Sun Cancels UltraSPARC IIIi+ 97
Doctor Memory writes "El Reg is reporting that Sun has finally come clean and admitted that they have killed the UltraSPARC IIIi+ chip. According to John Fowler, Sun's server chief, 'We canceled it last fiscal year to focus on the ramp (up) of UltraSPARC IV+, Niagara and Niagara 2.' Sun has had great success with its new Niagara line, and with it's line of AMD-based systems."
UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARCIII (Score:5, Informative)
Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC (Score:5, Insightful)
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According to
http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v240/specs.xml [sun.com]
or
http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v210/specs.xml [sun.com]
There are no processor upgrades avalaible to the Sun V240 or Sun V210 Server. I suppose that the upgrade is only avalaible to the Big Iron Systems.
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Expect the model number to be incremented by 5.
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They are all 1U boxes and most 1U boxes don't have dual hot pluggable PSU's.
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This is FUD plain and simple. The V490 was based on the V480 and both of these products have had HS power supplies since their release. The 440 came out later which has decent processor speed but a little less memory bandwidth than the full-fledged V490.
From this page [sun.com]:
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Clearly, this isn't as funny when explained as why delivered as a throw-away line.
Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC (Score:1)
The UltraSPARC III/IV/IV+ use the Gigaplane Interconnect which is designed to support >4 Modules, the UltraSPARC IIIi uses JBus which is designed to support 4 CPU's. The two are not compatible so you cannot drop a US IV+ into a IIIi slot.
Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC (Score:2)
Unfortunately, the article is talking about the USIIIi+ being cancelled, which was the upgrade for the USIIIi
In the server space, Niagara based systems are the replacement for the USIIIi, but there is not really a replacement o
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Re:UltraSPARC IV is the replacement for UltraSPARC (Score:2)
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Re:who cares() - SUN expensive? (Score:1)
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Really? Have you ever run anything mission critical? You know, like you're losing 250k every 15 mins it's down critical? I have.
Dell and Linux don't even exist in that universe. HP used to, but I'm leary nowadays. IBM with AIX (and maybe their mainframes) and Sun with Solaris are the only answers.
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Of course they've been having great success.... (Score:5, Funny)
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There wasn't a delay (Score:2)
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If the article is correct then there will be no replacement for the US IIIi
The T2 will replace the T1 but this will be a system upgrade rather than a module change. Sun tends to provide module upgrades for the mid range and high end SPARC units as well as for the AMD based boxes (generally).
There will be a whole new server platform in 2008 based on the Rock CPU called Supernova this will be a complet
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Sun's current laptop offerings are really depressing. They are big, heavy, and offer very poor price/performce ratios (in my experience, Ult
We looked at the name (Score:5, Funny)
Check out Sun's wrongdoing (Score:1)
Re:Check out Sun's wrongdoing (Score:5, Insightful)
Class action lawsuit due to patent infringement of Kodak's patents, related Java.
There was a patent lawsuit. I don't know where you get "class action" part from. Sun also settled and licensed the technology immediately after the judge decided they were infringing. So you proved... how responsible Sun is?
Sun has done some questionable things, but those aren't it.
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I'm sure it helps to have people keep tabs on big companies. Sun's about the least of my worries when it comes to companies misbehaving, though.
Hey, speaking of Sun and different lines of chips, what about the clockless chip I used to hear about? Is that still in development, or has it been canned?
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Yep, that's why I decided to speak up. His goal is sound enough, but his research is severely lacking. His site makes no mention of many of Sun's earlier intentional and unintentional misdeeds. For example, Jini was not a technology that just appeared out of the blue. It was a complicated aquisition that ended up with accusations of technology theft and poor morals.
That's all in the past now, but it's quite a bit more dam
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The US-IIIi is supposed to have some asynchronous (i.e. clockless) logic in it.
Re:Questionable is spelled "sun4m" by Sun. (Score:2, Interesting)
Their handling of sun4m and hardware thereof in not-so OpenSolaris 10 seems to be a bit (more?) questionable given that there was a workable, buildable version of it- and I doubt svn goes back 3-4+ years to s10_22. It'd at least be better to have them put it back in, along with all the hardware eol'ed along the way(and fully documented). Then Sun can just close the book on that platform for good once there is something of a "reference build" that wo
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Their handling of sun4m and hardware thereof in not-so OpenSolaris 10 seems to be a bit (more?) questionable given that there was a workable, buildable version of it- and I doubt svn goes back 3-4+ years to s10_22. It'd at least be better to have them put it back in, along with all the hardware eol'ed along the way(and fully documented).
