Likewise and that's why we are done.
As if. You never resist. You always have to have the last word and talk endless shit. Gimme a break, dude. You've never been "done" as long as you have someone else's time to waste.
AZ and J+J, the fuck outta here you know what I was saying.
Uhm, no I don't know what you were saying. "Like not at all". It seems like you're saying "Jesus, I wish he wouldn't have brought that up and made me look so stupid... again!" which is understandable, you did just look quite foolish after saying "admit that all the vaccine skepticism since then has been dead wrong". Yeah, no, it hasn't dumbass and those examples are the proof, inconveniently for you.
No, they are in fact not. Like not at all.
"trust me bruh, I know". Nice try.
Buddy have you ever been outside the country?
I've traveled extensively in Europe, Asia, North and South America. I doubt you've been anywhere except a cruise with your step-mom to Mexico when you were 8, but hey, you're "done" with me. I'm sure you won't respond to that cheap potshot or the ashes of your arguments. You're too big for that, lol, you've got red armbands to sew!
How is this either a bad thing, or an example of government censorship?
I've complained about censorship by leftist elites, I didn't limit that to government censorship. Censorship of threats of violence are not the same thing as being allowed to have technical or merit-based debates about science. Science includes immunology. Debates about political policy, fairness, scientific merits, free-speech itself and anything that even touched on CV19 with even slightly skeptical or refusenik vibes were censored heavily by Youtube, Apple, Meta, Google, Twitter, and the list goes on. It certainly wasn't just the government pushing it and the negative impacts weren't just on consumers of government services. The censorship was heavily documented, though. Any search engine will bury you in it.
Private entities don't want their users killed via misinformation.
I doubt that was the reason they censored. Most were under threat or coercion by the government in addition to any internal political bias or authoritarian leanings they had themselves. Private entities in this case were mostly social media (whom the government leaned on). They simply want engagement and they get that mostly by riling people up with politics and other controversy. So, I'm not convinced at all a single one of them cared about the well healthy being of their users. That's like arguing cigarette companies would never act against your health because they'd end up killing you which was, in fact, one of their arguments amusingly.
You're not arguing that the elites are tying to "control" anything
Actually, I'm doing so quite effectively. Elites are those who control the government and the majority of private industry. That's exactly who I've been talking about and building the case against. You know... the very well documented and easy to present with lots of facts and figures because it happened so much..... yeah, that case: the one for a coordinated censorship during covid.
you're arguing the large powerful amplifiers of user generated content should be completely irresponsible and knowingly host content that could kill people.
I'm arguing for vigorous debate. I'm arguing for freedom of speech. "You're arguing" as a censorship apologist. "You're arguing" to censor and shut down skeptical discourse in favor of quivering nanny-state cooperation with corporate fascism and fearful authoritarianism. Didn't much care for your attempt to put words in my mouth so how do those words taste in yours?
LOL. Their economy is utterly dependent on selling oil. Which they can no longer sell
That's true at the moment. The US (my home country) blockade appears to be effective enough to shut down their oil trade. However, my question (aside from why violate a campaign pledge not to start new wars) is how long can we keep this up? It's a naval blockade and our Navy is expensive to maintain at this extended range. However, I don't rightly know. Perhaps keeping Navy ships on a mission to blockade Iran isn't much more expensive than cruising the coastline. After all, they are spending fuel and feeding/paying sailors in both cases and the US has the worlds largest military budget.
I'm skeptical of the Iran war. I don't think Iran was a threat before. I think Trump was lied-into-it but still should have known better and kept his campaign promise to stay out of dumb wars. He still keeps us involved in Ukraine and Gaza, too. I'm against any of it. Stopping foreign wars and military misadventure was what he ran on but that's been discarded utterly. The whole "eventually one will make a deal" might be true in theory but I doubt Trump wants this to last until the Midterm elections. So, when you consider the political risks he's taking, I think he will TACO and bail, possibly coming back "PSYCH! I'm back" after the elections. So, that's how Iran may actually "outlast" Trump.
I'm not going to cry for any dead Muslim Ayatollahs, presidents, supreme leaders, or any other politicians except for a handful that nobody listens to in my own country like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Thomas Massie.
Easy, can you admit that all the vaccine skepticism since then has been dead wrong and none of it came to pass as true?
No, because that would be false. For one, very early on, we saw multiple vaccines removed from the market for safety reasons. The AstraZeneca vaccine was subject to multiple suspicious reports of injuiry and was withdrawn worldwide starting May 2024. They admitted in court it can cause rare but serious thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, blood clots + low platelets. Then there is the J&J vaccine with it's EUA voluntarily withdrawn and no longer available in the US as of June 2023. Note both happened well after 2021, confirming vaccine skeptics were justified for being skeptical. I personally know someone in
There was no mass death, there was no mass side effects, there are no "vaccine passports".
You're moving goalposts here, but I'll play. It appears that mass-death and mass-side effects claims were, in fact, overstated by conspiracy minded folks and have weak or non-existent evidence. Of course, the claims of mass-death by CV19 are also hotly disputed and many statistics from the era seemed to be suspect (ie... flu deaths that disappeared during CV19). I don't personally agree with claims that "the vaccines" caused "mass death" or "mass side effects". I do think there are some well established cases of side effects, but they were too uncommon to be called "mass". The TTS effects of AZ and J&J were well documented but again, they were withdrawn.
As far as Vaccine Passports, the EU Digital COVID Certificate framework expired in 2023 (well after 2021). The US (unfortunately) still requires proof of vaccination for foreign visitors. Now, I don't call that a "vaccine passport" and as far as I know vaccination and medical info isn't tied to any official passport, nor is there some kind of required medical-info-passport-work-a-like. So, despite you trying lamely to change the subject away from censorship (where you've already been creamed) I'd say the "no mass death" thesis has some credibility.
If you can admit that then we can discuss.
Of course, the problem with your counter argument is that you completely ignored both the spirit and the content of my previous post. It's all just distraction and moving goalposts away from what I was clearly saying: CV19 increased censorship and negatively impacted the personal rights of body autonomy and freedom of movement.
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