Third Time Lucky for OPN 119
DanielS writes "We finally converted OPN to use dancer-ircd at about 7:40 last night (AEDT - UTC+11) - and this time it's staying! The conversion was successful, apart from some minor services wrinkles which we had to iron out. If you have any issues with channels/services/whatever, please pop by #conversion and /notice one of the ops, and we'll eventually wake up and help you. Happy IRCing! :)" He's talking about irc.openprojects.net- also worth checking out irc.slashnet.org.
dns (Score:1)
Re:dns (Score:1)
#you have been banned for spamming.
Re:dns (Score:1)
--
maznaz
developers network (Score:1)
Re:developers network (Score:1)
Actually I'm a FreeBSD zelot, not a linux zelot.
but with your bitter attitude... I'd have no trouble banning you.
I think mark Twain said it best: "the whole world knows your a fool, but when you open your mount, you remove all doubt."
So go ahead, open your mouth, and confirm your foolishness some more. =)
BTW - irc.linux.com isx just one node in the OPN network. If your so ready to jump to conclusions based on things you dont' know... then I should have just said go to irc.openprojects.net, with no "linux" in the name.....
Re:developers network (Score:1)
hahaha
;-)
Re:developers network (Score:1)
Nobody takes you serriously, seeing how your comments just keep getting moderation points in the negative.
I think Sun Microsystems** takes BSD serriously, as well as HP considering both companies based their products on BSD. Not to mention the thousands of ISP's out there who are BSD based too, as this is FreeBSD main customer. I could go on, and on.... example after example...
Thanks for pointing out my typo's.... hehehe.
However, I don't see how your choice of topics has anything to do with IRC, or the OPN network?
Did you have anything inteligent to say, or were you just looking to get a jolly rise out of bashing on people ?
** = SunOS
Re:developers network (Score:1)
Thanks for pointing out my typo's.... =)
Re:Explain to me please... (Score:1)
yeah right...
=)
Minor service wrinkles??? (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:Minor service wrinkles??? (Score:2)
Please check better before clicking the drop-down list and pressing the "Moderate" button next time.
Treat it like slashcode (Score:3, Funny)
... it'll crumble in a week and forget who you are from time to time.
Support (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Support (Score:1)
And quite costly too!
But as of about 7 years ago EFnet opened my world.. gave me an incentive to learn tcl, perl and c so I could confgiure, adapt and expand the capabilities of eggdrops. I know.. !seen isn't much to boast about.. but a door is a door none-the-less. And that was an important door.
Now a day when you mention irc, the first response you get from people is "Oh yeah! Yahoo!" hehe.. um, no! I wish the best of luck to this project and I fully support their effort.
Re:Support (Score:1)
That reminds me of a new feature. Set umode +I (note the capitalization) and you will not receive invites. Nice huh?
Thanx Crewe (Score:1)
huh? (Score:1, Troll)
The memories (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The memories (Score:1)
Remember what they say: (Score:2)
- A.P.
Nazi ops (Score:3, Informative)
It could be your choice of nick they don't like, it could be that you argue with them and they don't like your opinion,
Troubles with being a new op (Score:2, Informative)
Don't do ANYTHING!
Don't kick, don't ban, don't change topic. Just treat yourself as a regular member of that channel. Then staying an op becomes rather easy. Second, don't engage in "joking" with your op powers for the first month at least. This means doing such things as kicking yourself rather than using
-Evan
Re:Troubles with being a new op (Score:1)
Re:Nazi ops (Score:1)
Listen up kids, it's just IRC. Being kicked/banned/called names on IRC doesn't mean shit in the scheme of things. If you're going to get so upset over this, you should really go outside and re-adjust your priorities.
No one puts a gun to your head to join any certain channel or use any IRC network. If you don't like the people or ops or scenery, don't go there. I don't feel like sitting around watching a bunch of Linux/Open Source zealout weenies, so I don't hang out on slashnet. That easy.
Re:Nazi ops (Score:2)
> I don't feel like sitting around watching a bunch
> of Linux/Open Source zealout weenies, so I don't
> hang out on slashnet. That easy.
But, you do read slashdot. =)
-1 Troll (Score:5, Funny)
So there.
Sense of humor (Score:2)
Sour grapes (Score:1)
Aw, sour grapes.
I've never had a problem with the ops in the channels I frequent, and I've never seen you in any of those channels. Hardly surprising.
Stay out of #kick-me and you'll be fine.
In my favourite channel on OPN one of the operators kicks people when she's in a good mood, and never out of spite. She averages about 10 kicks a week.
If you find yourself getting kicked out of a channel, then go find another one. Or perhaps read their kick messages.
Re:Sour grapes (Score:1)
How could you tell? You don't know which nicks I use.
