Parts of French 'iPod Law' Struck Down 49
idobi writes "Parts of the French 'iPod law' have been struck down. The French Constitutional Council found certain aspects of the law to be troubling and a violation of copyright... not the copyright of artists, but companies' copyright of their DRM software." From the article: "In particular, the council eliminated reduced fines for file sharing and said companies could not be forced, without compensation, to make music sold online compatible with any music device. The law, which had been approved by the French Senate and National Assembly last month, was brought for review by the council following the demand of more than 100 members of the National Assembly. The council's review of whether the law fits within the French Constitution's framework is one of the final steps before a law is promulgated. Now it could take effect as altered by the council, or the government could bring it once more before the Parliament."
Dropping the other shoe... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:4, Interesting)
Not that simple, I'm afraid. DRM is not a format, it is essentially a way to handle encryption keys. Should the government choose - say - AAC or WMA as the mandatory format for online music sellers, it would still not ensure interoperatbility. The problem is not in the fact that iTMS sells AAC files, the problem is in the way they are encrypted and in the way the encryption keys are distributed. I can imagine one potential way to ensure interoperability - Apple (and other vendors) could be legally obliged to issue keys to vendors of other portable players. Just as the iPod has its "own" key repository, I think in theory - say - Creative could have a similar repository on their players. I think you could imagine a law that would require every vendor of DRM-encrypted multimedia to deliver keys to any bona fide player vendor. Such a law would satisfy both the major music corporations and the player manufacturers (not to mention us the users, proles of the digital age).
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:1)
I suppose part of what I meant by control was that the government should be the one in control of the keys for the devices. Copy controls completely in the hands of corporations will ultimately lead to "rental" of all intellectual property. There is a strong shift in intellectual property rights away from the commons towards corporate control of data. I wouldn't even say that the shift is towards the creators of data because independent artists will not have equal access to DRM tech
Forced to share, but with whom? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think you could imagine a law that would require every vendor of DRM-encrypted multimedia to deliver keys to any bona fide player vendor.
Ah, but there's the rub -- who's a bona fide manufacturer? Every chump and competitor who comes along? How about Mr. Knock-off Manufacturer who would then have the "keys" to your entire customer base? What about the small guy? How small is too small? So many issues involved when you're forced to share your technology with anyone who asks, but not to just anyone (because then that would just enable anybody to defeat the DRM essentially). It seems like the simplest solution here is to maintain the status quo but not prosecute DRM-stripping or -defeating utilities for personal use.
Not using DRM is a format! (Score:2)
Or more sneakily they could mandage a certain format for DRM that has already been broken and refuse to outlaw the use
Re:Not using DRM is a format! (Score:2)
Their objection is not to DRM, but to Apple's sale of DRMed content that won't play on competitors' devices.
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:5, Funny)
Does that mean I can pirate DRM? How long before rights management has it's own DRM. And then we need DRM for the DRM of the DRM
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:5, Insightful)
I share your concern, but not quite the way you put it.
Modern versions of computer-based DRM are simply software implementations, and are completely copyrightable under any modern body of copyright law. The philosophy here is that every batch of code is an "expression" of the underlying ideas, and that "expression" should be protected against unauthorized copying, derivation, etc. No real surprises there.
(Aside: I happen to disagree vehemently with this notion. I believe that software needs some kind of copying protection, but I don't buy this line about "expression" for most software works. But that's a discussion for a different thread.)
Also incorrect is the comment in the summary that the iPod law somehow violated "companies' copyright of their DRM software." That's completely wrong. The issue has nothing to do with the copyright over the DRM software. Is anyone "copying" the DRM software? Is anyone "deriving" it, or "publicly performing" it? The article makes no reference to the DRM software. In other words, the submitter is wildly off-track in mentioning it.
Fortunately, the submitter did choose the right buzz-clip to describe the meat of the issue: "[T]he council eliminated reduced fines for file sharing and said companies could not be forced, without compensation, to make music sold online compatible with any music device."
Now, here's what's wrong with that, and here's why you should be troubled.
The iPod law "forced" no one to do anything. Apple to take any action to maintain compliance with French law, nor was it threatened with criminal penalties for not opening iTunes to other MP3 players. Apple could have responded by doing nothing, and the law would have been A-OK with its inaction.
