Slashback: Pop-Ups, Books, Qmail 365
What's your idea of feel-good literature? A few weeks ago, an Ask Slashdot question was posed about the greatest dystopic novels, and quite a few people weighed in with their choices for visions of the post-nuclear, post-germ-warfare, post-natural disaster or otherwise blighted future.
Now reader itwerx wants the other side: "That "Dystopic novels?" Ask Slashdot was so darn depressing we need a counter balance! Let's hear what novels of utopia may not be widely known."
It's certainly widely known, but I'll start the bidding with Atlas Shrugged.
The best revenge is living well, and gluing spammers end-to-end. RealDhar writes "Hey, just thought I'd let folks know that, inspired by the recent article about Paul Graham's Bayesian spam filter work, I went and wrote one for qmail. Please check it out!"
What took so long? Pop-up ads are no fun. iVillage cut them out, AOL swears they're cutting back, and even Netscape 7 can be wrangled to block them. An anonymous reader writes "From the Associated Press (via Salon): EarthLink Inc. said Monday it plans to offer its subscribers software to block Internet pop-up advertisements as part of a wider campaign to set itself apart from competitors. The full story is here.."
Penguins and picnics go well together. ArtEnvironment writes "Besides today's 2nd California Linux Anniversary Picnic previously mentioned, there will also be PLUS, the Philadelphia Linux/Unix Symposium which is the 2nd annual East-Coast Linux anniversary picnic and more, including a bar night kicking off Friday the 23rd, a free computer/electronics swap meet and giveaway on Saturday the 24th, and of course the picnic on Sunday the 25th. Also included is one of the well-known PLUG GPG Keysigning parties. PLUS will be an annual grass-roots event, but it 'won't be big and professional like' ALS or LWCE. ;)"
I look forward to the final, triumphant mention of this :) Qbertino writes "The Blender Fund, established a month ago in order to buy the IP of the 3D Pakage Blender and, at last, GPL it, has accumulated 90K Euro (90K$) of the required 100K in less than 4 weeks. As it indicates on the Website, Ton Roosendahl, father of Blender, is preparing to release the sources which should happen within the next week or so. Time for a Blender icon on /."
Utopian novels (Score:3, Informative)
Version of what I call the "James P. Hogan Utopia" show up in a number of his novels. Among them are: Paths to Otherwhere, The Multiplex Man, Return to Tomorrow.
-Rob
Re:Utopian novels (Score:4, Informative)
"The Number of the Beast," by Robert A. Heinlein
(heh... dirty old man!)
Re:Utopian novels (Score:3, Funny)
Yea, it's got a great a great soundtrack too. [ironmaiden.com]
Re:Utopian novels (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm surprised when one of his novels ends less than well.
luna is a terrorist (Score:2, Flamebait)
By the end of the book, I was deeply saddened that their plans weren't foiled, that the thinly-veiled United-Nations-cum-Fascist-Overlords didn't blow the colony to smithereens, that they got away with such atrocities, and that Heinlein had the nerve to try and justify it all!
I really hated that book. It sickened me and left me with a very foul impression of its author. Perhaps it was a bad Heinlein book to start off with, because now I refuse to read any of his others, no matter how well recommended they are.
Re:luna is a terrorist (Score:2)
Just because some acting government holds the might does not make them in the right and all those who choose to fight them terrorists.
Re:luna is a terrorist (Score:2)
How about the American Revolution? Unless, of course, you consider British soldiers or crates of tea to be "civilian targets" or "innocent people."
Surprise.
Re:luna is a terrorist (Score:2)
Do your homework. Most of the loyalists who fled to Canada during the Revolution were soldiers, members of the Royal Regiment of New York and other organized fighting units. Violence against armed and organized enemy soldiers can hardly be considered in the same breath as violence against civilians.
While there is other evidence-- mostly anecdotal, but some deriving from land grant records in the early 1780's-- that some refugees were civilians fleeing persecution in the Colonies, the consensus of opinion among historians is that these individuals and families were fleeing social and economic pressure, not out-and-out violence.
You can-- and evidently should-- learn more here [tbaytel.net].
Re:luna is a terrorist (Score:2)
When was the last time you even read the book? They NEVER targeted cities or cilvilan targets! Everything they targeted was either in the water, on mountain tops, in the middle of deserts or military targets (cheyenne(sp) moutain was flattened). Yes some people died (idiots mostly; who goes and sight sees at or near ground zero of large rocks?). And unlike the UN, they never used nukes... Just real big rocks.
