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This will surprise some of you, but for others it may confirm some suspicions as to my political identity. I don't hold Marx, despite my user handle, as a political influence; he was merely an economic influence. My big political influences are a true Republican Conservative from Oregon who would never be elected in today's political correctness atmosphere and a Democratic populist from Louisianna who was shot for suggesting that the working man deserved a share of this country's wealth also. Two radical people at opposite ends of the political spectrum, but both shared concern for the common man and a willingness to sacrifice profit in return for something better.
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  • So you admire two guys who lived fairly decent lives while giving a lot of lip service to ideas which they never managed to successfully champion. Both sound like they were created by larger men who needed a good PR campaign to draw attention away from the financial shell game going on between Wall Street, the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government.
    • While you could say this for Heuy Long (after all, he was killed to keep him from accomplishing his populist goals), Tom McCall's land use planning laws are still enforced on anybody who bought their land after 1973, and can be enforced through legal condemnation and the use of laws of eminent domain on those who bought their land earlier. Measure 37 has messed it up somewhat, but very little development has resulted because nobody's quite sure what Measure 37 requires yet.

      Both sound like they were creat

      • Tom McCall's land use planning laws are still enforced

        Can you show that the majority of applications benefit the common good greater than they benefit the ulterior motives of a group of politicians, real estate brokers, or lobbyists? They may as well be the DMCA.

        Huey Long was fighting against that shell game

        Even if he didn't know it he still served the same purpose as a shill. If you're feeling generous you can acquiesce that he was a larger scale shill in that he played a role in a game which spans generations rather than hours.

        Tom McCall was in an area of the country largely untouched by it

        If they're using currency controlled by a monopoly there's still a shell

        • Can you show that the majority of applications benefit the common good greater than they benefit the ulterior motives of a group of politicians, real estate brokers, or lobbyists? They may as well be the DMCA.

          Actually, those laws work directly against the real estate brokers and the development industry- by limiting the land available for cities and protecting land for exclusive farm & forest useage (more than 75% of the land area of Oregon will NEVER be developed due to those laws). But just compare

          • those laws work directly against the real estate brokers and the development industry

            That's what you keep asserting but there's nothing to support it.

            it's obvious the difference those laws have made

            The only obvious thing I see is a continued polarization of wealth distribution.

            Heuy Long directly and publically opposed

            A shill's place in a dog'n'pony show.

            For which he was shot and killed at age 43

            Conjecture according to the wikipedia page. The fact is that he was shot and killed. The "why" is no more certainly known than JFK.

            didn't get the currency handout from that monopoly

            This doesn't show that they received nothing. There were other benefits which I'm sure you're well aware of.

            Can't play the game if you can't get permission to build on a piece of property

            This fails twice. First, you haven't shown that a priveleged few haven't been usi

            • That's what you keep asserting but there's nothing to support it.

              Except for a $1.6 billion dollar agricultural industry in the Willamette Valley that wouldn't exist otherwise- long ago Salem, Eugene, and Portland would have expanded to wipe it out.

              The only obvious thing I see is a continued polarization of wealth distribution.

              Wealth is not the only measurement of standard of living.

              A shill's place in a dog'n'pony show.

              Incorrect- shills SUPPORT the status quo rather than opposing it.

              Conjecture ac

              • Except for a $1.6 billion dollar agricultural industry in the Willamette Valley that wouldn't exist otherwise

                The agricultural industry produces an enormous profit for the same people that you claimed the laws work against.

                Wealth is not the only measurement of standard of living

                What obvious difference have the laws made?

                shills SUPPORT the status quo rather than opposing it

                Shills are on both sides.

                So what is your theory for why he was killed?

                I don't have one. He was a shill. Now he's dead.

                I've read a lot more than just that wikipedia page on the topic

                Essjay had a Master's in Theology.

                The $1.6 billion agrictultural industry, sitting on land that could hold housing for 11 million people otherwise, says differently

                The $1.6 billion agricultural industry produces an enormous profit for the real estate brokers and the development industry--the very same people you claimed the law works against.

                you're too afraid of the facts getting in the way of your worldview

                How am I "afraid" of any facts? Am I shaking? Am I trembli

                • The $1.6 billion agricultural industry produces an enormous profit for the real estate brokers and the development industry--the very same people you claimed the law works against.

                  And yet you offer no proof, no supporting evidence.

                  You have no prayer in showing that there were no loopholes in this law. News stories from that time probably included plenty of mud-slinging about who was abusing the loopholes

                  Again, you provide no evidence.

                  I assign a -6 to my foes, so that when I read slashdot their pos

                  • And yet you offer no proof, no supporting evidence

                    You can't keep $1.6 billion in a coffee can in the backyard. Who owns the title for those parcels of land?

                    you provide no evidence

                    Inherent to the nature of politics.

                    as I'm getting tired of this stupid cross journal flamewar you and MH42

                    Only one person in these exchanges routinely makes use of ass blister tactics. I forgive him every time.

                    Here, _this_ is a flame: I've noticed the homo geiboi faggots licking each other's wounds in an MH42 journal circle jerk around the simpleton--and it provides a sick kind of amusement for me such that I almost feel guilty about laughing at the pathetic displays

                    • Here, _this_ is a flame: [snip]

                      Thanks for providing additional justification for me to add you to my foes list, as I have no desire to read posts such as that.

                      I rarely agree politically with MH42, and he rarely agrees with me. However, we're able to discuss our differences and debate them like adults, something you are apparently incapable of doing.



                      As far as your insults... they don't bother me. After all, when I get off work today I'll go home to a hot dinner and a hotter wife.

                    • we're able to discuss our differences and debate them like s

                      I've also been puzzled at how MH42 can carry on a perfectly normal conversation with nearly anyone else but, when replying to me, he has an inexhaustible urge to resort to baiting [slashdot.org].