Looks to me that you're taking this personally. I don't give much of a fuck, I'm just noticing a trend. I've stayed away from IRC altogether because of this "op" bullshit, I used to frequent #perl on (if I remember properly) Undernet or something, and there was one episode that drew me away: that op who had decided that you could'nt post code. Ok, I can understand not posting 12s of lines of code, but the guy would kick for posting a single line. So I gave up on IRC.
Then I came to openprojects since I saw it featured on slashdot, used it a bit, and noticed the same kind of bullshit, again. Admittedly, it's not that frequent, but I've seen it happen. Not just to me. You're in a conversation on a technical topic, and then you see that the person you're talking to has been kicked for such a stupid reason as "gay nick" or "offensive nick" or some other ridiculous and subjective "offense".
Ops have that tendency to find a lot of things "offensive". Nobody with half a brain gives a damn fuck when you're there to talk about graphic cards, but that sensible, nazi op. And that bugs me.
So yeah, "you" have not witnessed this, maybe "you" are an op and you share that "holier than thou" attitude, maybe you enjoy the moralizing bullshit, I don't know, it's still a fact of life: "op" priviledges tend to make some people behave like dickheads.
Re:Sour grapes (Score:1)
I think you proved my point quite nicely. Thank you.
When in Rome, do as the Romans. Use #flood for pasting code.
I'm not an op, but if I caught you talking about graphics cards in #perl I'd be sure to say something.
Re:Sour grapes (Score:1)
Sigh. What a stupid bitch. Can't you just fucking read what you're replying to? The guy I'm talking about kicked people for pasting a single line of perl code. Capicce?
Re:Nazi ops (Score:1)
OPN Operators: "Responsibility not Privilege" (Score:2)
To take a page out of OPN guidelines for catalysts: [openprojects.net]
Whenever we do invoke a privilege against someone it is because they are going out of their way to ignore OPN's (optional) channel guidelines [openprojects.net] and/or additional guidelines of that channel. #debian's own guidelines can be accessed by [/msg apt guidelines].Catalysts will always endeavour to take the time to carefully explain to someone how they are out of line with channel guidelines and mediate between opposing parties before using privileges are a last resort When possible, one catalyst will consult with another before this stage is even reached.
We try not to let our own personal emotions or beliefs get in the way of channel administration. Our role isn't to control the discussion by kicking out people who are 'on the other side of the fence' (and thus cause envy), but to keep channels calm and keep them public by members of the open source community and the public.
If you do have a legitimate complaint against an catalyst in future, what I suggest you do is approach the other catalysts within that channel [/msg chanserv access #channel list]. Most are appointed and dismissed by the consensus of a majority of other catalysts within a channel. If your complaint is legitimate, then other catalysts will reprimand him/her and may revoke their access if necessary in future. If you are still unsatisfied, then you may take it to higher levels such as those within the #openprojects for reconciliation.
OPN does not take lightly to access abuse as action such as what you have described would be very detrimental to the reputation of the OPN community as a whole. OPN is there to "provide an interactive environment for free software and open source projects and support groups", and we will always try to make everyone feel like they can be a welcome part of this community.
Typo correction. (Score:1)
Just a few notes to everyone (Score:5, Informative)
I'm dent on Open Projects, and I'm the one who has been the manager for the conversion project [opn.ca].
The conversion has gone mostly smoothly this time - service was only down on each server for about 5 seconds. The database has been converted including the access lists for channels, which we did not do last time (yes, when the ircd was coring...).
If you are a channel founder who changed the default LEVELS in the old services (which has now been renamed LEVEL), your access lists were converted - but everyone's access level was set to 0 as the new services uses a different trust metric system.
Please also note that the auto-expire functions in services actually work now
If you are a founder and find yourself unable to change the access levels, you may find "/msg chanserv identify #channel yourpasswordhere" will do the trick for you. If not, drop by #conversion and we will be happy to help you.
I'd like to thanks lots of people for help with this project, its been great working with everyone. Not in any particular order, asuffield, jeremy, MysticOne, robster, cdlu, andy, Acapnotic, lilo, netgod, Teknix, John, crystalize, Matt, DanielS, ElectricElf, InnerFIRE, dark, draco, drow, matthewg, peidran, and someone else on #python who helped me with the db conversion who I feel horrible for forgetting their nick, please remind me if you read this
I hope you enjoy this new network code - it has been almost 2 years in the making.
Re:Just a few notes to everyone (Score:1)
thanx
Congrats.. but.. (Score:1)
Problems / Annoyances (Score:2)
- Server sends redundant MODE changes, ie,
*** User1 sets mode: +o Friend
*** User2 sets mode: +o Friend
- Chanserv periodically de-ops everyone in the channel.
- Reliance on identd (shouldn't new ircds be working to deprecate this?)
But otherwise, it seems the same as before.
Re:Problems / Annoyances (Score:1)
Chanserv only de-ops users when it is broken. This is hopefully fixed.
ident is not required, although the rules on what usernames are valid are a bit stricter.
Re:Problems / Annoyances (Score:2)
> they allow users a bit more flexibility. I don't
> see that as a particular problem.