Lets see, luna did not attack until they had been attacked, the UN used war gas, the UN used nukes and they attacked cities. All Luna did was throw rocks.
There is a difference between terorists and being at war. A big one. It is real obvious you don't know the difference. During war, you do what it takes to win, plain and simple. (Think USA and Japan, WWII)
As for being a bad book, I don't think so, it won a hugo back in the 60's.
BWP
George Washington was a terrorist? (Score:3, Informative)
I read it in that sense because it seemed to fit with Heinlein's weird libertarian-fascist love of pioneers, and it seemed to be pretty thickly laid on, even down to using the Fourth of July etc.
Re:luna is a terrorist (Score:3, Informative)
Heinlein always was a dirty old man, a male chauvinist pig and a bit of a bigot, with somewhat humorous/pitiful attempts to (over)compensate for these shortcomings in his books.
However, he was a hell of a talented writer with a much broader vision than most sci-fi authors of his day and he also had to write for a society which (believe it or not) was a heck of a lot narrower minded then than it is now. If you can look past the shadows his own flaws cast on his writing you can discover some real works of art.
Define Utopia (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Define Utopia (Score:2)
For starters, the GNU mascot is a, well, Gnu, not a hamster. As well, the Hurd is a microkernel, not a monolithic one, so it's just not that big. Infinet Jest is also a little to close to the expected release date of the HURD, too, so I'd run the other way if you're every introduced to one Richard M. Stallman.
Besides, I thought that Linux provided utopia?
Soko
You too? (Score:2)
-a
Utopian Novels (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Utopian Novels (Score:3, Funny)
My, aren't you a peach. How silly of us to think that we could grow as humanity. I mean, modern life isn't any better, really, than Europe during the inquisition. Why should we even keep living.
Re:Utopian Novels (Score:2)
Popup Story (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Popup Story (Score:3)
The only thing we can do is advocate the usage of pop-up blockers and send a message to these advertisers that the public refuses to be annoyed. Now all we need is a pop-up blocker that sends an email to the webmaster of the site everytime a pop-up is blocked
Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:5, Insightful)
Let it just be said that this Romantic tried to call her poor justifications objectivity for a good reason... to hide the lack of any internal coherency. At least half the people that "like" her simply don't understand her and buy the surface level rhetoric of libertarean objectivity. She hated Libertarians, She was not Objective ("objectivity" for her refers to the cold hard outlook, the ability to step over a homeless person, not in the scientific sense of subjecting one's hypothesis to doubt and test). Nietzsche is a much better way to spend your youthful rebellion against the herd. Rand is a waste of time. You can still step over homeless people without having to deify yourself to justify it. Hell, you can even help them if you like. (Not for rand, her not-for-profit organization doesn't believe in charity, volunteerism or, for that matter, not-for-profit endeavor!) There is no more humourously self-refuting organization or philosophy on earth, I believe.
She simply was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period.
Rand is actually quite dangerous, I think. She represents an anti-rationalism which is always a key ingredient in fascism.
Dang, I did the rant.
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
See, this is the kind of conclusion that one can achieve if one forgets the "moral" part of "moral objectivism."
I'm not saying Rand was Right, exactly, but I don't think she was nearly as Wrong as you seem to think she was.
Rand's basic premise, in a nutshell, was that it is the natural order of things for people to act selfishly. Denial of selfishness leads directly to corruption. So acting out of moral self-interest is less likely to result in corruption or fascism than total, but ultimately false, altruism.
But like I said, I'm not trying to advocate that position, completely. I think, for example, that she was overly optimistic about the universality of the moral compass. It seems to me-- although my mind's not totally made up on this yet-- that most people that I've met have only the most basic moral compass. They might shy away from armed robbery, but they're not above shoplifting. Of course, I think that's more a problem of nurture than it is of nature, but that's another topic.
On a different, and actually significantly more important, topic, the whole time I've been writing this my dog has been lying on the couch next to me, dreaming. He's asleep, and every so often he sort of grumbles in his throat, and he legs twitch, and he tosses and turns for a bit. I put my hand on him and he quiets.
There he goes again.
I wonder what dogs dream about?
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
I don't think people are born with any "moral compass", but that we are trained in certain responses. All we are born with is absolute freedom, and we must be shown which freedoms to avoid for our own benefit. Throughout our development we are faced with choices, and thinking about these decisions will inevitably lead to self-consciousness. At this point, we recognize the reasons behind morals and then refute them and change if they are nonsense. Once we achieve self-consciousness, we should be able to define an objective moral code based on logic, which is what Rand was trying to do IMO.
