Next consumer Windows to be 98 derivative 119
ZDNET is confirming that an
NT-based consumer Windows is still 3 years down the road.
Given that Windows 98 was widely expected to be the last
release not based on NT, this is somewhat of a surprise,
and raises the question: is Microsoft retargetting Win 2000
purely at the enterprise market in an effort to maintain market
share? Thanks to znu for the link.
hmmm (Score:1)
I sort of expected this... (Score:1)
Delays of Win2000 (Score:1)
One thing this article implied that people seem to be missing is that when Microsoft pulls engineers off Win2000 (NT 5) to work on the next version of Win9x, Win2000 will get delayed even more. Currently all MS OS programmers are working on Win2000, and they still can't get it out.
I'm thinking Win2000 may actually hit in 2001. Either that or Microsoft will push it out in Sept/Oct (like Win95/98) and it will be full of obvious bugs (like Win95/98).
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vaporware vaporizing (Score:1)
maybe something called "nt 5" or "windows 2000" will actually be released some day, but it will be FAR from what has been promised in the previews starting 1996. they're just trying to blur the trail and confuse the customer in order to not make that TOO obvious.
let's hope there's at least a few journalist left who know someone who once met someone who has a clue.
Woe Woe and thrice woe... (Score:1)
Well at least Linux & friends has been handed yet another stepping stone to world domination. The sooner the better.
They will never merge NT and Windoze (Score:1)
Also, they said it would run on a 386 with 8 MB RAM. Don't believe everything you read, eh?
one size DOES fit all (Score:1)
Modern operating systems, heck, even modern versions of very old operating systems (UNIX) have modern kernels which are fast, fairly compact, and tunable to all heck. Most support some sort of modules, so you literally can use the same *compile* of the kernel for two different purposes. Your server kernel can simply load the raid drivers, or gigabit ethernet drivers, and your client kernel can load the sound drivers.
The other silly stuff, the applications -- of course it makes sense to have different distributions with different applications (for server or desktop), if only so that you can install off of one CD.
Why the heck you would want to have a different core operating system (kernel), and a "mostly compatible" API, and "mostly compatible" libraries, I don't know. Oh wait -- yes, I do know -- that glorious god of backwards compatability.
Carry on being stupid, and incapable of writing a decent operating system M$, people will carry on migrating elsewhere.
yep... (Score:1)
time and patience (Score:1)
to that kind of play by our friends in Redmond? "
With riotous laughter!
Rename in order. (Score:1)
Anyway, they better rename Windows 2000 at this point or they're going to look like idiots in 2002 (pretty much like with Win95, in 1996). I'd just go with NT 5... Of course this is all futile, if RedHat gets any easier to install it's going to be a long, hard decade for MS.
What Linux REALLY needs is more game support, as dumb as that sounds, because we have nearly everything else.
Delay Delay Delay.... (Score:1)
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Gates plans to unload $500 million in MS stock (Score:1)
386 is not a home processor! (Score:1)
We all know better than that.
We need an estimate of free-to-paid Linux Ratio (Score:1)
At work OTOH, we bought 1 copy of Caldera and installed it on about 10 machines.
The road to Cairo. (Score:1)
The integration between NT and 95 (Cairo) should have been the latest version of both products though, yes.
I beg to differ. (Score:1)
Oh, this is so good... (Score:1)
Linux will run on Merced the day it ships... (Score:1)
Merced is not a home processor (Score:1)
Basically, Merced is meant to be Intel's first real expedition into high-performance enterprise computing. Whereas the consumer market thinks of Intel as the high end (compared to competitors like AMD and Cyrix), the enterprise market thinks of Intel as the low end and Intel wants to change that.
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Aaron Gaudio
"The fool finds ignorance all around him.
DOS heritage (Score:1)
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Aaron Gaudio
"The fool finds ignorance all around him.
Is it just me?? (Score:1)
Oh well, more time for Linux 2.2.x to take over the world!!!
(Man, do I love that last part!)
Linux/ *nix is focused on modularity. (Score:1)
I thought this quote was particularly interesting.
"I haven't heard anything on this [Windows 2000 Personal Edition] specifically. But you've got to wonder: How much Plug and Play and PCMCIA support can they get into NT? And the games compatibility issue could be huge [between the 9x and NT kernels]," said one Windows developer.
It seems they need to stop and think carefully in Redmond. It is not obvious, to at least the quoted Microsoft developer, and possibly to most Microsofians, that bloat will only burn them. If they limit what is in the NT kernel by default and allow users, or the system (or either) to load drivers as they need them, the drivers NT supports could be infinate, while not being impossiblly complex, huge, or slow.
Microsoft promised the world NT 5.0/Windows 2000 would be the solution. What will all those IT guys who staked the future of their networks on Windows 2000 do? Do you think this means MS is putting up the white flag in the war for control of the network OS? Alot can happen in three years.
Another bug fix (Score:1)
Gnaargh! Gates bungles again! :-( (Score:1)
Who needs a trial? (Score:1)
Next thing you know, they'll be arguing that they don't have a monopoly because NT is competing with 9x!
Quite frankly, this doesn't do much to build confidence in "Windows 2000"...Or, should I say, "Windows 2003"? (Maybe it will be out by then...)
iBCS, a.out, ELF -- It's In There (tm) (Score:1)
Heh, which explains why my Linux box can still run binaries I compiled in 1995 under Linux 1.0 (as long as I have a copy of libc4 installed), or binaries meant for several other x86 *nixes...
So much for backward compatibility. Oh, wait, that _IS_ backward compatibility. What were you saying?
Granted, programs which vulcan-mind-meld themselves to kernel specific APIs aren't typically cross-platform or cross-version compatible. (PPP, modules support, net tools, etc.) But applications typically don't have much of a problem.
