, anyway.
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There's opinions, and there's openly working to encourage a state to leave the union. The Palins did the latter - which is NOT protected speech, any more than conspiring to commit murder is "protected speech."
The protection doesn't extend to unlawful acts. Last I looked, the best you can get in that case is to take the 5th.
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Perhaps if you read a little about the AIP, you might catch the part where they affiliate with the Constitution Party [constitutionparty.com] on the national level. They have as much right to meet and discuss their political agenda(s) as anyone else.
If they chose to take up arms against the government to affect any secessionist beliefs, that would be a different story.
Just like Communist and Socialist parties aren't illegal, secessionist groups aren't either. They're all protected under the First Amendment to the US Constitution
The real truth (Score:2)
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The Right wing did no such thing. We were scrutinizing Romney's suspicious flops to the Right for signs of sincerity or insincerity, and watching Thompson for any signs of interest in actually being the nominee. Before that I was a Tancredo supporter, until he dropped out. The Right never seriously considered one of the many Liberal candidates in the race for the GOP nomination.
I think what happened was more like the GOP let the news media and non
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Hitting Berg's more difficult bullets (Score:2)
An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.
I've heard this allegation before, but never have I seen anyone actually provide anything to back it up. Certainly nobody doubts the first name on that list (Barack Hussein Obama), that is his birth name.
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Certainly nobody doubts the first name on that list (Barack Hussein Obama), that is his birth name. But where do those other ones come from?
I know the "Soetoro" name comes from his Indonesian school records, which nobody (on either side, especially Obama's) seems to deny.
That bullet leads to Berg's fifth bullet point
Illinois Bar Application Ã" Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.
Which of course only has merit if the latter names from the previous can be demonstrated to have merit. Being as Obama attended law school as Barack Hussein Obama, I don't really see any reason why he would use any other name on his bar application in Illinois (though of course IANAL).
I agree with you on this. I've never seen a reference to a statement from Senator Obama or anyone on his campaign denying the allegation that he went by the name "Barry Soetoro" when he was a kid in school. I'm not a lawyer either, but I would think that this would make "Barry Soetoro" an alias, yes?
Honestly, I see this whole thing like this: individually, these points might
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I know the "Soetoro" name comes from his Indonesian school records, which nobody (on either side, especially Obama's) seems to deny.
Do you have a reliable source for that, which you could provide a link to? I've only heard it in discussion sites, and never seen a news story with it that came from a respectable source.
And if I was on the campaign and saw the same - a lack of credible source for it - I would likely just ignore it as not credible. Why even bother responding to something that isn't credible to begin with? If I start saying that Sarah Palin is from Mars, and get it to show up on thousands of discussion sites but zero r
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Do you have a reliable source for that, which you could provide a link to? I've only heard it in discussion sites, and never seen a news story with it that came from a respectable source.
And if I was on the campaign and saw the same - a lack of credible source for it - I would likely just ignore it as not credible. Why even bother responding to something that isn't credible to begin with? If I start saying that Sarah Palin is from Mars, and get it to show up on thousands of discussion sites but zero reputable news sites, should I expect a response from their campaign?
The way you're talking, it sounds like you dispute that he ever went to school in Indonesia...
However, if as you say, it was a name he used as a child in school in Indonesia, then the context is important. If it was used there, then it may have been nothing more than a nickname to fit in better with the community, or to have a name that would be easier for those from Indonesia to pronounce. As a comparison, I know someone who grew up in Taiwan and came to the US to earn his PhD. He spoke fluent English and his name in Taiwan was Min-Hsuan. He opted instead to go by Michael while he was here. I wouldn't consider that a controversial thing to do.
No, but it's still an "alias". Depending on the circumstance, one may still have to claim it.
I haven't seen their campaign confirm or deny it. I suspect they don't see it as credible and have ignored it as such. Furthermore I haven't seen a credible source for it yet, which makes it even less worthwhile to respond to.
Well, CNN has debunked tales that Obama attended a madrassa [cnn.com], but they do confirm that he attended school there. CNN showed the school was a public school, and it was "muslim" only because its student body was predominantly muslim. (Indonesia is, after all, a muslim nation.)