They might shy away from armed robbery, but they're not above shoplifting. Of course, I think that's more a problem of nurture than it is of nature, but that's another topic.
Response based on severity of repercussions if caught, probability of being caught and probability of being injured themselves in such a high-risk endeavour weighed against benefits to oneself. Note that all above criteria are based on "self-interest". Even if they take into account not wanting to hurt the cashier, these sentiments are motivated by wanting to avoid feeling guilty, which is again self-interest.
Re:Dogs dream about... (Score:4, Funny)
I think that's reasonable, but I have to wonder if he's dreaming about chasing or about being chased. It bothers me to think of my dog having nightmares. Which is kind of strange, because I'm not really a dog person, especially-- the dog is my girlfriend's, and I inherited him when we moved in together. But thinking of my dog lying there alone, in the dark, afraid of something... that bothers me more than I'd care to admit. So when he's dreaming, I always put my hand on him to either comfort him or wake him up a little, and he calms down. Of course, if he was dreaming about chasing pork spare ribs through an endless meadow, then I just royally fouled that up for him, didn't I?
I don't suppose it makes much sense to spend time thinking about dog dreams. But I do, I do.
Un-rant (Score:4, Insightful)
You're on. Name the lapses in coherency.
"At least half the people that "like" her simply don't understand her and buy the surface level rhetoric of libertarean objectivity."
You're right about that. I've met them. But you're a reasonable chap, right? So you won't call "objectivist" one who claims it for himself falsely, then, will you?
"She hated Libertarians,"
Yes, she did. Her political philosophy was grounded in her ethics and more deeply in her epistemology. It's evident that she believed serious political reform was untenable without a major philosophical evolution. How can a government protect rights they don't believe in? The Libertarians believe there are political solutions to philosophical problems (actually they don't acknowledge the problems are philosophical in nature -- it'd undermine their ringquest). And they don't care to ground their political notions in sound philosophy. As a result they're just shifting dogma like those of the other parties. The LP is well on its way to becoming yet another party (albeit a tiny one) awash in moral pragmatism.
That said, I've voted for their candidate on occasion, when I think it's the best of the available choices. And because the two major parties no longer offset each other as well as they have in the past.
""Objectivity" for her refers to the cold hard outlook, the ability to step over a homeless person, not in the scientific sense of subjecting one's hypothesis to doubt and test."
This is nonsense. A.) When does she step over a homeless person? In what book of hers? In what historical account? As I recall, in Atlas Shrugged, she has Dagny enjoy dinner with a tramp on her train. While it was not for charity, she was aware of the value of the meal to the tramp -- and she treated him respectfully. What would you have preferred? A kiss? Jeez. B.) In science, hypotheses are not "subjected" to "doubt", just to test. Courageous scientists enjoy subjecting hypotheses to the strictest tests because they marvel at those which remain standing. They maintain no affection toward false hypotheses. Because Rand shares none of her own personal introspection with you, you assume there'd been none? Read more. Objectivism isn't about spouting fiat and watching the world morph into spires of glass and steel. It's about determining and stating one's desire, finding out what it takes to accomplish it, and then doing it.
"Nietzsche is a much better way to spend your youthful rebellion against the herd."
Rebellions against herds are for the so-called non-conformists. They're blind to the irony that their ideals are determined by others -- that they've evaded the task of selecting their ideals. What happens when their "enemies" change their ideals? Do they lose the enemy or swap ideals? It's not about what you're against. It's about what you're *for*.
"She [...] was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period."
There are characters in Atlas Shrugged who "rose to the top" of their world who were most assuredly not capitalists. They were, in fact, villains. Perhaps you should consider reading the book.
"Rand is actually quite dangerous, I think."
Not really. She was short and out of shape. And now she's dead. But perhaps you mean to say that her ideas are quite dangerous. In the sense that they arm rational people against an irrational era, you're right.
"She represents an anti-rationalism which is always a key ingredient in fascism."
The "key ingredient" in fascism is the belief that the State is the creator/grantor of all rights. One would have to be anti-Reason to take this view. Please demonstrate how Ayn Rand supported this view. Take your time.
-B...
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
AynRand.org [aynrand.org] does not specifiy that it is non-profit. Simply because it is an organization created to spread Objectivism, and which collects contributions to that end, does not classify it as non-profit.
