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Comment Re:Basic income (Score 1) 533

The problem with UBI is if we replace food stamps and medicaid with UBI and the people just blow it on drugs and are then starving on the streets and filling up emergency rooms what do you do?

I'm fine if they starve on a UBI. They can visit the local church soup kitchen.

Medical care is a different story. No one has said that a UBI is meant to handle health care.

Comment Re:I don't even like Uber but (Score 1) 533

Nobody who works full time should live in poverty. Period.

NOBODY IS FORCING THEM TO DO ANYTHING. Get it through your head.

Oh really? Nobody is forced by circumstances to take any work out of desperation? I hope the world's a bit more understanding when you get laid off and have to dismount from your high horse.

Comment Re:I don't even like Uber but (Score 1) 533

So go work elsewhere with better conditions? I mean you guys act like someone is forcing them to do this. There are lots of jobs for people who want to work. Go find one that treats you like a human being.

Fine. Bring back slavery then. If employers are under no obligation to pay a living wage, why insist on them paying anything?

Comment Re:I don't even like Uber but (Score 3, Insightful) 533

It IS a company's job to pay a living wage to its workers. We had this discussion during the civil war. Slavery is now illegal. It's a moral issue. In any case there's also the economic argument that impoverishing the middle class (who drive economic growth through consumption) is a bit of a silly idea.

Comment Re:I don't even like Uber but (Score 1) 533

If you have such a low opinion of your workers that you dismiss them all as making "poor lifestyle choices" then you should not be in business. And no. I did not say that someone starting a business has an automatic right to be successful, but someone starting a business should have enough money on hand to pay for what he uses, be it materials or labor.

Comment Re:I don't even like Uber but (Score 1) 533

I'm sorry, but there are certain jobs in society that really aren't meant for a person to fully support themselves. Even moreso when the person is trying to support themselves and their family. Delivering the local newspaper was great job when I was 12 and I wanted to buy some hockey cards and music CDs. It's not a job that really requires any skills, and even if you are doing it full time, I couldn't see it being a job that's likely to pay a living wage.

Same with the job I had flipping burgers at McDonald's. I was making minimum wage and even if I was working full time, there's no way that I really deserved to make a living wage in that job. Again, it required very little skill and they didn't really expect much from me other than to show up and make some hamburgers. But that's fine because I was in highschool and just wanted some money for CDs, computer games, and going out to the movies.

Theses were great jobs to get me used to working, and if they weren't allowed to pay me such low wages, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to work at all. Especially in the year 2016. They will just get a robot to do your job if it becomes too expensive for a person to do it.

If you want to make a living wage, be prepared to get some real skills. You don't deserve money for doing nothing, or for doing a job that requires almost no skills.

Sorry but this is complete and utter bullshit.

A paper round, by definition, only takes a limited amount of time in the morning and could never become full time, so your comparison is irrelevant. As for flipping burgers, some people do this work because they need to support a family. If you spend 40 hours per week flipping burgers then you should not need to work a second and third job just to pay your bills because some other people have made a value judgment about how important your job is.

Flipping burgers is no less skilled than a lot of production line jobs in manufacturing industry, and in the days when the west was a manufacturing economy, workers were paid enough to keep a roof over their heads and raise a family.

Christ. Even in the days of domestic service, rich people ensured that their butlers, maids, and other personal servants had food to eat and a roof over their heads.

I say again that too many people have been conditioned into thinking that it's acceptable to pay starvation wages to the hardest working people in society, and conditioned into demonizing those at the bottom end of the pay scale. If that's not class warfare then I don't know what is.

Comment Re:I don't even like Uber but (Score 1, Insightful) 533

"I left my job thinking this would work, and it's getting harder and harder," Howard said. "They have to understand that some of us have decided to make this a full-time career." Howard

Yeah, fuck you. The world doesn't owe you anything and even Uber's own ad campaigns bend over backwards to emphasize that this is supposed to be a side gig to make some extra money.

No, fuck you. It doesn't matter if Uber insist that it's supposed to be a side gig. If they're willing to let people work full time then they should be willing to pay full time wages. If someone's working 40 hours per week then they shouldn't be sleeping in their car out of exhaustion because they're struggling to pay their bills. Nobody who works full time should live in poverty. Period.

I can't believe that so many people have been conditioned into thinking that poverty is something that's okay to inflict on people for making a non-glamorous career choice. If a business can't afford to pay its workers enough to get by on, it shouldn't be in business.

Comment Re:Self-fulfilling Prophecy (Score 1) 311

How were you middle class without any savings?

Outside of the "upper middle class", middle class Americans on average have minimal liquid savings -- they might have an IRA and some home equity, but almost no "savings".

If you look at how student aid is calculated, the formula expects a 4-year degree program student to spend nearly all student assets on tuition -- Student assets disclosed on FAFSA reduce eligibility for need-based aid by 20 percent of the net worth of the asset, each year. Any savings a student has, and 5.64% of the parent's non-IRA savings, is counted towards the "Expected Family Contribution" (EFC) each year.

I had savings when I first enrolled in college. To pay my first year's EFC, I wiped out my savings account and drew my checking account down to the minimum "no fee" balance.

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