Rather, explicitly permitted users to engage in format translation - in order to transfer their iTunes music to a non-iPod MP3 device. If you want to use the word "force," then the law merely stopped forcing users to follow Apple's business model. As a consequence, Apple may have felt compelled to change iTunes in undesirable ways for its own business reasons, but that's completely different from a "forcing" law.
The disturbing thing here is the French Constitutional Council's summary of this law. By using the term "without compensation," they're characterizing it as an uncompensated governmental taking - a limitation of the copyright over music sold via iTunes. That's completely bogus.
Copyright is a property right offered by a government. Artists only enjoy the rights associated with copyright because the government provides them; no one is "entitled" to any particular right under copyright. In other words, government is free to extend or restrict the scope of copyright as it sees fit. Even under the U.S. Constitution, artists are entitled only to have some form of copyright protection available; they have no right to any particular form over any other.) Also, copyright law is a "social contract" between artists and the public - which the government should have very broad power to define, and adjust as necessary.
A useful analogy here is zoning law. You have a strong property right to the use of your land. However, a local government may restrict your use of it through zoning law - it may even re-zone your land to declare your current use illegal. This modification of your property rights is not a "taking." (Village of Euclid, Ohio v. Ambler Realty Co.) You are not due any compensation. Rather, your property rights as a whole are protected from uncompensated seizure, but some specific details of your property rights are subject to state law.
Now, why is this troubling? Apparently, the French Constitutional Council has exercised its power to declare a law unconstitutional on a very flawed understanding of intellectual property law. The likely basis is political pressure: it sought to redress the per
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:2)
Either way one gets the same result.
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:2)
Who wrote anything about patents? That word doesn't appear in the original article, the article summary, the comment that I wrote - or anywhere else in this argument.
Copyrights and patents are 100% different forms of IP. In fact, they're usually mutually exclusive: most "inventions" are either functional concepts (hence patentable) or n
Re:Dropping the other shoe... (Score:2)
No wonder legislature looks bad. You do not need to explain the details of what is going wrong. The core issue is to improve legislature and shift power back to the users.
Now, the questionaire
Imprisonment for copyright infringement (Score:3, Interesting)
Would Sam Palmisano now be in fear of time in Sing-Sing if SCO won their case, if this kind of law held in the USA ?
Re:Imprisonment for copyright infringement (Score:2)
Would Sam Palmisano now be in fear of time in Sing-Sing if SCO won their case, if this kind of law held in the USA ?
At least in the US, there are two kinds of copyright infringement, criminal and civil. The government is in charge of pursuing the criminal kind, which is things like large DVD counterfeiting chains and can carry jail term
Re:Imprisonment for copyright infringement (Score:2)
The NET Act (ca 1997) removed the profit motive as an element of the offense. The feds aren't interested in prosecuting small timers. But an operation on the scale of The Pirate Bay would be nuts.
Re:Imprisonment for copyright infringement (Score:2)
I don't know, is imprisonment for theft of property such as a car something the state does on its own account for violation of criminal laws?
Ideas not copyrightable (Score:1)
Re:WTF? (Score:3, Interesting)
Mod article -1 Uninformed, Completely WRONG (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Mod article -1 Uninformed, Completely WRONG (Score:2)
Further implications(?) (Score:1)
Re:Further implications(?) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Mod article -1 Uninformed, Completely WRONG (Score:5, Insightful)
The EUCD, European Copyright Directive, is the European implementation of the '96 WIPO treaty (asked by the US because they couldn't pass the DMCA without alienating the EFF & co). So they went to the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organisation) and got what they (= RIAA/MPAA/BSA/<insert your favourite bitch here>) wanted. Then they passed the DMCA in the US and were happy (and obviously, the average
The problem is, European Union countries signed the treaty too (as they are WIPO members, and that the copyright works in a way that if you want that other countries enforce YOUR copyrights, you'd better enforce them. One could see the process as some kind of blackmail..). So the European Union creates the EUCD, but keeps it vague so the transcriptions in the member states law's mileage may vary (often referred as "TTITMSLMMV"). For example, the Belgians have a fairly good EUCD-based law. I guess the Swedish will certainly soon have a correct EUCD-based law as the Pirate Party seems to have a large success and public attention.