She simply was justifying why men that rise to the top of the capitalist world, like Ken Lay, are a better sort of people, period.
Actually, no. In her books, the people on the top (the ones in power) were the "bad" people if you recall. Simply because you are on top and have the power, does not mean you are a "better sort of person". She tried to say that everyone should have the freedoms to pursue their own self-interest without interference from other men.
This "rant" of yours is fine if all you want to do is spout off a non-factual "opinion", but until you can demonstrate inconsistency or problems with her philisophy (which you have not done in the above), you're just blowing smoke out your arse.
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
Capitalism is about freedom, not greed. It's about pursuing self-interest, not indulging appetites. What's the difference between "self-interest" and "greed"? Making decisions based on self-interest leads to responsible choices, whereas allowing greed to make one's decisions is blindly sacrificing long-term benefit for short-term gain.
But they also refused to acknowledge that you need information to make a free decision.
Free of what? Free of ignorance? Then you would need information. Make a decision free of prejudice? Then less information may be beneficial. How do you define "free"? By "free", I believe you mean a "best" decision based on knowledge of all possible outcomes and scenarios , ie. to be able to see all the consequences of a choice, and so to freely choose a path fully accepting the consequences (which would necessitate knowledge of all contributing factors and their relationships). But such a scenario is impossible as one cannot ever hope to attain such intricate knowledge even for a single decision.
I tried to point out that a society in which people do not have at least a basic level of education cannot be a free one.
I would like to hear this argument.
In general, absolutists are dangerous and can be easily painted into logical corners.
Perhaps you simply have yet to meet a logical absolutist (as I have yet to meet a logical relativist).
(like not accepting the loss of "freedom" in taxation for public schools although it provides the greater good of actually allowing capitalism to work better, reward talent, and lead to less self-perpetuating power structures).
The problem with the "public" education, is that it must serve the "public interest", however that is defined by the current power holders. That is the problem. The education system does not serve "education", but instead indoctrinates a set of classes to perpetuate the economic systems and values of those in power. People aren't "educated", they are trained into desirable patterns of behaviour and trained in reptitive tasks (a.k.a. "skills") they can perform for the benefit of such a person in power. They are also trained to believe that this is a "successful", and thus desirable, life, and the respect given them by attaining a "successful" career further supports and cements these notions. If that's not a self-perpetuating power structure, I don't know what is. I would rather have a less efficient society of free thinkers over a group of mindless sheep. The public education system as it stands will not provide this.
Re:Your First Encounter (Score:2)
Heh. I love the little synchronicities in life. Just these past few days, that's become something of a catch-phrase among myself and my co-workers. "What a maroon. What an ultra-maroon. What a nin-cow-poop."
The world's a big place, big enough for anything. Right now, somewhere, a baby is being born, an old person is dying, and somebody is saying, "What a maroon. What an ultra-maroon. What a nin-cow-poop."
Re:Your First Encounter (Score:2)
It depends on how "dangerous" is used in context. It's quite likely that the irrational person should be a danger to the rational person, if you interpret "dangerous" to mean "a threat to the rationality of the rational person." How many otherwise rational people have been swayed into irrational opinions or beliefs through the persuasion of an irrational but charismatic individual?
In all people, there appears to be a sort of animal hind-brain that wants to be told what to do. Sentience is a burden, and it's one that we are all to quick to shrug off if given half a chance.
Relativists can escape any constraints.
The joke made over lunch today:
Dave: There are no absolutes in our culture. There's an exception to every rule.
Me: Gee, Dave, I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that.
Re:Your First Encounter (Score:2)
Then they weren't very rational to begin with hm?
It is quite possible to foster a habit of constant questioning and skepticism (especially of "authority figures"). Indeed, it is necessary for any hope of true rationality.
Re:Your First Encounter (Score:2)
Bah. Your tautologies hold no interest for me.
Re:Your First Encounter (Score:2)
Ooo... good one. Mind if I quote you on that?
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
This might be funny, if it didn't miss the point quite so much. Atlas Shrugged is a great title; remember who Atlas was? He carried the world on his shoulders. What would happen if the man who carried the world on his shoulders were to shift his burden suddenly?
I really liked Atlas Shrugged. It's a great read, whether or not you agree with the politics or the philosophy. But, in my opinion, the title is far better than the book itself.
An opinion. Fair enough. (Score:3, Insightful)
I've met a few who call themselves objectivists because they've read a chapter or two and think they've confirmed their Nietzchean views. If you've met any of these people and thought "this is objectivism," I can understand your opinion. I trust that it is subject to your ongoing appraisal.