What of the name, though? Well, if you watch th [youtube.com]
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The way you're talking, it sounds like you dispute that he ever went to school in Indonesia...
No, I don't doubt that he lived in Indonesia as a young child and went to school there. He doesn't deny it either. My comment on suggesting Palin was from Mars was just to be outlandish. I fully accept that Barack Obama lived in Indonesia and went to school there, just as I fully deny that Palin was from Mars.
CNN has debunked tales that Obama attended a madrassa
As well as numerous other news outlets. However so many people were still trying hard to tag Obama as Muslim, so there are still a nontrivial number of people who believe one or both of those.
if you watch this video [youtube.com], al-Jazeera themselves report that Obama was registered as "Barry Soetoro".
I
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...then it shouldn't be very difficult for Obama to provide them to the court, now should it
If you are referring to the birth certificate issue that has been debunked several times over, I suggest you check with factcheck.org and see what their independent team found when they reviewed the original documents in person.
Ummmm... Read through some of my posts to others in this JE... I don't buy much of anything factcheck.org has to say with regard to Obama, simply because of his past ties with them. Find another source (that doesn't depend on factcheck.org), and we'll talk. Depending on factcheck.org as the sole source of information about something like this is like me getting all my information about Obama from Fox News.
Back to the main point of the JE: Berg is apparently not alone in seriously doubting Obama's citize
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simply because of his past ties with them.
Can you elaborate on why you feel there are ties between Obama and factcheck? Considering even Dick Cheney endorsed using factcheck for the 2004 VP debate, I would be interested in knowing why you feel Obama and factcheck are connected.
But even if you ignore factcheck, you'll find other sites that did their own work to confirm Obama's birth status. There was even a pro-Hillary site that found a newspaper birth announcement in Honolulu announcing Barack's birth (found during the primary season when Hill
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So if that name could be established as belonging to Barack Obama
I've seen the document posted in many places, such as here [wordpress.com]. I have no reason to doubt its authenticity.
I don't see why it would be out of line
Nope. Seems perfectly legit. It seems like his stepfather committed fraud, claiming Barry was Indonesian to get him into the school, but I can't reasonably fault little Barry for that.
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I've seen the document posted in many places, such as here [wordpress.com]. I have no reason to doubt its authenticity.
You accept it because it was posted on someone's blog? Are you saying you accept blog postings without "reason to doubt its authenticity"?
It seems like his stepfather committed fraud, claiming Barry was Indonesian to get him into the school
Do you have something to back this up as fraudulent, or to support your claim that his stepfather ever called him Indonesian? In the US when a child moves with his mother to live with his stepfather (who married child's mother some time after birth of said child) it is generally not considered fraud.
Feel free to introduce something from a reputable source here, rath
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You accept it because it was posted on someone's blog?
No. Did you miss the part where I said it's been posted in many places? That link was just the first one I found so you could see what it looks like. Here it is from the AP [daylife.com], and in the Honolul Advertiser [honoluluadvertiser.com].
Do you have something to back this up as fraudulent
I have seen no other implication that Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen.
or to support your claim that his stepfather ever called him Indonesian?
The document says his nationality is Indonesian. We have no reason to think that's true. Ergo ...
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The document says his nationality is Indonesian.
Can you read the language it is written in? I cannot. For that matter the text itself is barely legible in the photos you provided links to. It would help to have someone who knows the language to interpret the meaning of the fields on the form.
In particular, what is the meaning of what is translated to "nationality" for this? Does it mean where you were born, or does it mean where you live? I don't know specifically where this school was, though I do see that there are over 17,000 islands in Indone [wikipedia.org]
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You're still a tool.
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You're still a tool.
Wow, there's another classy response from Pudge.
I pose a series of questions, and what answers come from Pudge?
None.
I guess I knew to expect that from someone who called Ayers a terrorist in the present sense [slashdot.org] and then just simply proceeded to get angry [slashdot.org] when asked for clarification. And then you proceeded to get angrier [slashdot.org] rather than answering questions, you went for baseless accusations [slashdot.org] labels and name-calling [slashdot.org].
Of course your dear hyper-conservative friend Naqamel [slashdot.org] congratulated you [slashdot.org] and shared in not
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I pose a series of questions, and what answers come from Pudge?
