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just what i want... (Score:2, Funny)
ipaq pad? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:ipaq pad? (Score:1)
Neither of these is accurate. The graphic in the article seems to be a very crude computer generated image of vaporware. Not a picture, not a prototype.
But, oh yeah, I'll grant you "giant iPaq".
Good for Transmeta, but..... (Score:3, Insightful)
"It's a drug that gives worms to ex-girlfriends!"
Exactly.
Re:Good for Transmeta, but..... (Score:3, Informative)
I can work on cgi scripting or c programs. I can take notes in class with it. It's great for playing mp3s -- through the speaker or headphones, or miniplug-tape adapter. I can even use it to andmininster my server from the road (pcmcia e-net card).
It even runs Xwindows using a wm designed for PDAs.
Tablets have uses. Mine is cheaper and more powerful than a PDA or an MP3 player, although it it slightly less portable. Plus it gives me an excuse to practice writing pen drivers for Linux.
Re:Good for Transmeta, but..... (Score:1)
Re:Good for Transmeta, but..... (Score:2)
Another touch screen? (Score:1)
Re:Another touch screen? (Score:2)
Seriously though, when done well, touch screens can be great. Sorry, but Palms are overpriced electronic organizers, and not designed to be used as 'real' computers. If "casio pocket computers" run PocketPC there are a few programs, like CalliGrapher, that would make it great to use, but since you're identifying it by it's brand name rather than something useful like the platform, I can't be sure.
With good real handwriting recognition (not graffiti, or some other character recognition scheme)- like CalliGrapher (for PocketPC), PenOffice (for Windoze), or the Newton OS 2.x HWR one can enter text quite fast. I can easily enter 45+ WPM on my Newton. I could probably get faster than that on my iPAQ running CalliGrapher 6 if the screen weren't so damn small.
But then again, I wouldn't pay a $1000 premium for something as bulky as this, no doubt without decent software to manage input. I suppose you could install PenOffice on top of Windows XP, which is what this no doubt comes preloaded with. However, there is no real HWR for Linux, which is disapointing.
Re:Another touch screen? (Score:2)
Why is it that everyone on slashdork that complains about other people's spelling, grammar, and usage of punctuation--or lack thereof--still can't figure out how to use a goddamn apostrophe?
Re:Another touch screen? (Score:2)
Re:Another touch screen? (Score:2)
Re:Another touch screen? (Score:1)
My
new pricing structure (Score:5, Funny)
Re:new pricing structure (Score:1)
Linux drivers yet? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm assuming we'll be force fed Windows XP, but with a Transmeta processor, you can always hope.
Re:Linux drivers yet? (Score:4, Informative)
It's really slick.
So, let me get this straight... (Score:2, Troll)
Seriously, isn't this whole idea pretty much useless without handwriting recognition? I've seen nothing to suggest that anyone has that working yet...
Re:So, let me get this straight... (Score:4, Informative)
No, a tablet already has many uses without handwriting recognition. Aside from the normal PC programs that can be used, you have a great form-factor for a nice webpad, a nice ebook.
I've seen nothing to suggest that anyone has that working yet...
Microsoft is well on the way to introducing hand-writing recognition in one of their upcoming OS's, which is one reason they are rolling these out now. I think there is more information about this technology on research.microsoft.com [microsoft.com].
Re:So, let me get this straight... (Score:1)
A lot of this is already possible with PDAs, but a tablet PC would give you more processing power combined with a much larger display.
Re:So, let me get this straight... (Score:2)
In fact I have a copy right here.. windows 3.11 for Pen computing.
it works better than the palm's handwriting recognition. and is from 1989.
so microsoft doesnt have to work on it, it's already there.
Re:So, let me get this straight... (Score:2)
Handwriting has worked ever since rosetta back on the newtons.
And worst case, you always have grafitti.
Re:So, let me get this straight... (Score:1)
their guts but thats one area where theyll
be unbeatable for a while... they really put money
on it and now its really paying off....
One of the few areas where MSResearch actually does something else than sticking their thumb up their ass.
Alex
Re:So, let me get this straight... (Score:2)
You also asked how useful these devices could be without handwriting recognition? I'm a graphic designer and I am anxiously awaiting the time when I can buy one of these so I can sketch away from my desktop workstation. I want to be able to see what I am drawing, unlike the experience I have with my Wacom Intuous tablet. While the Intuous is great, I feel disconnected from what I'm drawing. I could either buy one of these devices or the new Wacom Cintiq but then I couldn't draw sitting in the park on a nice day like today.