Atlas Shrugged presents neither dystopia nor utopia. Both notions are about the last irrevocable note a culture strikes. It shows the worst in men's spirits and the best -- two cultures. The last note of one isn't irrevocable and the note struck by the other isn't it's last.
Re:Atlas Shrugged Utopia (Score:2)
I got ya Ad-Killer right here!!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Blender and Free fonts (Score:5, Interesting)
People, if a _rendering_ program, that is probably used by a relatively small amount of people, can reach 90% of its goal in four weeks, what can we do about raising funds for fonts, which everyone has an interest in? What we need now is for someone or some organization well-respected within the community to speak up and say, "The pot is open! Come chip in!"
Free fonts? Free Microsoft! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! FREE WILLY (Score:2)
Re:Free fonts? Free Microsoft! (Score:2)
About anti-aliased fonts, and Joel (Score:3, Insightful)
Firstly, all his arguments are against today's common resolutions. When viewed at a half-metre away a 6000x6000 resolution screen would be as detailed as most people can perceive, so there you start to see the limits of his complaint. Now we don't have those types of screens yet, and that should be his complaint. Anti-aliasing itself is perfectly valid, it's the combination of low-resolution and static images that should be blamed, but Joel always uses a wide brush.
Secondly he writes saying that those who like anti-aliasing don't realise how it's blurry. That they're the blind zealot. He creates a weak person and then victoriously knocks them down. The nature of anti-aliasing is blurring. Everyone knows this. More accurately however it's the averaging of detail - as if the scene was rendered at many times the resolution and then scaled down to fit.
He heaps praise on the Microsoft Typography group for 'noticing' that pixels are the units to build fonts out of. In saying so he either ignores or is ignorant of fonts that don't anti-alias at lower resolutions because of their rendering, and the concept of font-hinting which existed long before Microsoft existed.
Not all fonts have to include Chinese (Score:4, Interesting)
Before anyone here says that fonts are easy to make, you're probably forgetting the non-western character sets and the thousands of unicode characters.
Just as there are fonts that specialize in "CJK" (Chinese Japanese Korean) glyphs, there can also be "LGC" fonts for Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic. A good font editor will have the user draw a bunch of glyphs representing A-Z in Latin, the Greek, Cyrillic, and IPA glyphs that do not match the Latin glyphs, and then some diacritics. Then from that data, it'll "compose" glyphs for the first 1500 or so characters in Unicode.
Another optimization: when creating a new glyph, copy parts from similar glyphs and present them to the font designer for further work. For example, from b and p, you get (thorn). From D, you get Ð (edh). From l and n, you get h. From n, you can infer most of m. From f, you get long s, and from long s and normal s, you get ß.
Re:Not all fonts have to include Chinese (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, my point is that designing usable general-purpose fonts is a lot more work than you imply here.
Utopia?? (Score:3, Funny)
p.s. just so that you don't moderate me down as flamebait, I'll say, "I know I'll be moderated down as flamebait for this, but oh well!"
p.p.s According to the unwritten slashdot moderators' code, you must now moderate me up.
Re:Utopia?? (Score:2)
Gee, sounds like the Anonymous Authority [intrepidsoftware.com] logical fallacy. Not something I'd expect from a "logic major". But we'll leave that be.
Are you saying that simply because no one in the philosophy department agrees with Ayn Rand, that she's wrong or that "Objectivism" is not a philosophy? You cannot disregard ideas simply because you (and all your colleagues) hold opposing viewpoints. Acceptance by the establishment is not a measure of usefulness or truth behind anything.
I'm sorry, but the only way you will convince me that her philosophy is dangerous, is by convincing me that logic and reason are dangerous (for suitable definition of "dangerous" of course).
God, now we know why Timothy is so stupid (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:God, now we know why Timothy is so stupid (Score:5, Funny)
Feel good? Or Utopian? There's a difference. (Score:3, Interesting)
Becuase frankly, utopias are fucking boring. Novels that tell a story of triumph against all odds, winning out against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune... those are the stories that speak to the real human condition of fighting adversity. As evidence, consider Dante's writing series. Paradiso is pages and pages of crap about how wonderful heaven is. Boooooring. Inferno is much more interesting reading. (I guess you could say that Inferno is a contra-example to my thesis since the focus of the story is really more on the suffering of the damned than the travel of the main character, but otoh the narrator does travel through the bowels of hell, no doubt a frightening journey, only to return unharmed.)
