SGI Introduces New 1400L Linux Server 117
Durinia writes "Here is the official press release from SGI about their new Linux server. It also looks like they've struck a deal with Red Hat.
" SGI continues its support (and perhaps its last hope) with Linux-do you folks think this will be enough to restore them?
Re:Living with Linux and SGIs? (Score:2)
SGIs have been the best machines to get the job done for at least the last 12 years, they were fast, easy to program, reasonably well engineered boxes that came from a company committed to graphics.
Still, I expect to be running on Linux very soon on all of our machines. I'm sure that the previous author will acknowledge that machines don't live very long in the FX business, any more than they do anywhere else. The particular boxes that I have will become uncompetitive in a year or so, and we'll need to buy something else.
Those will certainly be Linux boxes. If they could be SGI Linux boxes, that'd be great. But to assume that you will be running IRIX in the future is optimistic, if not foolhardy. Diversifying into another (somewhat more common) operating system is prudent.
The biggest reason that people aren't going to want to move away from IRIX is, of course, the proprietary animation software that they have for those old boxes. One would hope that these tools will be ported to Linux in the not-to-distant future; I'm sure that we'll hear more about that at Siggraph next week. All of the big software companies that I've talked to at least claim to be porting.
I've found that porting an SGI OpenGL application to Linux to be almost trivial. Sadly, I've written a bunch of IRIS GL programs, too, and they are much more of a challenge. But, I should be done soon, and we'll be ready for whatever happens.
[I'm giving away Linux version of some of our most popular programs, at least for the next year. Check them out at http://www.hammerhead.com/linux/linux.html ]
Red Hat with (SGI Linux Environment) (Score:1)
Re:restoring.. (Score:1)
Sad, but true.
Re:Living with Linux and SGIs? (Score:1)
There are R12K upgrades for existing Octanes and Origins.
Sadly, not for my poor Indigo2s.
-Jeff
Re:mixed feelings (Score:1)
Irix will go under. I think nobody will seriously doubt that, and it seems like even in their niche they are loosing market share. So they only have the choice between WindowsNT and Linux. And the Linux is not only less crowded market, but also much closer to Irix, so they can port their software easier.
Re:sun bidding farewell (Score:1)
Re:sun bidding farewell (Score:1)
Re: AGREED!!! This is a smart move for SGI (Score:1)
They are *nothing* like the Dell-does, just slapping Linux on a box without any donating anything to the fundamental Linux infrastructure.
SGI is supporting (largely) SAMBA, will be donating a journled filesystem, and probably lots of cool 3D stuff.
Mij
Re:2 Steps forward, one step back. (Score:1)
Of course it seems SGI can't make up it's mind
for any great period of time anymore, perhaps
they'll change the logo back, in another back
pedaling attempt to appear in control.
Servers, Graphics, Insight! heh!
no better than a compaq (Score:1)
eg, 800MB/s memory bandwidth - what happened to the fancy chipset?? Out of band management port: sounds like Compaq's Insight Management board to me. Hot swap everything: whoopie doo - everybody else has that aswell.
$8000 for a 'nothing special' single CPU and measly memory intel server??
Uhmm... I think i'll buy a Proliant or a Poweredge instead. Same specs except those guys have been in the IA32 server market for years and years, and a lot more breadth and experience in global support. And the prices are more reasonable aswell. No premium for the SGI name. (which isn't worth much now that the nice logo is gone).
SGI workstations are really nice though... but you still can't
SGI and You (Score:1)
SGI Linux 1.0 free for download (Score:1)
They are shipping a modified version of RedHat
6.0 with fixes for nfs, nfs, tcp/ip and samba
performance. You can grab the entire distribution
they are shipping here:
ftp://oss.sgi.com/www/projects/linuxsgi/downloa
And this page has info on the status of all their
patches that they are trying to get into the
mainstream kernel.
ftp://oss.sgi.com/www/projects/linuxsgi/downloa
For more info on their opensource projects in general see here:
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/
SGI deserves to be applauded by the linux community, they have dedicated a serious amount of dollars and engineers to improving several of the major weakpoints in linux and they are giving everything back to the community.
Re:Okay, what's the deal? (Score:1)
All of SGI's changes have been submitted
on the kernal dev lists and many of them have been
incorparated into the 2.3.x dev kernels. Others are still being looked at.
See ftp://oss.sgi.com/www/projects/linuxsgi/download/
for details and to grab the source to all thier patches.
