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Amazon Opening Imported Goods Store On Alibaba 31

itwbennett (1594911) writes "Amazon is usually on the other end of the 'if you can't beat em, join em' dynamic. But next month Amazon is launching a store on Alibaba's Tmall.com site to get access to some of the Chinese online retail giant's 265 million monthly active users. Amazon already has its own e-commerce site geared for the country, but its share of China's online retail market is only 0.8 percent, according to Beijing-based research firm Analysys International. Alibaba, in contrast, controls three quarters of the market through its Tmall and Taobao Marketplace sites."
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Amazon Opening Imported Goods Store On Alibaba

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    I bet you won't be able to sell book about true history of the Chinese Communist Party there. (Turns on VPN before posting)

  • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Sunday March 08, 2015 @04:56AM (#49208633)

    I'm not surprised about Amazon's limited market share given the number of requests I get from Chinese colleagues to buy something from Amazon and bring it over when I go over there on a business trip.

    • Because it's cheaper from outside China because China have very high luxury taxes on foreign goods. Which is why all the mainlanders (locusts) come rush over hk border to do shopping. It's also because they know the quality is better, so that's why they are stealing baby formulas.

      Fuck China and China Communist Party.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I was there last week. They're now checking mainlanders at the border to ensure they don't take more than (IIRC) 1.8 kilos (3 big tins, basically) of baby formula per locust per day back with them to Shenzhen. And some other stuff as well, but they actually have big signs up warning that anything in excess of that amount will be confiscated.

        Watch out for the border guards on the mainland side, too, at least at Luohu--many of them will try to steer you into "bargains" like cab rides into town with their budd

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Well, good luck them for them. As an ex-mainlander who managed to make some cash on early alibaba boom in the previous decade I can tell them that good and well ran store don't stay on tmall or 1688 for long. When they establish good, solid, recognizable brand for themselves they usually wrap up their tmall stores and open a conventional e-commerce outlet, so they don't have to pay baba for traffic. I believe that this will be the reason for Alibaba's coming downfall. Bet short in a few years.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 08, 2015 @06:04AM (#49208759)

      I'll explain it to you, dear Mr. Laowai. Alibaba's sites are actually not that popular in China. China has over 20000 on-line retailers with revenues over one million USDs (2012 data). On-line commerce is not limited to Alibaba's sites alone. While they do have a dominant position in some product categories, they do not have an overwhelming grip on e-commerce market in China in any form as they claim in their IR communiques. This is a blatant lie they told US SEC and naive US investors to get that insane valuation.

      I really doubt that Amazon can get any beachhead in Chinese market by going on Alibaba, more likely they are just giving Mr. Ma free money. They will get no more than yet another grey, faceless listing page on tmall, while still having to pay Baba for greatly overpriced traffic (Alibaba's click costs 12 times more than Chinese average PPC market rate).

      Alibaba does report their high goods turnover, insane profitability, and ability to act according to "strategic vision", however they don't ever mention that:
      1. Their biggest foreign market is... Russia, a country that is soon to go down.
      2. Many of their side businesses are being attacked and closed down by Chinese authorities. The attitude of the communist elites towards Mr. Ma's business is overwhelmingly negative. The privileged communist caste loath him for the fact that he came to money and prominence without sucking their dicks, and they are putting efforts to fix that.
      3. Their turnaround digits can't be genuine for the fact that the practice of selling your own goods to yourself to up your computed rating is widespread among vendors.
      4. They are genuinely loosing that fight for the mobile market. They went low down on that, so they simply have to force desktop users to make purchases from the phone, so they can draw digits for investors.
      5. Their top managers are no more than decorations, hired for their good appeal to investors. In reality they are isolated from all, but most symbolic forms of decision making. Their mid-managers are, without a single exception, friends and buddies of Alibaba's original team, hired with no regard for real skills and suitability for position.
      6. They have no real plans, and they change their "long term" business plan on the go. Hundred million dollar projects are initiated and closed on a whim. The management body within Alibaba that actually runs company's operations is a revolving door establishment. They loose best and brightest, while retaining underperformers. They have to compensate by paying external management consultants big buck for any substantial undertaking they try.

      • Re: your point #2 (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Apart from the subject to be abjectly subject for, in what way is that different from the way the West acts?

        Look at the hate for Al Gore or Elon Musk.

        People who have made a mint without sucking the cock of Big Money under the Ayn Randian ideology of "people with money have shown the right to have money" that capitalism has clutched to its breast as a True Faith. You know, the people called "Wealth Creators" and who should NEVER be asked to pay more in case they leave and take the jobs they created washing t

      • This is a blatant lie they told US SEC and naive US investors to get that insane valuation.

        Remember that IPO stands for "It's Probably Overpriced."

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      It is a real problem to find good stuff on tao and tmall even for Chinese person (who I am). These sites are popular among rural dwellers, for whom the risk of getting a broken good is outweighed by change of getting stuff at silly low price. City dwellers don't shop there much, preferring to buy higher values goods at internet outlets run by brands.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I bet this itself is a desperate measure to stop vendors turning away from Amazon and running their foreign stores by themselves.

    Amazon has close to no overseas presence outside of English speaking countries. Their total overseas revenue is miniscule, comparable only to third and fourth tier online retailers in China.

    • by nojayuk ( 567177 ) on Sunday March 08, 2015 @09:04AM (#49209031)

      "Amazon has close to no overseas presence outside of English speaking countries."

      Well, apart from France (75 million people), Germany (80 million), Japan (120 million), South Korea (50 million), Spain, Greece, Italy, the Scandinavian countries, Holland, Belgium etc. etc.

      Add them up and you'll find the populations of Amazon's non-English-speaking markets are way larger than the English-speaking nations. The total number of customers and total sales may be lower -- Japan, for example has Rakuten/Tenso as a serious competitor to Amazon.co.jp for online sales -- but they're out there and selling to anyone with a credit card and a keyboard whatever language they speak.

      • by houghi ( 78078 )

        Belgium? What site please? If I want something, I use the French, UK or German one. Prices might differ and so does delivery cost. Amazon.nl has almost nothing to sell, except books.

        Disadvantage of looking at other countries is that I do not know easily if they deliver what I want to Belgium or not.

  • made in china ?
  • We can't get enough of cheap imported crap from China while we are too lazy to make anything ourselves (or even get a robot or a 3D printer to make our stuff for us). We would rather busy ourself with high-level low-energy activities like

    accounting (pushing money around between each other and eventually to China),
    design (telling the Chinese how to make the stuff we want so they won't need us anymore soon),
    bureaucracy (making rules that mean that the stuff we want can only be made in China unless we wa
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Do you think that the reason for the quality difference is the difference in bureaucracy? Yes, I know that it's a matter of faith that government is bad, red tape is bad, making doing things you want to do harder is bad, but maybe all that red tape meant that rules ensuring high quality work and high costs to produce (meaning high cost of end product) are inextricably linked together.

      Dump the rules, you drop the price and quality.

      You can't complain about the rules because you want lower prices but then whin

  • Looking at the majority of responses previous to this, we find the majority of them to be from Anonymous Coward accounts, written in obviously non-native English.

      You have to wonder how many are real, non-biased opinions. How many are scared to post from an account with history, from fear of repercussion?

  • Alibaba has almost five times the sales of Amazon, and mostly from non-first world countries to boot. Amazon has no choice whatsoever if they want access to that market. Almost seems like it should be a monopoly concern though.
  • Isn't that was Aliexpress if for? I just made my first order with them for refractometers. Paid $10 with free shipping (yah I can wait weeks lol) for something wholesalers here charge me $70.

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