So in the field of uplifting stories, stories that, like Shawshank Redemption, are of people crawling through a river of shit to come out clean on the other side, I'll toss in Bryce Courtenay's The Power of One [amazon.com] . I read it when I was 14, and honestly I think it's had more of a lasting impact on me than any other written work, Bible included. When the times get tough (and I've had my share of tough times in the decade since then), I think it's that books message of self-reliance and determination that carried me through. (Or at least, like a boxer, I would have gone down swinging if I had...)
Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... (Score:2)
Someone has to pay. If it's not pop ups it'll be something else.
Why do people continue to believe that the internet is free and always will be free?
We don't have a micropayment system in place, so web site operators need to generate revenue somewhere.
Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... (Score:2)
If my TV stopped playing my show and froze on an ad where I couldn't change the channel, I would throw it out too.
Advertising only works when it is tactful and entertaining, not when it is disruptive and annoying.
Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... (Score:2)
There is a simple and fullproof way for all browsers to view the internet without pop-ups. Don't visit the offending sites. Click on the ad banners of sites that don't use pop-ups. Buy products from sites that don't use pop-ups. In short, prove that pop-ops are not worth the trouble they cause. Because most web advertisers have come to realize that pop-up advertisements are the only way to pay the bills and make putting that content online worthwhile.
Re:Didn't know we came up with Micro Payments ... (Score:2, Interesting)
It's not that people expect the 'Net to be free. It's just that people want to be able to look at a web page without being irritated by garish flashing pictures that appear at random.
"Why do people continue to believe that the internet is free and always will be free?"
People don't believe that the Internet is free and always will be. What they believe is that they should be able to pay a reasonable price to an ISP for access to a worldwide network.
georouting as a procmail antispam rule.. (Score:5, Informative)
procmailrc.antispam.txt [rage.net]
-- Greg
Ayn Rand was a wack-nut-fruit case (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriousuly, her utopia is not only deeply flawed, but her writing sucks. I mean, come on, did anyone really buy into those 20-minute long monologues that folks like D'Anconia have at dinner parties while everyone stands in silence and listens to his tedious diatribes?
The Fountainhead was much better (Rand was able to resist her temptation to "tell" not "show" a bit better), but even that work was deeply flawed, both from a literary perspective and from a philosophical one. Still inspiring in many ways, but seriously flawed.
She was rejected by 40 publishers for a reason.
I have no problem subscribing to the "less government" view of the world, but Objectivism is strictly out.
I got ya Ad-Killer right here!!! (Score:2, Interesting)
Seriously, why all the big hoo-haa about the removal of popups when it's easy to install some unobtrusive trustworthy software which destroys them without you even noticing?
Re: (Score:2)
I just donated my $5... (Score:2)
Re:I just donated my $5... (Score:2)
Yup, as do I. That is why I'm a TransGaming subscriber. [transgaming.com] I don't game much, and what I do play has Linux ports out (Q3A, Tribe2, etc.), but I like what they are doing and support them with my 5 bucks every month (OK, I missed one month when my CC got reissued and I forgot to update that with them, but...). That's why I usually buy Linux (well, the major versions anyway like MDK 8.0, SuSE 8.0, etc.). And when there is no buying available, I'll happily donate some spare cash to them (like Gentoo for instance).
On a related note... (Score:4, Interesting)
Just like the argument for bayesian analysis of SPAM, reason-based analyis of trolls is fundamentally flawed, as can be seen by the broken "lameness" filters. A neural network/bayesian approach would probably work much better at finding the features trolls have in common. Slashdot could mark likely trolls automatically after they are analyzed by the system, and users could filter "likely troll" in their user preferences page. But mostly, this would be a cool project to do, and I wish CmdrTaco would be more willing to allow direct database access for academic projects. Screen-scraping is not an attractive prospect.
Re:On a related note... (Score:5, Interesting)
recognize trolls among legitimate messages, which sounds nearly
impossible, and yet you balk at doing something extremely easy,
i.e. cutting and pasting messages into an editor for a few days or
weeks. You'd be doing the world a huge service if you could solve the
troll/spam problem; go for it. Don't let lack of direct access to a
database slow you down.