You can grab the whole SGI linux distro as well:
ftp://oss.sgi.com/www/projects/linuxsgi/downloa
Re:Golly, does it run NT, too??? (Score:1)
Re:You misread it because English 1.0 is buggy. (Score:1)
;-)
The real scoop (Score:5)
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., Aug. 2
"The SGI 1400L server running SGI Linux Environment allows us to use the words 'paradigm', 'synergy', 'open source', 'high availability', 'data warehousing', 'win-win', 'proactive', 'scalable', 'total cost of ownership' and 'reliability' in the same sales brochure," said Jan Silverman, vice president of marketing, Computer Systems Business Unit, SGI. "Our marketing division is very happy about this and they hope to add the phrases 'price performance' and 'enterprise computing' before they're finished."
Like almost every other Intel based server in existence, the SGI 1400L ships with one to four 500 MHz Pentium® III Xeon(TM) processors with a selection of 512KB, 1MB or 2MB of secondary cache, up to 4GB of memory, seven PCI slots, six Ultra2 SCSI hot swap drive bays and redundant power supplies. The SGI 1400L is available in rack-mount or even a desktop configuration for those customers with specially reinforced desks.
"e-commerce, internet, web-centric, intranet!" blurted an SGI marketer unable to contain herself, "collaboration, messaging, network video streaming, proxy serving, security serving, scientific analysis, customization, reliability and did I mention e-commerce?"
"With the introduction of this Linux OS -- based server, SGI is also able to address more customer needs such as those of us who are too damn poor to afford proprietary Unixes and non-Intel chips," noted Shoeboy, a researcher investigating the impact of cannabis consumption on his code quality, "got any Fritos?"
SGI is committed to not going bankrupt and collapsing like a house of cards, and industry analysts have noted that this line of Linux servers appears to be their last hope.
NOTE: This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to companies living or in the case of SGI, nearly dead is purely coincidental.
--Shoeboy
Jobs at SGI (Score:2)
Linux Kernel Dev Engineer
Sorry to repeat, forgot the description.
Anyone know any kernel hackers who need a job?
Re:Not THAT commited to Linux (Score:1)
Re:Not THAT commited to Linux (Score:1)
SGI is probably the most visible supporter of Linux yet, compared to say, Dell IBM and others.
They're moving in directions that hear customers asking for - first with NT boxes to combat the flood of animator moving away from their platform to Wintel. Then they tweak the boxes and/or Linux to and sell that to people desiring Linux systems.
Sun seems to be the only company that bids a customer farewell when they switch platforms.
Problem with forgoing NT and moving straight to Linux is that the apps aren't all there yet. It'd be suicide for them to drop NT and move into Linux... at least NT had professional 3d apps available when they moved there... By showing support for Linux, hopefully that'll mean that companies like Barco (do they still exist?), Alias etc... will see that there's sufficient demand to deliver ports of their products to the SGI Linux platform. I doubt that they'll do a full on "Linux" port however... Software for SGI's have for years been serialized so as to only run on one machine. I'm certain SGI provides unique hardware keys in their new machines. . . Oops! Did I just ramble?
It's not IRIX that killed SGI, nor is it Linux... (Score:2)
No, it's CMIX. Most of you probably haven't heard of CMIX. It's a simple language for the processing and production of sound. It was written by a guy named Paul Lansky way back in the day, and the place where CMIX got its first real break was under the NeXTSTEP OS.
And we all know what happened to NeXTSTEP. It died. It died hard, to the point that just about the only people still using NeXTs were CMIX hackers.
So what happened then? A guy named Brad Garton (a former student of Paul Lansky; now currently a professor at the Columbia Computer Music Center) decided to port the entire CMIX source to another technically promising fledgling OS called IRIX.
And we all know what's happening to IRIX. It's on the way out. No one can use it for anything (partially because IRIX and network security are mutually exclusive terms).
And what have the CMIX people done now? They've ported CMIX to Linux [columbia.edu], and several other promising operating systems [princeton.edu]! Run! Hide your favorite OS!
For those of you who couldn't tell, this is a joke.
-k
Re:first post (Score:1)
SGI Linux Environment?? (Score:1)
I know SGI is working closely with the OSS community on the MIPS version of Linux, but what is the SGI Linux Environment for an x86 based system?
It said it was Shipping with RedHat 6.0, so does this mean the SGI Linux Environment is nothing more then SGI techs per-installing RH 6.0 for the customer?
Never Heard of it, but then again I have bad hearing.
Re:2 Steps Towards Business Success for SGI (Score:1)
I wonder... does Rob know something we don't?
Re:Linux: The Supercomputer OS (Score:1)
But I don't see Linux running on Cray's anytime soon personally. Too much specialized hardware, and don't you need _something_ to call your own?
