Do PS2-to-USB Keyboard Adapters Work? 84
ewhac asks: "Recently, I was charged with the mission of obtaining a particular small external USB keyboard, for use on a Win2K laptop. However, when the USB version proved unavailable, I obtained the equivalent PS/2 version and an inexpensive PS/2-to-USB adapter. Should have been cake... Except that it didn't work. Win2K failed to see the keyboard, claiming instead to see an unknown USB device. A different USB adapter didn't help. A different keyboard didn't help. Trying on a different computer didn't help. Googling my eyes out for several hours looking for answers didn't help (although I found a few people with the same question). So I thought I'd beseech the Slashdot crowd and ask how many people have had success using legacy input devices with small, inexpensive PS/2-to-USB adapters?"
"Here's the keyboard in question. Here's the first adapter we tested, and here's the second (ignore the picture; it's wrong). Several things about this experience have left me very confused. Keyboards and mice are simple manifestations of the USB HID (Human Input Device) class, and Win2K ships with a fairly complete set of HID drivers -- plugging in a keyboard should (and often does) Just Work. Hence, these adapters are sold without drivers. Further, the PS/2 electrical and logical specifications are older than dirt, and well understood. USB is also very well specified. So building an adapter should be a very straightforward effort, with little room for surprise or failure.
And yet, the damn thing refused to work. All PS/2 keyboards tested worked fine when connected to native PS/2 ports. All computers tested recognized all other USB devices when plugged in. But no matter what we did, we couldn't get any system to recognize any PS/2 keyboard plugged into these PS/2-to-USB adapters.
As the evening wore on, I started to wonder just how many other people had experienced this perplexing situation, and how they resolved it. The makers of these adapters wouldn't knowingly sell non-functional merchandise, so I assume that somehow these things can be made to work. What I'm wondering is what special conditions, if any, are required to get them to work."
Re:Using a USB keyboard (Score:2)
Re:Using a USB keyboard (Score:1)
Re:Using a USB keyboard (Score:1)
Re:Using a USB keyboard (Score:1)
Read the further description... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Read the further description... (Score:1, Flamebait)
He needs a real adaptor not just one of those wiring addaptors for USB/PS2 combo devices.
I've used the real PS2->USB adaptors to use PS2 keyboards and mice via USB under Win2k and XP and they work perfectly.
This guy should have asked
Re:Read the further description... (Score:5, Informative)
What the goober that posted purchased was a plug adapter that just makes a dual PS2/USB keyboard physically fit into a USB socket and switches the internal keyboard circuitry to use USB. This will obviously not work on a PS2-only keyboard, as they have no USB circuitry.
I'd blame the store for selling them, but it clearly says that it won't work without the correct keyboard. And I guess someone has to sell replacements if you lose them.
Re:Read the further description... (Score:1, Funny)
Hahahaha! This is slashdot! You always mod the guy who knows what he's talking about down! I'm suprised you haven't been modded offtopic yet!
Re:Read the further description... (Score:1)
I'm a "computer" guy.
Re:Read the further description... (Score:2)
I used this on my Thinkpad T21 a few years ago with my older keyboard. No longer use it as all my de
Re:Read the further description... (Score:2)
Not all that unusual... (Score:1, Insightful)
The easiest thing to do here would be to think outside the box. Run the mouse off the usb port instead and run the keyboard off the native ps2 port.
Re:Not all that unusual... (Score:1)
Re:Not all that unusual... (Score:2)
Both nic and modem should be available, the primary connection should be a pcmcia card, whichever they use less or don't expect to use should be onboard.. but present.
At least: 1 serial, video out, ps2. 2 usb. It must have a floppy and cdrom-type drive and pcmcia slots.
Those are all basic essentials, anything beyond that is gravy.
But, in this case,
Wrong (Score:4, Informative)
I don't know the technical details, but I can say that adaptors like this [amazon.com] consistantly work great, while adaptors like this [amazon.com] don't work at all.
As far as I can tell, since the adaptors which work are always larger, I assume they have extra electronics inside so they can communicate with the USB port more intelligently.
If someone else knows the technical details of how this works, I'd love to hear about it.
