Novell Releases SUSE Linux Enterprise RC3 38
MrHoolio writes "Yesterday morning Novell publicly annouced the free availability of release candidate 3 of the SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 products. Both the server edition and the desktop edition work with XGL out of the box. A serious step forward in the Linux desktop market, Novell claims this will go head-to-head to rival Windows on the enterprise level. It implements a whole new menu system on top of Gnome that is very well thought-out. It has incredible hardware support for a Linux distro."
A lot of praise. (Score:4, Informative)
"Incredible" (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:"Incredible is awfully vague." (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:"Incredible" (Score:3, Informative)
Re:"Incredible" (Score:5, Interesting)
Lots of people would like that. Contact nVidia and tell them this!
(common enough with non-FOSS distros)
Mac OS X is the only non-Free operating system that I know of that ships with nVidia's drivers. Windows users must install the third-party driver. Linux users may use the nv driver from Xorg, or they may sacrafice their freedom and install the third-party driver.
What distros are you talking about?
my crappy Netgear WG111 wireless USB adapter
Lots of people would like that. Contact Netgear and let them know this!
In general, wireless, sound, and to a lesser extent graphics support are what plagues Linux.
Really?
You can't get below 50msec latency on Windows without special sound cards and drivers, but I have no problem with this on ALSA and Linux.
Wireless support is extremely poor throughout windows- it tells applications IP is down (causing lost connections) whenever there's a 802.11 signal problem- something that's almost certainly intermittent.
Intel's own graphics drivers work better on Linux than they do on Windows, so what exactly are you talking about here?
Of course, Windows isn't really any better; they just have the advantages of actually having drivers developed for them by third parties
I'm not sure this is an advantage. Unless the driver was signed and "blessed" by Microsoft, it's quite often a very low-quality driver, and worse still- you're lucky if you receive any support on it.
In fact, unless you get an OEM bundle of Windows, you're likely to have very poor hardware support from the get-go, and unless you take the time to find signed quality drivers, you're going to have problems.
Of course, on Linux, there's a much larger source of high quality drivers- the sound drivers are much better than any of the Windows drivers (With some exceptions for some ASIO drivers), and graphics support is simply much better with Intel and Matrox boards. I'm told nVidia and ATI don't make particularly good drivers (for any platform), but it doesn't really matter to me because their drivers are non-Free.
Re:"Incredible" (Score:2)
No need to, it's already there in SuSE. I run SuSE 9.3 Pro still and the proprietary nVidia driver is right there in the auto-update list. I'm assuming that it's there in subsequent releases too.
Bob
Re:"Incredible" (Score:2)
I'm not really sure about this. On at least one model of Dell that I have here, Windows update always finds a newer nvidia driver available. Of course, if you install that driver, the machine inevitably blue screens on the next reboot and the driver has to be removed. But it is available from Microsoft.
Re:"Incredible" (Score:1)
I'd say it's Dell Windows at that point- it's an OEM bundle, and it's not exactly the same thing.
Microsoft's official XP install disks don't include nVidia driver.
Re:"Incredible" (Score:1)
Sometimes, any driver is better than no driver at all.
DL.tv has a video of this (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:DL.tv has a video of this (Score:2)
That said I turned off the eye candy as there are enough little annoyances to keep me from it.
First it resolution is limited to 1600x1200 (or 1920x1200 for 16:9 displays). When one is used to 2048x1536, 1600x1200 seems so cramped. I also use the gconf-editor to modify the window control widgets to have the close X on the left (where it belongs) wi
Re:DL.tv has a video of this (Score:2)
While it does indeed look cool, I can't imagine a single useful purpose that would make me ever want to turn it on in either OS. I mean, the fade affect was bad enough, now new app windows can wobble too? I want my apps to open faster, not slower!
Re:DL.tv has a video of this (Score:2)
The 6800 was in the desktop running the Vista beta, the laptop running SuSE 10.1 with Xgl
Running it right now! (Score:2)
Re:Running it right now! (Score:3, Informative)
Oh yea, and if anybody is wondering what the hell I am talking about - Sybase ASE 15 [sybase.com] is free on Linux if you run a single CPU machine with other limitations (no more than 2G of physical memory allocated to the Sybase engine, and I think it limits the database size to 5G - but other than that no limits; you are even allowed to use it commercially last I checked.)
Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
That line makes no sense to me at all.
Linux has had incredible hardware support for many years now, and it's all built in.
We don't have to rely on drivers to be supplied by manufacturers with their products as is the norm in the two proprietary consumer operating systems. For the most part, everything just works as soon as you plug it in. It's been many years since I bought a PC accessory off the shelf in Maplins or from a mail-order box shift
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
Actually, I think that Linux's promise is not related to the provision of support by manufacturers at all. It may well be just the opposite --- support by manufacturers quite often holds back the direct support in (and hence the promise of) Linux.
Look at both extremes of support quality to see this:
On the good-support side, two quite obvious factors hold
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
> That line makes no sense to me at all.
> Linux has had incredible hardware support for many years now, and it's all built in.
I too wondered about what was meant by that. Quite possibly is that the Linux distribution includes binary-only drivers to use hardware from hardware vendors that don't care about their users (NVidia, for instance).
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
Have you ever tried to sync an iPaq?
Have you ever tried to get an ATI All in Wonder card fully working?
Have you ever tried to mix ATI Radeon 7500 and 8500 or 9500 in the same machine using ATI's drivers?
Have you ever tried to get an NVidia theater (their take on the AiW concept) card fully working?
Have you ever tried to get a Hercules Game Theater XP fully functional, including full MIDI support?
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
Linux desperately need
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:1)
The thing is, the core Linux developers don't want binary drivers. They want Open Source drivers so that bugs can be found and squashed by the Open Source community, just as other Open Source bugs are. Indeed, one part of the Linux creation legend (I believe) is that Linus originally created Linux, in part, because of a
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:2)
There are philosophical objecttions
Re:Hardware support in Linux is already incredible (Score:1)
Ah, but I have seen it argued (IANAL so I don't know if it's valid) that this is forbidden by the GPL.
"... the reality is that many OEMs won't open source their drivers for very sensible business reasons."
I tend to agree, although I'm neither a businessman (to know what I might want to hold confidential) nor a driver writer (to know if open-sourcing drivers would reveal said confidential
Enterprise Level (Score:1)
To me at least, enterprise level means management and deployment tools. Centralized patch management, remote administration, and policy/profile tools are really at the top of the list. Linux has alw
Re:"Enterprise Linux" (or, "did you know") (Score:2)
- Elect not to install xine, kaffiene, etc.
- You can choose from a variety of window managers
- You can choose to run or not run X
- That media and graphics apps, office apps, and so forth can actually be useful on a server? (ref: thin clients like X terminals, or if you're used to Windows, terminal services, etc.)
Your server may not line up with what other enterprises use. Why limit the system, and likewise, be glad it's not like Windo
apps and peripherals (Score:2, Insightful)
Still missing SELinux (Score:2)
Enterprise 10 (Score:1)