Nothing you said was interesting. Look, you first acted like I was making shit up over the registration document, even though five seconds of Googling would confirm that it has been reported by reputable sources. I am simply not inclined to try to prove things to you at this point.
If you weren't such an ass, maybe I'd oblige. We'll never know.
Sorry, I mean, if you weren't such an ass AND a liar, as the record proves. You continually insisted I said something I clearly never said, just to be an ass appar
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Nothing you said was interesting
Oooh, I see now you have progressed to starting your comments with insults as well.
Look, you first acted like I was making shit up over the registration document
I accused you of no such thing. Nothing you suggested was anything that hadn't already been repeated many times by other hyper-conservatives such as yourself.
However, you and many others like to go for "reality by repetition". Just like how you keep accusing me of lying without ever actually showing a single lie. Apparently you feel that you can create reality just by repeating your wishes over and over.
I wanted to s
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Yes, I am insulting you, because you're a liar and an asshole. Why shouldn't I insult you? You were acting like an ass even though I was providing information (and yes, you're lying again when you said I didn't provide a source).
If you weren't such a giant ass -- there's another one! -- then I might consider you worth my time. You are, so I don't.
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liar and an asshole
There's two insults before saying anything... are you going for a record here?
I was providing information
Except that the abcnews.com blog that you provided a link to contradicted your claim about Obama. The very text disagreed with your conclusion.
You provided no other sources in that argument before or after locking me out by adding me to your foes list.
an ass
That's three, and you haven't finished your first angry paragraph, so you are likely just warming up...
a giant ass
That's four and we're barely into your second paragraph.
I might consider you worth my time
Not really a di
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However, you and many others like to go for "reality by repetition".
You mean like Obama and his "Change" mantra or his "McCain is Bush" chant?
Puh-LEASE.
Tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough, and the people will believe it.
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You mean like Obama and his "Change" mantra or his "McCain is Bush" chant?
Don't' forget the "Obama is a Muslim", "Ayers is a terrorist", "Palin represents women", or "Obama will raise everyone's taxes" chants.
Though to answer your question, there are a lot of ways to define change, and a lot of ways to compare a candidate to a predecessor.
Tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough, and the people will believe it.
I'll agree with you on that. Its too bad that has become a top campaign technique.
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Thank you for proving my point, so I don't have to!
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Don't' forget the "Obama is a Muslim", "Ayers is a terrorist", "Palin represents women", or "Obama will raise everyone's taxes" chants.
The first is arguable. Considering who filled-out his registration work for school when he was a child, it was likely his father's hope that he would "come around" to Islam, regardless of what Obama's actual beliefs were at the time.
Regarding Ayers, well... He makes no bones about having been involved with The Weathermen. That group, regardless of their religious background, seems awfully "terrorist" in nature. Bombing innocents is never a proper solution to the ills of the nation or the world. The big
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Because I have certainly demonstrated all of those for you.
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No, you demonstrated none of that, in fact. You are, in fact, lying.
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Still waiting for you to demonstrate anyplace where these lies occurred. They should be extremely easy for you to find if they are as profound as your drama implies them to be.
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"Obama is a Muslim
Considering who filled-out his registration work for school when he was a child, it was likely his father's hope that he would "come around" to Islam,
Are you referring to the time Obama spent in Indonesia as a child? If that is the case, then you are referring to Lolo Soetoro [wikipedia.org], who was Barack's stepfather. His father Barack was already out of the picture at that point.
However, I doubt that Lolo was interested in converting Barack to Islam - in the same article you'll find that Lolo was described as "more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim", so I'm not sure why he would be interested in converting people to a religion that he wasn't exactly known for being devout towards.
""Ayers is a terrorist"
He makes no bones about having been involved with The Weathermen. That group, regardless of their religious background, seems awfully "terrorist" in nature
Correct, it is accepted that he was affiliated with the Weathermen. However, there are a few things to take into consideration before calling him a terrorist in the present tense
"Palin represents women"
it may be more accurate to say that Palin represents some women
I will agree with you that Palin does represent some women. However, when Palin was announced as the VP candidate, the media was quick to start claiming that large numbers of Hillary Clinton supporters were going to abandon the democrats to support Palin, which is unlikely when one considers that Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin have almost nothing in common regarding women's issues.