The small ones have no electronics inside. (Score:3)
The small adapter you in the photo to which you link has no electronics inside. It is only a connector adapter. Some mice have PS/2 connectors with extra pins that are needed with USB. When you use the provided adapter, those USB pins are connected. Only the mice with the extra USB arrangement work with the little adapters, not all PS/2 mice.
It's a fact that the more complicated PS2 to USB adapters do not always work reliably in Windows XP.
We redefine the Caps Lock key to be a Control key. All the
Re:The small ones have no electronics inside. (Score:2)
Perhaps that explains why I've seen it "forget" on one neighbor's machine which video card it had (reverted to plain vanilla VGA and something like 8 colors) and on another's machine that it had a network card installed--in the middle of using that card to migrate their old programs and settings from their old Windows 98 machine with the XP program designed to do that migration.
Billy the G must get up every day and lau
Re:Wrong (Score:3, Insightful)
As far as I can tell, since the adaptors which work are always larger, I assume they have extra electronics inside so they can communicate with the USB port more intelligently.
If someone else knows the technical details of how this works, I'd love to hear about it.
There are two types of differences: the pinout and the protocol. If you have a PS/2 only keyboard, yo
Re:Wrong (Score:2)
After all, the ps2 port on a laptop will usually work for either a mouse or keyboard, not like desktop ps2 ports in which you have to use them in their respective ports. (I've never really looked into why this is, but I do know th
Re:Not all that unusual... (Score:2)
Actually I deal with significantly more than 300 servers and 700 desktops. But 20 is enough to start getting a better idea of whether or not something works consistantly.
"it worked on mine machine" is meaningless in the windows world.
Tell me, on your 700 desktops, have you ever installed a piece of hardware, using good media to install the drivers (because windows built-in driver support su
Re:Not all that unusual... (Score:2, Informative)
> works consistantly.
>
> "it worked on mine machine" is meaningless in the windows world.
Agreed, though I think you can start getting *some* idea at less than 20. (Not
really at 1 or 2, though.) Administering six PCs is enough to let you weed out
the stuff that works on about three quarters of all Windows systems and fails
the other quarter of the time. I administer about a dozen Windows desktops, and
I can tell you that
win2k, linux, macos x (Score:3, Interesting)
Win2K required four reboots to install the HID drivers. That's one reboot each for "two" mice and "two" keyboards. After that it worked OK.
Linux required tweaking as I wanted to be able to use the built-in ps/2 touchpad as well. The keyboard was recognized but the mouse wasn't. A bit o' research with Google pointed me in the right direction [tweak xconfig] and I was off an running.
MacOS X just worked. Plug it in and go. No reboots, no tweaking.
This might be a dumb question... (Score:2)
Good luck... I am anxious to see the suggestions.
Neither of those should work. (Score:5, Insightful)
The one in that link looks more substantial and looks like it'll actually have some circuitry inside it, rather than just changing the pinout.
Re:Neither of those should work. (Score:2, Informative)
The two adapters in the article are only for the MS keyboards and mice that shipped with a USB plug and adapter together. Since they weren't bagged together, a lot of companies split off the adapters and the mice, selling them on their own. The MS units use a pin to sense if it's a USB or PS2 port, and the mouse or keyboard itself has the logic for both.
Mine works (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, one caveat...my system is strange. The wireless receiver for both my keyboard/mouse has two PS2 outputs, one for the mouse, one for the keyboard. I am actually able to run just one of these through a USB adapter and have both mouse and keyboard work. I have no idea how this happens, it just does.
I went to Radio Shack, bought the first PS2->USB adapter I saw and it has worked fine ever since. Didn't do anything special, are you sure your connector/USB port is working correctly?
--trb
Re:Mine works (Score:3, Informative)
Because the mouse and keyboard, in the PS2 versions, are fully capable of sharing only one port. So the receiver unit you have is simply putting both signals out both connectors. The only reason there's two connectors on it at all is because some older motherboards have two connectors on them and only read the mouse signals on one and the keyboard signals o
Interchangeable PS/2? (Score:1)
Oddly, all of the Dell systems I have (ancient and modern) have clearly labeled "mouse" and "keyboard" ports, and a keyboard will only work in the keyboard port.
Seems that some chipsets have function-specific ports, others do not?