Nonsense. Solaris 10 is too big for sun4m machines. Run NetBSD or Linux insted. Let it lie. Solaris 10 is the future. sun4m is the (distant) past.
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If you want to accuse me of being a Republican, then you'd be way off. If there were a Pragmatic Party, I'd join it.
Ho Hum (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Ho Hum (Score:5, Insightful)
Sun's current method, introduce the low end chip - Niagara - first and then build up to the high end stuff (the Rock CPU) seems to be a much better idea. Produce the high volume stuff first and use the revenue from that to produce the high end, high margin stuff.
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Xeon anyone? Don't laser cut a few pins needed for SMP functionality, sell the same CPU as being better, therefore, then profit.
Opteron? Oo...how is an Opteron very much different than a regular A64...really?
All CPU makers have a marketing department that had sold the same bit under different names for different amounts of cash, with varying bits of cache and power management
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Opteron has one more Hypertransport line for interprocessor communication. That was the reason for Socket 940 vs. Socket 939. I need to read up a bit to completely understand Socket AM2 vs. Socket F (great names there, AMD marketing types :P). Socket F apparently supports fully buffered DIMMs for one thing.
Otherwise, though, as you point out they're very similar, and may well come off the same wafers.
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Th
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Are they even going to have more than a token low-end HS anymore, or relegate the low-end to AMD64, with overlap in the middle?
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> USIV and T1 are by far Suns big cash cows. While I'm typing this at an USIIIi powered workstation, and would
> love a simple upgrade, I cant say that this upsets me in the least. I'd far rather Sun's R&D go into thier higher-end
> stuff than entry-level stuff, since it will push the current "high end" crap down to the level that us mere mortals
> will be able to get it!
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Right, well, I buy for a university, not for personal use, so I have to disagre
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> I seem to recall that sun still pitches that "100% binary compatibility" thing ?
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Good point, but that's only their own stuff, you know?
They blew a lot of smoke about a partneership with Oracle, too, which I take with a grain of salt: until, for example, Oracle Enterprise Manager is certified on Solaris 10 and Sun x86, I will have to run it on Solaris 8 or 9, SPARC. Which, obviously, is lame, since development on these products trailed of
New price. (Score:1)
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There isn't a direct competitor for the v440 (4 CPU sockets, 4U chassis) but it's so expensive you could buy a small x4600 for the same money.
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What the i Stands For (Score:4, Funny)
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Where I come from, Capital I is used for current. However, i and j are the unit vectors on the x and y axes respectively. And the complex plane looks like an xy plane with the real axis on x and the imaginary one on y. So the vector j is basically the imaginary unit.
In fact, the connection between the 2-dimensional geometry and complex algebra is formally shown in Geometric [cam.ac.uk]
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But the e standard for exceptionally lousy, as in Ultrasparc IIe
Dont buy it.
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But.. but... imaginary numbers are no more imaginary than real ones.
/me ducks.
An apostrophe too far. (Score:1, Offtopic)
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SUN (Score:2)
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Nah, I preferred running Windows on a SPARC based Sun box using an i386 daughter board. And that was 10 years ago!
Office Space (Score:3, Informative)
It was quite possibly the most disorganized, un-coordinated place on earth. If Disney World was run by a single quadrapalegic, I think it would still be more effecient.
We took a tour, and the guide honestly said that the only really interesting thing they had going on, was that they could bring their dogs to work....uh thanks man. really technologically advanced
I'd like a Niagra/UltraSparc T1 (Score:2)
Tempted to just get a SunFire T1000 for $3500 anyways just to experiment on. It's a pretty good price for a s
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I don't see much value in floating point. I'm not arguing to make it a desktop, that would be pointless since there are zero real games for Sparc. I just think it would be nice for experimentation and number crunching. (real number crunching doesn't use highly inprecise floats).
I think a pair of dual core Athlons would run cir
Why is this news?! (Score:2)
Oh but wait--it's The Register. Any product that gets cancelled is worth talking about, if you can spin it as a death knell for the company du jour.
Why Does Sun Make Their Own Chips? (Score:1)
Re:Why Does Sun Make Their Own Chips? (Score:5, Insightful)
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