I go with Plato (Score:2)
It's no where near as long as a modern novel and well worth reading just to see the genesis of Utopian thought
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Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding (Score:4, Informative)
Leto
Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding (Score:2)
Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding (Score:2)
Re:Bayes Rule spam implemention *and* seeding (Score:2)
Feel Good Fiction? (Score:2)
If anyone's interested, I'll be combining them in a bound volume for only $19.95 a copy, per year, per seat.
Utopia vs. Dystopia (Score:3, Informative)
Compare Aldous Huxley's dystopian Brave New World to his later utopia, Island. Moral ambiguity is replaced by self-righteousness, the bitter irony of the "savage" who represents an alternative world-vision in BNW is replaced by the one-sided Theosophists who form the opposition in Island. And the soul-killing drug, "soma," is replaced by the enlightening "moksha medicine," without any very convincing explanation of what makes one drug better than another.
Or compare H.G. Wells's classic early works, starting with the speculative dystopia of The Time Machine, with his preachy late utopia, The Shape of Things to Come.
Or read some of the classic socialist utopias of the late nineteenth century, Morris's News From Nowhere or Bellamy's Looking Backward. No plot, no conflict, just the slow exposition of the author's vision for a new world, along with castigation of the stupidity or greed of those among the author's contemporaries who did not share his vision.
Books about the process of creating utopia tend to be somewhat better; I enjoyed Wells's In the Days of the Comet, and Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is something of a classic, describing the fight to create a libertarian society on the moon. But that class of books allows for direction and struggle in a way that pure utopian novels do not.
Regarding blender (Score:2)
NaN Holding recognizes that, giving all circumstances and the current economic situation, moving on with Blender to this next stage will be the most beneficial thing to do, to protect past investments, but also to respect everything that has been realized until now by the NaN companies and the world-wide user community.
NaN Holding being the current owner of blender, and supposedly seeing open source as the way to go... then what am I missing here? Why does the blender fund exist for the purpose of purchasing a development license from NaN?? Bueller?
Utopia (Score:2)
The Songs of the Distant Earth by Arthur C. Clarke.
The story chronicles the happenings of two human civilisations: One, founded in the remote planet of Thalassa, colonized by humans in a distant past. The Thalassans live in peace and harmony, thought their lives are a bit dull. The other civilisation is a group of people from Earth who are just "passing by". The conflict arises when these two civilisations meet one another and...
Here is the link at Amazon -- check out the reviews. [amazon.com]
Cheers!
EUtopia...sort of. (Score:2, Informative)
Ursula K. LeGuin's _The_Dispossessed_ is IMHO one of the best Utopian novels in print; especially since it avoids the flaws so many have already pointed out, namely, vociferous self-righteousness and non-existent human struggle.
In a nutshell: physics genius from ascetic, cooperative anarchy on a quasi-prison planet travels to hedonistic, fragmented neighbor planet to revolutionize science across the galaxy.
That summary is just SO inadequate...
-ELfRe:Utopia...sort of. (Score:2)
But I digress. "The Dispossessed" gets mentioned in the same breath as these. I'd already read it three or four times growing up and since. I think the key feature which the above summary misses is that from which the title is taken: citizens of Annares do not acquire or keep personal possessions. The other world is more or less like ours, politically and economically. This was in LeGuin's heavy dualist period, shortly after "Left Hand of Darkness". It owes much to LeGuin's admiration for Paul Goodman [pitzer.edu].
For what its worth, every time I reread it, I find the language more beautiful and the human conflicts (whichever critic claimed it lacks them needs to read it again--or perhaps for the first time) more rivetting.
Utopia - L. Neil Smith's "The Probability Broach" (Score:2, Interesting)
Seriously, Smith has written over 20 books with libertarian themes carried to their logical conclusions. They aren't preachy, but darn good plots and good characters you can actually like.
Second place goes to anything by Heinlein.
Read about it here [amazon.com].
Good god...Atlas Shrugged? (Score:2)
Re:Good god...Atlas Shrugged? (Score:2)
Atlas Shrugged: The book every haughty IB student seems to think encompasses the end-all and be-all of social philosophy.
I did like her play "On the Night of January 16th" though (er, if that's what it was called... I don't remember...).
Pop up stopper does it for me.... (Score:2)
Utopia (Score:2)
Laugh if you want, but as a member of this society you would likely be very happy and want for little.
Brave New World as Utopian... (Score:2)
Utopian novel suggestion (Score:2, Informative)
Socialist realism == Utopian writing (Score:2)
Ironic that the Soviet socialist regime would produce canonical utopian writing while simultaneously providing creative material for truly disturbing stories like Nabokov's Bend Sinister.