"The Emperor's New Clothes" (Score:1)
upon a time, the Windows 2000 developers team faced the
threat that most non-Microsoft applications and virtually all
games does not work on NT aka Windows 2000 new kernel.
The problem is with DirectX, Plug and Play, PCMCIA and..
everything else. What to do? Windows 2000 consists of
server OS, the big fat pricy box that helps sysadmins to
centralize all bugs in the single place and small
client/consumer boxes where bleeding edge users try to run
uncertified applications, all at the same time! So why not to
drop few years of failed development and market old Windows
95 aka 98 box as Windows 2000, Personal Edition? Looks like
the Windows team finally decided to do that. So, Windows
2000 is dead.. Long live Windows 95!
http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/~andrew/awards/19
". . . the plug and play seems to work fine . . ." (Score:1)
hmmm I just got finished installing a USB scanner on a 98 box.... worked like a charm. It better, it's an HP and none too cheap
a breif look Linux and how it relates to star wars (Score:1)
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No No NO it was a 8bit OS dos on the 8086 (Score:1)
but fuck who cares.
a breif look Linux and how it relates to star wars (Score:1)
Staring:
Richard Stallman as Obe Wan
Tux as Luke Skywaker
BSD Deamon as Han Solo
Bill Gates as the Emporer
That Fat idiot bald dude as Darth VadeR ( i cant remember the guys name)
Yasmine Bleath as The princess
Alan Cox as the Wookie
and Raster/Mandrake as 3cpo and R2D2
USE THE SOURCE LUKE!@#
No consumer OS for Merced from Microsoft (Score:1)
The only reason that Merced won't be a consumer chip for a while is that it uses a different (nobody has been able to make work) technology called very-long-instruction-word.
Knowing intel, they will provide an x86 compatibility layer, but for software to run faster, it will have to be recompiled.
Apple is the only company who has successfully migrated a user base to a new processor.
BTW, Intel made quite a bit of money on the PPro so I wouldn't call it a failure.
Consumer Merced ... (Score:1)
NT is written almost entirely in C as well.
Print "Accelerated for Merced" on the box so people will know the difference you commerical software is doing just great thankyou.
They will never merge NT and Windoze (Score:1)
Yes, you can buy an embedded version of NT with a Win32 subsystem (no GUI).
Consumer Merced ... (Score:1)
There's no reason you can't do 64-bit math (VC5 has a data type called __int64).
Ther strategy for making NT 64-bit is:
1) All APIs stay the smae and take 32 bit pointers (default is segment 0)
2) The memory region above 4GB is available for memory mapped files which are mapped through a new API.
This doesn't require a rewrite and is the stratedgy adopted by many UNIX vendors.
CE != NT (Score:1)
The reason the Alpha is still around is that it uses a PCI bus and PCI adapters as opposed to a proprietary bus.
CE is the NT kernel without most of the drivers required for a PC: multiple bus drivers, multiple file systems, midi devices, storage devices
This is NO NEWS... (Score:1)
OK, I'm definately not a MS lover, but this seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill. Microsoft stated quite clearly 2 years ago that the "unified" windows would not be until (what was then) NT 6.0 and would appear about 2002 or 2003. Looks like they're actually about on-schedule to do that.
It's no real surprise that there will be additional "updates" to Win98. Whether they are new OSR versions, or released as Service Packs is no real deal - we should expect MS to continue to try to keep up with the new hardware (and I'd like to hope they keep trying to fix all the damn bugs). So, in general, this is No News. It's just ZD trying to sell a story and sound important.
On another note, people, Intel does NOT expect Merced to be a consumer chip for several Years after it's introduction. That's why they have all those funky P2/P3 derivatives still in the works. Merced is (initially) really targeted at the UNIX/NT Enterprise server market - think of it as an Alpha from Intel. ;-)
I wouldn't expect Intel to try to push Merced down towards the desktop until at least one iteration after the initial release (probably 1.5 years or so later), after they've had a chance to look at the real-world results of the chip, and make any changes that improve it's marketability to the consumer/business desktop market. So, if they release Merced 2H/2000, that means they start pushing it towards the desktop in 2002. Just about when MS thinks NT 6.0/Windows 2000 Consumer is due. Coincidence?
-Erik
What about Windows 2000? (Score:1)
So I would conclude that this
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Hm... (Score:1)
No consumer OS for Merced from Microsoft (Score:1)
Oh enlightened one... (Score:1)
Or... (Score:1)
Did his un-crash tested Lamborghini (or whatever it was) ever make it out of customs?
Whatta scam ... whatta scam. (Score:1)
some inside scoop for you... (Score:1)
Well with over 35 million lines of code, what do you expect?
=moJ
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Isn't HURD too late? (Score:1)
I admit HURD is an interesting project, but their web page hasn't been very active lately. Does anyone have any news on HURD?
Nothing that's not on their site :-(
For those who want to know what it's all about, here is a link to the official page about the HURD project [gnu.org]
A bit far fetched perhaps, but here is another connection between HURD and Windows:
http://www.hurd.com [hurd.com]
;-)
Merced is not a home processor (Score:1)
MS dropping ports (Score:1)
NT 64 bit mode doesn't exist (Score:1)
M$ wants to retain/claim more market share? (Score:1)
Not as bad as some reports (Score:1)
I average 2 reboots/day.
I average 1 complete reinstall every 9 months.
The reinstall is for when my system regularly becoms fubar.
Linux/ *nix is focused on modularity. (Score:1)
Doesn't that make it easier to insert new code? Or am I just being mainstream (=Linux) in my expectation of how things work?
/fransg