I also read. I would like to be able to take an MS eBook or Adobe Acrobat Reader book along with me on the public transportation here in Boston. I would like to read in bed without having to turn on a light behind me or use one of those crappy book lights. Currently my PocketPC fills in for this purpose but it would be nice to have a larger screen and a laptop computer just doesn't interest me; not with these Tablet PCs around the corner.
Re:So, let me get this straight... (Score:1)
Sheesh.
Wee (Score:1)
(mmm. 1GHz in a tablet sounds mighty tasty).
It isn't as good as it sounds. (Score:1)
I am a coder; give me a c-compiler, a decent text editor, and I'm happy. Hell, give me a 4mhz calculator with a meg and a half of ram and an RPL interpreter and I'll be happy. But I need a keyboard. It is painfully slow to program on a calculator keyboard, and a virtual keyboard is so muc worse. I would be willing to trade my tablet for an equivalent lappie anyday.
All the best for Transmeta (Score:3, Insightful)
But, when we see real pressure from multiple directions, we might see these companies develop something truly revolutionary, currently they don't have to - they just don't. A market situation in which Intel would have only around 40% slice, would nurture much more speedy development.
buyout... (Score:1)
Market (Score:1, Interesting)
Pictures here? (Score:5, Informative)
Compaq Tablet PC Design Concept [microsoft.com]
Here is Compaq's page [compaq.com] which talks about this thing.
(Remember kids, it's not karma-whoring if you're already at 50.)
3 Cheers for Transmeta! (Score:1)
1GHz? (Score:2)
A little offtopic, but I'd be really happy if someone would come out with a cheap, lcd, even if text only, telnet 'terminal' that could plug right into the network, not even wireless, for $50 DHCP or static addressing, DNS, telnet, nothing else. I'd buy a few of those. Fast power-on would be the key. Many times I want to just check the mail on my main server at home without having to power up the main box. I can use the palm pilot, sure, but the limited display and lack of keyboard are a PITA.
handwriting recognition (Score:1)
Re:handwriting recognition (Score:1)
Re:1GHz? (Score:2)
Look at the opportunities, man.
Still way out of most people's reach (Score:3, Insightful)
All I want is a wireless, tablet-sized device that will allow me to surf the web from anywhere in my house, wirelessly connecting to my LAN, and I would like to see it for below $1000. I don't need Windows XP, I won't be playing games or doing video production on this thing! I just want to surf the web!
I can't help thinking. (Score:1)
If you want a tiny Transmeta Computer... (Score:5, Insightful)
...go for Fujitsu's P-2000 Laptop [fujitsupc.com] with a 7-hour high capacity battery, DVDROM, and a wireless LAN card.
IMO, pads do and shall always suck, primarily because of the inherent frailty of an exposed screen. Sure, the screens on notebooks fail all the time too, but at least when not used they're folded shut & semi-protected. In this specific comparison, I see no reason to use some frail theoretical webpad when I can rely on existent notebook technology to carry around a computer so fucking small (10.6"(w) x 7"(d) x 1.59"(h)), smaller than the form design for most webpads, that lets me do anything my desktop does.
And everyone seems to bitch about wanting a "more natural" interface. From an anthropological perspective, there is no "more natural", there's just what you're used to -- the human animal can express ideas in multitudes of ways, and when it come to writing what I'm used to is thinking as I type about 90wpm. Writing with a pen on a notepad anymore feels feels like I've got a 25mph governor on a Ferrari. It's infuriating, and it doesn't get any better when you're dealing with some shit handwriting software - I haven't seen a single handwriting recognition program that wasn't a bitch to use and didn't make constant mistakes. Blah blah Graffiti blah blah - Graffiti isn't handwriting recognition software in the true sense of the term. Too many hardware people are obsessed with producing something because they thought of it in a Star Trek wet dream. People LIKE the keyboard. Look at the Blackberry. Look at the new Handspring Treos. How many people still peck at the keyboard with the stylus on their Palm PDAs? We have PDA makers trying to fit keyboards into tiny-ass PDAs & phones, people like them so much. Except for a few niche areas webpads are still a product looking for a market. Except for being bigger and having less battery life, what is a webpad going to do that a good color PDA doesn't? I may be being contrary, but these are serious questions that manufacturers need to consider before going to market with another damned Audrey [com.com].
No electronic pad has ever been made so far that didn't suck. Who knows? Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but I think the notebook is always going to be a league ahead of the notepad, and for the reasons above. Until I see a pad that alot of people prefer to notebooks, it's still vapor.
