Netanyahu isn't the only one

The GP was quoting him specifically.

Especially today where we are seeing baseless claims of anti-Semitism when people, including people of Jewish ancestry and of the Jewish faith, are protesting against the actions of Zionists. It seems to me that clarity is very much required.

Why is clarity required? That has no effect on the baselessness or otherwise of claims of antisemitism.

Why do you need to distinguish between an ethnic Jew and an ethnic Jew who worships?

And what precisely do you mean by Zionists? It's term encompassing a spectrum with a huge disparity in meanings and doesn't even exclusively cover Jews.

So again what relevance does it have whether I go to shul?

I'm not sure I see your point about the nature of Jewishness.

The kind of people who are bigoted against Jews don't bother to check if you're atheist or not. Why is it anyone's business whether I go to shul or not. I'm Jewish either way.

Especially today where we are seeing baseless claims of anti-Semitism when people, including people of Jewish ancestry and of the Jewish faith, are protesting against the actions of Zionists.

We're also seeing an awful lot of cases where people are using it as an excuse to tip over into antisemitism.

For example:

https://www.theguardian.com/ne...

If the government were serious, they would have a board of independent experts. The big players will use this to restrict competition and erect barriers to entry.

Tell me you didn't read what I read without saying you didn't read it.

Hate speech can be legal, that doesn't make it not hate speech.

Well, there is that I suppose, but to me it just seems like it is making it harder for people who are ethnically/culturally Jewish to separate that identity from the Jewish religion.

I'm going to quote Jay Rayner to you: "Understand that I am both Jewish and eat pork because there is no God and you understand a few very basic things about me."

There is not much separation between the two. If you know I don't worship the only permitted god, that tells you something about my Saturday morning habits (perhaps) and diet (perhaps), depending on how frum I am.

Why would I care to distinguish more? It's only going to be of interest to someone I'm having a very in depth conversation with or someone with an axe to grind.

The other issue is that we end up protecting religious beliefs that should not be protected, sometimes at the expense of other people's rights.

People's rights are always a tradeoff. Some people want to right to discriminate and oppress others, others want the opposite. There has been a long and storied history of using religion as an excuse for discrimination too, much more so than the opposite.

And let's not forget, Hamas don't actually give a crap about the Palestinian people either. They want to wipe Israel off the map (and the Jews in general) and rule the ashes. They wouldn't let Palestinian civilians shelter in their tunnels.

Oh, *I* know that, but every article that references "hate speech" in an article gives the term/concept a tiny bit more "legitimacy." I want to combat that any time I see it.

This is just dumb. Hate speech and free speech are two different things. The former may or may not be criminalized but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It is not that bizarre. Religion, culture and race are strongly intermingled, and often inseparable. For example, Jews tend to be subject to antisemitism whether or not they attend shul and are in fact atheist.

All protests, anywhere, are now labeled antisemitic.

Oh do fuck off.

There's an old Jewish saying as it happens: a half truth is a whole lie. You're making it sound like this is a generality and "they" whoever they are are labelling them as antisemitic.

Except you're quoting Netanuahu, the right wing nutcase currently PM in Israel who's desparate to keep the distractions going to avoid going to prison over corruption charges. And he's not exactly unbiased.

But then of course after hearing strenuously how it's just about Israel and not about the Jews at all we find that we are not in fact safe around the marches in Londoner, and all that's required to "antagonize" is to be too Jewish too near the march.

Disabling cookies is only part of it. You can still be tracked without them saving data on your computer. Also, there are still supercookies.

Although now you're talking about BLM... no idea how that came into this.

He's off on a tangent about BLM and also, don't forget, telling you do do your own research (aka primary sources).

We're a short hop from Hunter Biden's laptop or pizza.

Also email and gsuite. Those don't seem to be going anywhere, but given gsuite is a suite, they kill off parts of it with no real replacement making the whole thing less useful.

Also the cloud computing stuff isn't new in the last 10 years, it's 16 years old now.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I also did EE a few decades ago, and the modern tech is astounding. Not too far from individual atoms playing significant roles.

Good luck seeing any kind of unilateral application of that idea. The reality is that it will be used as a cudgel to attack those with whom the group in charge disagrees with.

For example, if I were to call you a moron, no one would even bat an eye even though I've disparaged the unintelligent. The term was specifically used to refer to people who today would be considered to suffer from mild mental retardation. That's certainly a class of people.

I'm also curious if you'd accuse a black person calling another black person an epithet referred to as the "n-word" of committing a hate crime. I'd like to see someone suggest this if only because it'd be funny to watch them get their ass beat for being such a moron.

I personally don't like the New York Yankees or fans of the team. Are they a class of people? Personally I think they're all subhuman garbage barely above the level of Dallas Cowboy fans. Calling either of them a moron would be an insulting to actual morons.

Never mind that trying to ban certain words is foolhardy. The universe will simply invent new slurs. What good is changing the words used when the human hearts are still the same?