Is it too late to weigh in with Bend Siniter as my vote for a distopian novel? It is the sort of book you read exactly once.
Uptopian novels (Score:2, Informative)
Here are my favorites, with political viewpoints that range from conservative to libertarian to anarchist to socialist:
Utopias are becoming more important as people become more powerful (e.g., computers, genetics, potential global prosperity), since the future is going to be largely be something we create rather than just witness. This makes dystopias more important too, but as cautionary tales rather than defeatist predictions.
Another novel I like that contains all the elements -- a utopia, a dystopia, and our present time (that will determine which path is taken) -- is Woman on the Edge of Time by Marge Pearcy
Utopian novel: (Score:3, Interesting)
I have been told that it was the basis for Brave New World in some form or another, but it might just be Skinner's ideas that Huxley was borrowing from/parodying.
I suppose you could count the original Walden (which has no relation to Walden II beyond the idea of utopia), but living alone doesn't qualify as Utopia...after all, the reasons that Utopias fall apart are...other people.
Sartre was right, after all.
Also, the concept of "Utopia" is usually written about for the sense of irony...reference 1984...plus we can find lots of stories like Animal Farm: good intentions turned to mud by human flaws. The point of Utopia, from a writers view, is to trample on it, generally. Take that for what it's worth.
--ryan.
Utipoia as Dystopia (Score:3, Interesting)
Rarely known utopia - Ecotopia (Score:2)
Earthlink should offer WebWasher (Score:2)
So far, WebWasher has removed 270,110 banner ads for me. Including the ones on Slashdot. WebWasher can double the speed of page loads on dialup connections, just by eliminating the ad traffic. Yes, a few sites detect WebWasher, but you probably don't want to look at them anyway.
WebWasher needs some work; the individual version isn't being updated. But it's still ahead of the competitive products.
After using WebWasher for a year, I've almost forgotten that the Web used to have advertising.
Kim Stanley Robinson, Utopia (Score:2, Insightful)
some Utopian novels (Score:2)
Danny.
A list of Utopias from my senior course... (Score:4, Informative)
Utopia - Thomas Moore
Dispossessed - Ursula K. LeGuin
Ecotopia - Ernest Callenbech (sp?)
Looking Backward - Edward Bellamy
City of God - St. Augustine
The Republic - Plato
State and Republic - V.I. Lenin (not a utopia per se, but an example of someone trying to implement one in the real world...).
There are a lot of utopias that are not central the book they're in, but are there nonetheless. An obvious one that spring to mind is the Lotus-Eaters in Homer's Odyssey. Mythology has an abundance of them: Shangri-La? Xanadu? Atlantis?
Many of these are a little more historical than the ones I've seen posted so far. In many of them what you're reading is the author trying to tell you that they've figured out what society should be like, and postulating that if we all ran out and implemented their proposed society we'd have heaven on earth. Half the fun of reading them is figuring out whether they will work, or why they won't.
Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper (Score:2)
Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Panicware Pop-Up Stopper (Score:2)
Never had to use a terminal much have you?
It's one of the more useful keys on the keyboard.
Here's a possible way. (Score:3, Interesting)
In fact, I think such a script may actually be worth writing. Hmmm. Does anyone have snort logs or something of the mechanism their probes use, or am I gonna have to write a full SMTP implementation?
Re:Here's a possible way. (Score:2)
(Rubbing hands and chortling with glee)
Re:follow states like washington... (Score:2)
Re:follow states like washington... (Score:2, Informative)
Then you turn it over to a collection agency. When they manage to collect you get like 50% of it or something, and if they can't track down the guy or he has no assets, it doesn't cost you anything.
Or you can try to track them down yourself and put a lien on their property, but that's a lot of work.
Re:Earthlink Popup Blocking (Score:5, Informative)
There are many people who don't know about popup-blockers. Joe and Jane SixPack, living in Farmtown, Minnesota, simply don't know anything different. "That's just the way it is, isn't it?" 500,000 usernames are subscribed to Slashdot. That leaves only 99,500,000 other internet users.
When Earthlink comes around and says "We promise no more pop-ups" this can actually awaken something within them that says "Hey, what a good idea. I'd pay for that." So they do.
Over 90% of the users have EVERYTHING default on their PCs.
Re:feel good lit (Score:2)
I would hardly call a universe in which a planet is destroyed to make way for an interstellar bypass, with the occupants being told that they had a chance to view the plans in another galaxy somewhere, as Utopia.
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