"Obama will raise everyone's taxes"
within the first 100 days, he will make a statement to the effect that our budget cannot stand on the current rate of taxation, and that Congress must act to increase taxes to accommodate spending.
Well, considering the strategy up to this point has been to just keep raising the debt ceiling for the federal government, there would be no hope to balance the budget as it stands without raising taxes.
However, that does not mean that everyone would need to see an increase in personal income tax. There are other ways to increase tax revenue:
there are a lot of ways to define change
The kind of change that Obama is promising though simply scares me. He wants to see programs happen that our government was never intended (nor designed) to do.
That is your own opinion, and you are of course entitled to it. We will see in a couple weeks if more Americans agree or disagree on that.
Worse, most of his supporters are oblivious to this fact, and want to see what they can get for a free ride
That is a sweeping generalization (to say the least). Exactly what do you figure to be this "free ride" that you envision his supporters are looking for?
almost every senator has voted to support something that Bush wanted to see
Sure, just about every member of congress has at some point in there career voted for something that Bush asked for or supported. I personally despise Bush but I still acknowledge that not everything he wants is greedy and/or evil.
And on top of that was the permeation of the politics of fear in Washington in the years immediately after 9/11 occurred. Bills were brought up to congress and the authors would threaten opponents with being labeled as "weak on terrorism" or "anti-American" if they voted against them. Unfortunately it worked astonishingly well.
Bush didn't use his VETO powers at all until July 19, 2006
He didn't use it for the reason above, and also because the republicans had majority in both houses, so there was pretty well nothing that came up that he didn't ask for or express support for.
Does that make them Teh 3vil? Hardly.
It isn't about labeling someone as evil. The reason why McCain is compared to Bush is because many of his policy proposals - economic and otherwise - have profound resemblance to what Bush has already done. Many people feel that the current approach in government has been ineffective and they want something else. They won't find much difference in a candidate whose policies don't vary much from those of the past 8 years.
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You are, in fact, only repeating yourself endlessly in the feeble hope that you might be able to create reality through repetition.
No, that's what you are doing. I already proved beyond any doubt I didn't say what you said I did. The proof is, of course, that what you quoted me as saying didn't say what you said it did. Your insistence I said something I never did is what got you foe'd. Your continued insistence is just pathetic.
Still waiting for you to demonstrate anyplace where these lies occurred.
That would be what I just said, and also what I said when I foe'd you.
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Still waiting for you to demonstrate anyplace where these lies occurred. They should be extremely easy for you to find if they are as profound as your drama implies them to be.
Let's see... Anywhere we look, we find official documents stating that Obama's (childhood) nationality is something other than American, which makes him ineligible for the office of President of the United States.
If you are so certain that Obama *NEVER* had anything other than American citizenship, prove it.
The ball is in your court.
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that what you quoted me as saying didn't say what you said it did
I quoted you calling Ayers a terrorist in the present sense. I also quoted your analysis of Obama's view of Ayers, which was itself contradicted by the source you were trying to use.
If you feel that there is a lie in there, you need to be a lot more specific.
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If you are so certain that Obama *NEVER* had anything other than American citizenship, prove it.
Children generally cannot denounce their citizenship. Obama was born in Hawaii, that has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt [factcheck.org]. It is agreed that he did live in Indonesia for several years, though that was all as a child. I suspect the document you are referring to is his school registration document from Indonesia. However, unless you speak Indonesian, it is hard to know exactly the context of all the fields in that form.
For example, when asked nationality on that form, was the question regarding th
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Are you referring to the time Obama spent in Indonesia as a child? If that is the case, then you are referring to Lolo Soetoro, who was Barack's stepfather. His father Barack was already out of the picture at that point.