We have an horrible EUCD-based law. The so-called "Culture" minister, Renaud Donnedieu de Vabres, has been outrightly lying during the whole process of amending the law (the Parliament stage). He declared numerous time how the law was F/OSS friendly, and that interoperability was a key point of the law (that's what the article says, too). Both were already very weak in the law (which is insecure, as it's badly written and has many inconsistencies). They are now completely gone. Some amendments were proposed by our local RIAA/MPAA (SNEP, SACEM, etc) while others by private companies (Vivendi); one of them was called the Vivendi amendment (DRMs made all-powerful) even in the Parliament by MPs! It was adopted. There are no exceptions: not for accessibility (blind people can't get the text of a DRM'd e-Boook), not for research (it's illegal even in universities to study DRM security and circumvention), not for backup, etc.
Is it the Constitutionnal Council's fault? Nope, certainly not. It is definitely the rapporteur's (who is a bastard MP from Hell) and the Government's fault. They abused democracy the whole time. The debates were streamed online so lot of people (including me) got to watch how they didn't listen to the opposition, didn't care, and plainly lied. The Council's role is only to rule if the law is conform to the constitution or not (and if the procedure was following the rules, and the Government took great care of abusing the system while respecting the rules). Yet, pretty much everyone considers the law as a failure, may them be artists (who don't want to see their fans go to jail), software programmers, researchers, librarians (who want to backup DVDs), and the general public. Pretty much everyone, except our local RIAA and MPAA. Great.
If you were thinking coming to France because of the GPON [slashdot.org], you should reconsider. But whatever happens next (whether the law will be applied or not, it's still not decided), it won't last long... or so I hope.
Microsoft? (Score:1)
Re:Microsoft? (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft? (Score:2)
But the French Government unfortunatelly does not hate Microsoft, and most of the average citizen does not really care, nor knows anything about it.
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi
Everything you wanted to know about DADVSI... (Score:3, Informative)
Double Standard (Score:3, Insightful)
So, Microsoft makes online-software that rivals can't interact with. They get fined MILLIONS of dollars, and are forced to help rivals.
Apple makes online-software that rivals can't interact with. They get.. nothing yet? They might have to help their rivals, but if they do they might get paid by the government?
What's the definition of 'double standard" again?
Re:Double Standard (Score:2)
Having a monopoly is not against antitrust law. What is against the law is using monopoly power (which you can have without having a monopoly, BTW) in certain ways.
To the extent that Apple has a monopoly here, they got it by simply not being stupid. All the competing players and services were stupid, doing one or more of the following:
Re:Double Standard (Score:2)
To reiterate:
Big enough marketshare in one market (legal downloadable music - itune)
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is used to leverage sales of product in secondary market (music players - ipod)
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Illegal
Re:Double Standard (Score:2)
So why was the iPod the best selling music player before the iTMS even started?
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Re:Double Standard (Score:2)
Does apple have a "monopoly"?
The question really is what monopoly does Apple have and how they maintained it. They have a monopoly on iTunes music and iPod players. That's it. They do not have a monopoly on mp3 players or online music. They do have an overwhelming market share on MP3 players and online music.
The do not have a monopoly on either because monopolies are based on exclusivitiy. You can get either from a number of competitors. Want another MP3 player? There's Creative, Sony, iRiver, Sa
Stop calling it like that ! (Score:1, Informative)
If you want more information about it, take a look at http://eucd.info/ [eucd.info]
A bad law made worse... (Score:2, Insightful)
For instance the exception for interoperability was struck down not because such an exception would be inconstitutional, but because the meaning of interoperability was not properly defined in the law (in France laws are not open to interpretation, so if you introduce a new concept, you must define it.) And the reduced fines were struck down because they were defined as a special regimen limited to peer-to-peer, excluding e-mail for i
5 years and 500 000 euros - Ouch. (Score:2, Insightful)
http://soufron.typhon.net/spip.php?article150 [typhon.net]
Summary:
OSS bad
Fair use bad
Copying very bad
P2P very very bad
Penalties for same, insane.
Is it just me, or is the world going completely nuts? 5 years and 500 000 euros? Nuts.
Struck down?! (Score:1)
Rotten people, Monsieurs, you are ... (Score:2)
In case you forgot, you have gone radically nationalistic and allowed a megalomaniac declare himself 'le empereur'.