Possible fix? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:If you want a tiny Transmeta Computer... (Score:2)
Also, I would wager that one will be able to purchase a special case much like you can purchase laptop and PDA cases today. I'm sure there won't be nay problems being able to properly protect these devices either direct from the manufacturers or through third parties.
not a good form factor (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Suddenly your input area costs beaucoup power, since it's a display.
2. handwriting, at its fastest, is still very slow compared to typing.
3. almost every child knows how to use a qwerty keyboard already -- who are we appeasing by removing the keyboard, except possibly boomers who haven't had to type since college?
4. display is always exposed to elements, rough handling, etc.
5. ergonomics are terrible; this thing will need to be peered down at and then written on. Will the user put it at a diagonal? will it have some sort of stand?
I'm sure y'all can think of others. The prime benefit, i guess, is being able to use a stylus directly on the surface you're viewing. Doesn't sound worth it to me, a Faustian bargain at best.
Yay (Score:1)
Too bad the thing won't run Linux native tho. (Does Linux even support something like this?)
fuss about handwriting recognition (Score:1)
I do NOT know what is the great deal about handwriting recognition... I mean, have anyone here ever used any implementation thereof (beside the funky palm "learn another alphabet" deal...
so far, natural language recognitions i have used has been sketchy at best (and yes i am using "award winning" ones)... same is to be said about the chinese version, for those who are interested.
EVEN IF such a tablet is to be used as a browser -- still once in a while i need to type in addrs -- if you argue that i would have everything book-marked -- well, at least you need to type in search phrases! and instead of wasting 3 minutes to type (or say) "www.slashdot.org" (imagine how the voice recognition will totally botch this up -- thanks Taco), it would be much faster to just type it out; and i don't mean on-screen keyboard picking tiny buttons with a stylus deal -- With the current technology: slow and sketchy handwriting recognition, even more sketchy voice recognition, and not-so-precise touch screen, i do not see how such a product would fly and make my life easier -- especially if there is a grand worth of premium. i mean, browsing of the couch is nice, but i can do the same thing with a laptop right now ANYWAY... and as mentioned above, i do not see why i would waste all the extra time inputting addresses / whatever.
furthermore, usually i think people type faster than they write, even those who are not all THAT good at typing... I type ~60wpm (used to be 90, but speed hasn't picked up since switched to Dvorak) -- so i would have a 2-3x speed advantage if i wanted to work on a document on the couch using a laptop vs using a tablet (even it if had 100% accuracy and zero recognition delays)... so...
where is the advantage again? (besides being "neat?")
p.s. Vadem Clio (sharp tri-pad) can do all of this, by the way -- before any of you go spend a fortune on one of the HP/CPQ offerings, get a clio from ebay that does everything the new tablets offer, and see if it really means an easier life -- and the clio HAS a keyboard...
so... on the other hand -- keep america rolling by spending money on un-necessary stuff...
Re:fuss about handwriting recognition (Score:1)
Tablets ..another bid by MS to beat open source? (Score:1)
Others here have pointed to OSS efforts regarding handwriting recognition, but it seems to me that given their huge R&D budget, a highly complex and refined user interface could be just the thing MS uses to further the dominance of their OS architecture.
Let's face it -- as much as I love Linux -- the refined nature of the Windows shell (which drives me batty but doesn't my parents) is something a lot of people won't give up for the switch to *nix (see excitement regarding Aqua).
Could this be their intended killer-app? I personally don't think it will work, but should they strike this ball out of the stadium (meaning, delivering a fine technical and user-oriented platform at a particularly appealing price), could this be a serious threat?
One other thing to note -- true Linux advocates tend to be command line junkies. I can type much faster than I can use the mouse. I can easily remember nice complicated command line arguments and do what I need with precision and speed. The average mouse-dependent sysadmin might love a tablet for configuring ISS... not sure we'll ever have an interface to use point and click to configure DNS, Apache, etc (OS X developments notwithstanding).
Battery life? (Score:1)
Previous review I have seen of cute Crusoe based machines (e.g. Somy C1 Picture Book) have said that the battery life is better than an average laptop, but hardly astonishing - a gain of something like 20%.
That is definitely the biggest disadvantage of machines such as the Compaq Ipaq already, and I don't see that putting a 1GHz processor in is going to help.
-s
Apple Newton's big brother (Score:1)
Portable computers (Score:1)
why??? (Score:2)
Why? people dont want them, not for the insane prices they are asking. If you can make me a tablet web browesr that has a pcmcia slot has a smallish (800x600) LCD that is clear and readable in the dark as well as full-direct-sunlight. I dont want the ability to run java, javascript, flash, or other crap like that. just render HTML 4.0 and it has to cost less than $400.00
otherwise the product will be an utter failure.
This is nothing but history repeating it's self.