                      But, feel free to blame me, I can take it.

                      when I get off work today I'll go home to a hot dinner and a hotter wife

                      You fail to make me jealous. When I become unhomeless I'll have a nicer job, a larger home, a more exquisite dinner, and a hotter wife. With any luck I'll be in a position to fire your ass, have you blacklisted from your industry, and live to see you shoveling horse sh*t on some dude-r

                    • When I become unhomeless I'll have a nicer job, a larger home, a more exquisite dinner, and a hotter wife.

                      WOW... just wow. Your little insult was right up there with "my dad can beat up your dad". What are you, Four years old? My three year old nephew can come up with better cracks than that one.

                      With any luck I'll be in a position to fire your ass, have you blacklisted from your industry, and live to see you shoveling horse sh*t on some dude-ranch for homos in Oregon--and not because I actually care b

                    • What are you, Four years old? My three year old nephew can come up with better cracks than that one

                      Did Isaac come up with this one [slashdot.org]: "when I get off work today I'll go home to a hot dinner and a hotter wife"? It did sound a little too intellectual to be yours.

                      get up off your butt and get a job

                      From the shell game [wikipedia.org]

                      Once a player/victim enters the circle of apparent players and faces the operator, the gang surrounds him/her to discourage an easy exit and to keep other pedestrians from entering and disrupting the bunko gang's action on the main player (target).

                      From "Making the distro" [ibm.com] by Robbins:

                      First they'll start unfairly criticizing...about a project and/or the developers working on a project. Then they will refrain from offering any constructive solutions. They will also not be willing to help with the project in any other way

                      You're as trasnparent as thin air--but I have nothing else to do. There is a shortage of gainful opportunities these days.

                    • WOW... just wow. Your little insult was right up there with "my dad can beat up your dad". What are you, Four years old? My three year old nephew can come up with better cracks than that one.

                      I think emotionally homeless is a two year old- in the midst of a philosophical temper tantrum over not getting ice cream when his parents have offered a hamburger and fries.

                      Thank you for pointing out that he was sucking me back in- your replies have given me the strength not to reply. Either that or the lack of abi
                    • Who is Isaac?

                      Oh, right, you think everyone is out to get you, so somehow I must be connected to all your problems.

                      Here's a free clue: I live in Texas, I don't know you or your family, nor do I care.

                    • I must be connected
                      You're one of the homos who's been consoling MH42 in his psychological journal circle jerks where you all get together and whine about me.

                      Here's a free clue
                      I'll call your free clue and raise you ten seconds of laughter.

                      I live in Texas
                      No wonder you began flaming when I mentioned homos.

                    • given me the strength
                      Pity poor MH42.

                      the lack of ability to breathe
                      Stop whining.

                      due to this cold coming on
                      Quit blaming the cold.

                      my hay fever has taken the fight out of me
                      The drama never ends. Do you have the back of your hand over your forehead yet? Maybe Red could bring a wet towellette to soothe your feverish skin?
                    • If there was any doubt about whether or not you are anything other than just another lame troll, you've erased it.

                    • you've erased it
                      You're in Texas.
                    • I don't think this word:

                      blaming

                      means what you think it means.
                    • I have it. def 2 [m-w.com]. You're such a pathetic wuss... but I forgive you.
                    • I don't often make 2nd posts but, since you've foed me, I can't resist the urge to post this here:

                      Q: What do you call a Texan who doesn't shoot his mouth off?

                      A: Heterosexual.
                    • Nope, my refering to slowly getting a virus does not hold the virus responsible for my actions. Therefore, you fail it. Try again.
  • The Wikipedia entry is a little scant, what about McCall's life and career motivated you so much? In particular, you mentioned something about land use laws, which ones and what were their effects?

    As for distribution of wealth, I'm all for people donating to charities (and those charities holding people accountable for their actions in order to get those donations, I don't want to give someone $100 if they're only to buy drugs with it). It's forced distribution of wealth that I'm personally against: sending
    • The Wikipedia entry is a little scant, what about McCall's life and career motivated you so much? In particular, you mentioned something about land use laws, which ones and what were their effects?

      Specifically, I grew up in an area within 6 miles of Salem's Urban Growth Boundary. My parents would probably have been forced to sell the farm for development if it wasn't for that urban growth boundary. But there's lots of other little things, like the Bottle Bill, public beaches, and cleaning up the Willame
      • My parents would probably have been forced to sell the farm for development if it wasn't for that urban growth boundary.

        The only way someone can be forced to sell is by unethical use of imminent domain, or some illegal method. Neither are affected by urban growth laws.

        his famous line "You're welcome to come to visit, but please don't move here".

        Wasn't he born in Massachusetts?

        Read the start of Acts Chapter 5....the Apostles didn't have to- God sent heart attacks to those who were greedy and kept things bac
        • The only way someone can be forced to sell is by unethical use of imminent domain, or some illegal method. Neither are affected by urban growth laws.

          In Oregon, when an urban growth boundary jumps over you, your property is now assessed according to the new zoning. Since land for development is worth nearly $100,000/acre and land for farming is worth only $2000/acre, most farms are indeed forced to sell when an urban growth boundary jumps over them, because they can no longer afford the property taxes.
          • most farms are indeed forced to sell when an urban growth boundary jumps over them, because they can no longer afford the property taxes

            Ah, yes, I forgot about that. I lived in California for a long time and got used to the effects of Prop 13: tax rates are frozen at the purchase price for a property, future increases in value of surrounding land don't impact how much you pay each year. Now that I'm in Texas and about to close on a house, I'll have to remember it's not the same way everywhere.

            The point is,

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