Isn't Red Hat under their Quiet Period? (Score:1)
Re:It's not IRIX that killed SGI, nor is it Linux. (Score:1)
actually CMIX is a set of c library routines..not a full fledged language.
Re:XFS (Score:1)
module with XFS support in "late summer"
according to their webpage here:
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/
Whether or not it makes it into 2.4 is up to the community.
Hmmmm (Score:1)
Re:2 Steps forward, one step back. (Score:1)
>Take a look. This is yet one step of a long, >thoughtfully laid out path.
Now that's silly, of course you think it's
going to look good. Publicly disclosed
business plans are PR, sale, and marketing.
wahoo! (Score:1)
Personally I'm excited about this. I've got a bunch of Linux boxes doing production stuff at work - and I hate the fact that it has to running on crappy compaq junk with lackluster support from them. SGI hardware is something that I can convince the powers that be is a good thing.
SGI needs this (Score:1)
It's nice to see this happen though, another nice boost for Linux and I'd love to see some badass servers and maybe a little extra GPL'd code from SGI's ppl (please, please please)
I hope so. (Score:1)
Going back to that IPO thing... (Score:1)
Hopefully... (Score:2)
mixed feelings (Score:2)
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If you need to point-and-click to administer a machine,
Re:Golly, does it run NT, too??? (Score:1)
Living with Linux and SGIs? (Score:1)
As for the "What can SGI add" question. Hello! I've worked in several CGI (that's ``Computer-Generated Images'') houses and they all have used SGI hardware almost exclusively. That's where high-end graphics and animation get done. And considering that, in the past, it hasn't been low prices or excellent support that have drawn customers to SGI (because neither prices nor support has been exemplary), you better believe that there are other reasons for the investments.
XFS (Score:1)
scary (Score:1)
Somebody wanna start a petition to get the old
Logo back, let me know. npkilla@tpc.seahat.com
2 Steps Towards Business Success for SGI (Score:2)
Step 2. Bring the "Cube" Logo back! (Please, pleeeaaase, pretty please).
Re:XFS (Score:1)
Issue #21 and later.
Journalled File systems are probably going to make it into Linux 2.4, but it may not necessarily be XFS. Stephen C. Tweedie's been whipping up something (ext3?) that is arguably better, as it's likely going to end up lighter weight. On a related note, reiserfs will definitely be in 2.4, as it works fine with 2.3.
Linux SMP = SGI services opportunity (Score:2)
Linux is branching out to serious SMP boxes. SGI makes serious SMP boxes. If on top of that, SGI is actually contributing code to make Linux run better on SMP boxes, and use xfs filesystems (journaling filesystems are absolutely essential in a big data center setting), then SGI is going to have a very impressive calling card when it comes time to architect, build and document large Linux boxes. PHB: "do you guys know much about this stuff on multiprocessor servers?" SGI: "our engineers wrote a lot of the code for that, actually." PHB: "whoa. Can you guys start here tomorrow?"
"Inherantly stable and secure..." (Score:2)
Consider what the default no-brainer installs of Debian and Red Hat do, and security is clearly not inherant.
This is a smart move for SGI (Score:2)
IMHO, SGI deserves to be roundly applauded for this move, which is a win-win for them and for Linux in general. They also deserve some respect from us for contributing back some of their higher-end Irix technologies.
They are going to sell boatloads of Linux servers, technical and 3D/video workstations, and those dope flat monitors. Great for SGI.
As a means toward that end, they are going to be putting a lot of work into improving Linux, including lots of fs/networking/smp kernel enhancements, better OpenGL support, and I am willing to bet some UI improvements also. Great for us.
They are a strong company with very strong technology, and a lot of very pro-Linux people working there. Let's encourage them instead of discouraging them.
Re:Going back to that IPO thing... (Score:1)
Re:Hopefully... (Score:3)
SGI didn't do this. Sun didn't do this. IBM, SCO and Intel didn't do it. Microsoft certainly didn't do this (though they may have provided some impetus :).
It was designed by Linus and implemented primarily by Mingo (now apparently working for Red Hat).
It's nice that we'll see some cool (and pretty) SGI boxes running Linux, but we don't need them to address out deficiencies for us.
If I were a real kernel hacker (as opposed to just playing with it a bit), I would find the inference that Linux needs "real" Unix companies to address its deficiencies for it rather insulting.