Must be a Dell thing... (Score:2)
In my experience.. (Score:2, Informative)
In my experience, PS2 -> USB keyboard adapters only work when they're shipped with the keyboard. I'm typing on a MS Natural Keyboard now that uses a PS2 -> USB adapter (that came with it) and it works fine on my G5 and my XP machine. This adapter only works with this model keyboard though.
My guess is that the keyboard needs to be designed for USB and PS2 in order for the PS2 -> USB adapters to work.
Re:In my experience.. (Score:2)
On a side note though, I have run into an issue where Windows 2000 and XP both ignore the keyboard repeat rate
Re:In my experience.. (Score:2)
The composite device uses the driver usbccgp.sys, the HID device uses hidclass.sys, hidparse.sys, hidusb.sys, and hid.dll. The keyboard itself uses kbdclass.sys and kbdhid.sys.
Are you possibly using some third-party
WFM (Score:1)
Did you read the product description?!? (Score:4, Insightful)
Application: USB ADAPTER for USB A Type Male to Mini Din 6 Pin Female ***IMPORTANT NOTE***: 10160 is the adapter ONLY, without chips and any software. If you do NOT have the related chips and software on your computer, we strongly recommend you to by the whole convertor
Did you *buy* the whole convertor, or do you have the chips & software required to translate PS/2 -> USB already in your PC ( pretty damn unlikely! ).
The outpost convertor looks to be the same dealie.
Cheap equipment (Score:1)
Re:Cheap equipment -- yes, go to http://www.ymouse (Score:1)
Moved from an older ADB Mac to a newer USB Mac.
The "i-Mate" ADB to USB didn't work.
The Y-Mouse connector from http://www.ymouse.com/ymouse.php
works.
Dual Function Device or buy a REAL converter (Score:5, Informative)
The adapter is only for dual function devices. These devices are able to tell the difference between PS/2 and USB and switch to that mode. The adapters are nothing more then strait through contacts with the correct pinout.
What you need is a USB / PS/2 keyboard. Then you can plug it into the adapter and all will be well.
Being slashdot, I doubt you read right off your own links. [centralcomputer.com]
Application: USB ADAPTER for USB A Type Male to Mini Din 6 Pin Female ***IMPORTANT NOTE***: 10160 is the adapter ONLY, without chips and any software. If you do NOT have the related chips and software on your computer, we strongly recommend you to by the whole converter.
So either get the right keyboard, or whole converter [centralcomputer.com].
I've been lucky (Score:2)
There's an inside joke with me and my brother. We make reference to USB->PS/2 adapters exploding. We've actually devised plans to use them as weapons of mass destruction.
[Iraqi] They're dropping USB->PS/2 adapters on us! Run for cover!
Re:I've been lucky (Score:2)
You guys need to discover video games or sports or something *bad.*
DEPENDS ON THE HARDWARE USED (Score:1, Redundant)
same reason why ps2->serial converts don't work with all mouses(just with the one's they shipped with usually) & etc...
(however, there might be such devices you're looking for but don't be fooled into thinking they would really be cheaper than some 10-20$ usb keyboard would)
They're hit or miss... (Score:2)
It's just an adaptor, not a translator... (Score:1)
You bought a keyboard that only supports the PS/2 protocol, which is why you need something that translates the PS/2 protocol to USB [centralcomputer.com].
Belkin PS/2 to USB works for me (Score:2)
It has both a PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard connector. I've only used the keyboard part.
The one I use... (Score:1)
It has two PS/2 inputs (keyb & mouse), no driver required, and works under Windows, Linux and MacOS.
Personal peeve: if it were more compact instead of a 25cm Y-dongle then it would've been perfect!
Maybe you're just not lucky (Score:4, Informative)
Keyboard is a Gateway AnyKey from '94, the mouse is a Tobshiba from somewhere in the late 90s. The PS/2 ends of the adapter go to my KVM cables; the USB end into a Compaq laptop. If USB-to-PS/2 works there, I'd expect it to work most places.
One thought, I don't know if the USB-to-PS/2 adapter makes the PS/2 items hot-swappable like USB items. It's no big deal to plug in a USB mouse or drive into a running MS windows system. Normally a PS/2 mouse or keyboard has to be plugged in when you boot the system. I don't know off hand if PS/2-through-USB follows the USB rules or PS/2 rules. Just a thought.