I was, indeed, referring to the step-father. This takes us back to the whole alias/nickname thing-- it's easy to see a connection between "Barak" and "Barry" (the latter could arguably be a nickname for the former), but the part that makes it qualify as an alias is the idea that young Barak may have used his stepfather's surname, however briefly. It is not uncommon for stepfathers to legally adopt children of their new wives, providing permission is granted by the birth-father (at least, that's how I unde
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Based on the documents we have on hand, either Obama's stepfather was willing to commit something tantamount to perjury in filling out paperwork for Barak's education,
Do you know of a form other than the one for his school that has made its way around the internet? Because that one form only has one field that is filled it "Indonesian". And being as we don't know exactly what the true context of that one field was, it is very difficult to call this "perjury".
or young Barak, through actions of his legal guardians (ie his mother and step father) became an Indonesian citizen.
My understanding is that few countries really assign citizenship to children. The concept of citizenship is usually reserved for those who are considered "mature" by that countries standards - and I doubt that t
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Children generally cannot denounce their citizenship. Obama was born in Hawaii, that has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt
Find another source besides factcheck.org to support your "facts". Perhaps you've missed the bit where I mentioned the importance of having more than one source to corroborate a "fact"?
I suspect the document you are referring to is his school registration document from Indonesia.
Considering that's been pointed out by myself and Pudge several times, I'd say that's a pretty good suspicion.
However, unless you speak Indonesian, it is hard to know exactly the context of all the fields in that form
You're kidding, right? Are you telling me that it's completely impossible to find someone that is willing and/or able to translate or explain this to your satisfaction? This isn't the Stone Age, you know...
For example, when asked nationality on that form, was the question regarding the person's place of birth or place of residence?
Neither
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Do you know of a form other than the one for his school that has made its way around the internet? Because that one form only has one field that is filled it "Indonesian". And being as we don't know exactly what the true context of that one field was, it is very difficult to call this "perjury".
No, I don't. I haven't been looking for them, either. It doesn't help that Obama hasn't been willing to divulge any information that would help his case. My guess is that he hasn't because there's nothing there that could help.
The whole bit about his religion being "Islam" is, to me at least, a red herring. That, in and of itself, doesn't matter. There's nothing in the Constitution that says that one must be a particular religion, and if the First Amendment has any weight, the Constitution never will.
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It doesn't help that Obama hasn't been willing to divulge any information that would help his case
What other information do you want divulged? His campaign already gave original state copies of his birth certificate to an independent source who reviewed them and found them genuine. His birth in Hawaii also coincides to a birth announcement from his family for the same date (which was found by an opposing group).
and the "take from the rich/give to the poor" rhetoric was what Obama had to say.
You can only come to that conclusion if you take Obama's statement out of context. His comment was along the lines of
if the wealth is spread around
He never said anything about who was going to spread the wealth around
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It is correct to state that children probably cannot lose their natural-born US citizenship due to the actions of their parents, and certainly do not lose that status automatically upon naturalization to another country. Please see my comments in Timex's follow-up journal [slashdot.org] on this subject, wherein I link to some authori
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What other information do you want divulged? His campaign already gave original state copies of his birth certificate to an independent source who reviewed them and found them genuine. His birth in Hawaii also coincides to a birth announcement from his family for the same date (which was found by an opposing group).
I don't think it really matters where Obama was born, even though I don't necessarily believe that the Certificate of Live Birth (not to be confused with a birth certificate, from what I understand about them) is genuine.
What complicates this whole issue is that there is every possibility that Lolo Soetoro, Obama's step father from Indonesia, could have adopted him and had his nationality (that is, his citizenship) changed to Indonesian. If that is so, then Obama's bid for the presidency is shot clean-thro
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If Congress were to send up a bill that treated health care as a "right" without proper Constitutional support...
May have been covered elsewhere, but I got yer support right here :-)
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States...
I kinda think that a healthy, educated populace contributes much to the general welfare of the country.
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You accept it because it was posted on someone's blog? Are you saying you accept blog postings without "reason to doubt its authenticity"?
Why not? Newspapers do the same thing all the time-- Most of them get their non-local stories from the newswire, but what evidence do we have that what goes out on the newswire has been corroborated? The end result is hundreds or thousands of newspapers across the country carrying the same story, and we're expected to take it as the gospel truth!
Feel free to introduce something from a reputable source here, rather than just someone's blog.
This is Slashdot, where Wikipedia is quoted regularly. (See, Wikipedia isn't exactly known for being completely accurate all the time...)
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