If they were really committed, they'd do some of the more boring work for us, or the stuff which needs big bucks to get involved. They could work on getting us C2 rated, or address some of Linux's POSIX non-conformancies. Or they could have done some decent benchmarking before Microsoft beat us to it.
To be fair to SGI, they do seem to have a few developers doing real and useful work, and I'm glad of that, but I don't see why they should get all the fun jobs, and get paid for it :-)
Matthew.
Okay, what's the deal? (Score:3)
I find myself wondering if I spoke too soon.
Has anyone seen anything on the Kernel development lists about these NFS patches or the new TCP/IP stack? Or are they keeping them closed-source?
God knows a TCP/IP stack that doesn't get bogged down on multiproc servers would be nice.
Anyone got any details?
Re:mixed feelings (Score:1)
I sure hope they survive... (Score:1)
Re:XFS (Score:1)
Re:2 Steps forward, one step back. (Score:1)
>for any great period of time anymore,
Perhaps you have not read their business plan?
Take a look. This is yet one step of a long, thoughtfully laid out path.
The information is there if you choose not to remain ignorant..
SGI and intel (Score:1)
Could have made two stuggling companies into
one bigger healthier one.
I also wish AMD had gotten the DEC alpha
instead of compaq first.
Re:Jobs at SGI (Score:1)
Jim
Re:Linux: The Supercomputer OS (Score:1)
You guys have a LOT to learn about big machines if you think Linux will ever run on a 2048 processor box that's used for what the Cray is used for. Sheesh:(
Re:This is a smart move for SGI (Score:1)
Not to mention that if SGI went away tomorrow, they'd leave a BIG vacuum that no one else would be able to fill. They won't be going away anytime soon, and anything they contribute will be worth tenfold what will come out of the Linux community for free... That's because IRIX was developed with a combination of both a "get it right" and "brute force" approach that is the attitude necessary to develop a cutting edge OS that works. Linux developers don't have the time or resources to do that.. At least not until now.
I'm looking forward to seeing where it will go from here! Surely, the sky is now the limit!
Last Hope? (Score:1)
SGI will be here for a long time, and not because of Linux, because of the fact they are a great company.
TCP/IP Stack (Score:1)
Re:woo. (Score:1)
The Intel case has an SCA hot-swap backplane for six or seven drives *without* the need for expensive caddys.
The Intel case also has rack-mount brackets.
My local reseller has one of these cases with a quad-Xeon board in it. Gets me drooling every time.
Try reading next time (Score:1)
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"Who pill da cubby custar?"
SGI patches ? (Score:1)
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Not THAT commited to Linux (Score:1)
They not switching to Linux only....
Too bad!
Re:Trademarking of Linux? (Score:2)
Back in 1996, there was this big Linux trademark dispute, apparently someone who had nothing to do with Linux registered Linux as a trademark, and threatened to start charging people for using it.
The Linux community got together and were able to prove first use, and I think the trademark now belongs to Linus.
They already have contributed (Score:2)
Re:I sure hope they survive... (Score:1)
http://www.linux.sgi.com/
?
maya (Score:1)
at least the renderer to start, then the full app...
Don't expect them now (Score:1)
geach
Re:"Inherantly stable and secure..." (Score:1)
Re:mixed feelings (Score:2)
There are other, less obvious benefits to the 1400 as well. Unlike most PC cases on the market, the 1400 was designed with airflow in mind, and can easily handle the heat of 4 Xenons, 6 SCSI HD, 7 PCI cards and even the lowly ISA card without a problem. Surprisingly these machines are quite quiet, due to a thick layer of insulation on the inside of the case.
Finally, the case is designed to be rack-mounted, although it is a little on the long side.
Re:Not THAT commited to Linux (Score:1)
checks the MAC-adress of your ethernet-card
to check the license. MIPS CPU's also got serial
numbers that you can tie into the License
manager.
Re:Hopefully... (Score:2)
Where I can grab SGI's NFS patch??
You misread it because English 1.0 is buggy. (Score:2)
Linux: The Supercomputer OS (Score:1)
SGI ownes CRAY Research. Have you guys seen the specs on their t3e? 2048 Liquid Cooled Alpha CPUs, 2GB of ram for each one [sgi.com]. Drool.
But maybe having a modern OS on these things would slow it down anyways....talk amonst yourselves
Re:2 Steps Towards Business Success for SGI (Score:1)
Damn straight! The "Cube" kicks ass. Much better than the stupid "sgi" logo they have now.
At least Rob hasn't changed the SGI topic icon yet.
They have included a new TCP/IP Stack! (Score:1)
Re:Trademarking of Linux? (Score:1)
Re:XFS (Score:1)