Cue Cat (Score:1)
Re:Cue Cat (Score:1)
Cue Cat Adapter [servebeer.com]
Re:Cue Cat (Score:2)
Get one that has hardware inside - the ones that have both keyboard and mouse connectors usually do.
Re: (Score:2)
IOGEAR (Score:1)
I have been using this one [tigerdirect.com] with both my Dell Inspiron 7000 (W2K and W98se) and my iBook (OSX 10.2) with no problems or glitches whatsoever. I vaguely recall Red Hat not being able to find the mouse during one installation but I don't remember the details or how/if I worked around it.
Used with my G4 tower (Score:2)
... and works just fine: IOGear's PS2-USB adapter [iogear.com]
Never had a problem with it. Be aware, though, that if you are using it with KVM, that Win2K/XP boxes need to have access to said devices while they power up, or they won't be recognized until you reboot.
really cool became really lame (Score:2)
keyboard vs. mouse (Score:2)
"didn't work at all" == the only motion I'd get, if any, was up a
Works fine (Score:2)
What about additional buttons on mice and keyboard (Score:1)
Happy hacker? I have one (Score:1)
I have the newer, in black, usb version. It's FUCKING GREAT! Very small footprint (I never use the function keys or the numpad anyway, so it was great to get rid of them). Everything fits, and I REALLY REALLY like the control key at my left pinky. Getting used to the fn-delete for backspace was a slight trick at first,
Re:Happy hacker? I have one (Score:1)
Re:Happy hacker? I have one (Score:2)
I have a focus FK-2001, the best keyboard ever made since the IBM keyboard of power. Its got basically the same layout, but updated to the standards of the late 90s.
It clicks and feels like a keyboard should. And reliable? Each key can be disassembled right down to the real metal contacts with little more than a screwdriver (not that I have ever needed to do so).
Above the board and below the key caps, is a metal spill gaurd that shunts liquids away from the key mechanisms and dow
Mostly Junk (Score:2)
The second adapter made the mouse's refresh rate really awful (reminded me of Windows 3.1 days) and wouldn't let you press more than 1 key at a t
similar problem (Score:3, Informative)
Having said that, we just went through a similar problem with USB-Serial converters. USB is well defined and RS-232 is ancient (and well defined). Yet, our product (which meets the RS-232 spec strictly) didn't work if the customer was using a USB-Serial converter. We found the converters (we tried several brands) were doing some subtly "unusual" things with both the signals and the serial port registers. We ended up modifying the product firmware and the software on the PC side to make allowances for these converters.
This may be your problem. If that particular converter hasn't been tested with your model keyboard, by the manufacturer, it may have problems.
Contact Microsoft Support for help (Score:2)
Just remember:
Expensive software ==> expensive support
Free software ==> free support
Be warned that in either case you may get no answer (or a wr
Just bought a bunch of IOGear adapters. (Score:3, Informative)
We use the IOGear GUC100KM [iogear.com].
These are both larger and more expensive (List price $50) than the adapters mentioned in the original article, but they work, and are supported under Win 98, 98SE, 2000, ME, XP, MAC OS 8.6 or greater and SUN Solaris 8/9.
Could function be partially compromised? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is it possible that the converter is responsible?
Different Adapters (Score:2)
Some keyboards are PS/2+USB on the inside, and use a very simple passive PS2USB adapter. The adapter doesn't do any of the neccesary protocol conversion, it just let's the keyboard's internal dual-mode PS/2 and USB logic talk the right way to the PC.
If the keyboard is truly USB-only or PS/2-only, then you need a bulkier active adaptor which actually translates between the two protocols
IMO - they are junk (Score:1)
Also, before someone mentions it, yes I have another model m with this [geocities.com] mod, & that didn't work either.
you need more than a simple adapter rewiring pins (Score:1)
I had the same problem when I bought a mouse with PS/2-serial-adapter. It worked fine until I changed the mouse against another PS/2-mouse. This new mouse didn't know about serial dataflow and refused to work with this simple adapter.
What the crap kind of question is this? (Score:1)
Drivers? (Score:2)
First thing first (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:First thing first (Score:2)
Do PS2-to-USB Keyboard Adapters Work? (Score:2, Funny)
Build your own... (Score:1)
Microchip's Application Note [microchip.com]
Microchip even provides gives out samples for free, you just need to find someway to program it.
Y-Mouse from Pi Engineering (Score:1)