Well, it is annoying in a setting where friends are auto-opping each other, resulting in half a dozen +o messages when someone joins the channel. What is the added benefit?
Thanks for fixing the chanserv bug.
I realize ident is not required -- my point is that the service is extremely outdated and should be deprecated. What is the point of identd support, other than additional network traffic and forcing users to change their lists of hostmasks (to include ~) for access control, etc? Everyone uses fake identd servers these days anyway.
Re:call me a troll but... (Score:2)
And disagreeing with the newsworthieness of a post does not make one a Troll.
Minor Services wrinkles (Score:3, Interesting)
For the most part, things are running fairly smoothly now. Since the services are going to require you to identify yourself at least once a month, it funny watching OPs trying to get forgotten founder passwords replaced for their channels.
Re:Minor Services wrinkles (Score:1)
Just in time for the new release. (Score:1)
I want (Score:1)
It was pointless, time consuming and sometimes even dangerous (exploits and all).
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Umm.... (Score:2)
[irc] Connected to chat.uk.quakenet.org:
[chat.uk] There are 15296 users and 13052 invisible on 45 servers
[chat.uk] 58 operator(s) online
[chat.uk] 37423 channels formed
[chat.uk] I have 424 clients and 1 servers
[chat.uk] Highest connection count: 689 (688 clients)
Our peak user count is in the 40k region, and our main servers handle as many users each as your net has in total.
As far as I know, we've never been mentioned on Slashdot, and I don't really care.
The reason OPN is mentioned is that it is the OpenProjects network, where people like Debian maintainers hang out.
Re:Umm....It's Slashdot's server (Score:1)
The channel #linuxhelp is founded by linux.com which is of VA Software.
It's also connected to irc.debian.org which means that there are a lot of people in #debian.
Furthermore it's the "official" #mandrake server.
And in #redhat are some redhat employees hanging out.
It also has #kernelnewbies of which Rik van Riel is founder I believe.
Re:Umm....It's Slashdot's server (Score:1)
Dancer? (Score:1)
Is the almost identical names here a coincidence or not?
Dancer web page [sourceforge.net]
Re:Dancer? (Score:1)
the name of this daemon yesterday. I did the
Norwegian translation of the bot, so I sure do
remember good, ol' Dancer
Which brings me to an 'ask slashdot' question ... (Score:1)
Any links or bits of information on this would be appreciated.
10:32 UTC - We have reverted (Score:2)
PLEASE IGNORE PARENT COMMENT (Score:2)
Statement on behalf of OPN (Score:3, Interesting)
They're back to using ircu again (Score:1)
blow-by-blow logfile of the conversion attempt (Score:3, Informative)
[S+Z] [Sat Nov 10 18:46:01 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
We're getting ready for another conversion attempt which we hope will
occur sometime before 06.00 OPN time (UTC). Various problems, including
a serious hash table corruption problem, have been resolved. The test
net is currently up on irc.openprojects.net:9000, but the latest
services database has not yet been converted.
[S+Z] [Sat Nov 10 18:47:15 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] We
believe that various access list conversion problems will be resolved
this time around. We'll keep you posted on status. Thanks for your
patience and thank you for using OPN.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 00:54:42 2001] NOTICE: -dent:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Well,
services is up and running on the testnet-soontoberealnet. PLEASE come
and try the testnet out and report any bugs to #OpenProjects. Any OPN
server port 9000. Now is the time we want to find out....
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 01:57:08 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] So that
was an OPN minute, not a real one. Sorry for the delay, we have a few
eleventh hour fixups.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:14:01 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] All
engines tuned and ready. Please get ready for launch, and buckle your
seatbelt. The servers will be converted one by one, with a downtime on
each of about 5 seconds. Thanks for using OPN, and have a nice day.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- Welcome to the new
Open Projects network. We hope you enjoy
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- the new quality of
service that should be provided. If you
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- have any questions /
comments / concerns, please email
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
support@openprojects.net or drop by #OpenProjects.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- For problems with the
new network which require staff help,
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- please drop by
#conversion. If you think another user can
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- help you get going, or
you want to help others, please drop
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- by #conversion.users -
you will probably get a faster
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- response, as there
will be more people there hopefully.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- A note to all founders
of channels and users on channel
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- access lists. You
*must* identify to chanserv at least
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- once every 9 weeks or
your channel will be dropped. There
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- are 1551 channels in
danger of being dropped when channel
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- expiry is re-enabled.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- Daniel Dent
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- dancer-ircd conversion
project manager
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 03:02:42 2001] NOTICE: -dd:>*- Welcome to the new OPN
network!
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 04:48:27 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
The problem with services is being looked at now. Apologies for the
weekend conversion madness, and thanks for using the network. Please
stop by #conversion if you run into any problems. 8)
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 05:06:57 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
The problem with services is still being looked at actively. Apologies
again for the weekend conversion madness, and thank you for using OPN.
Expect some problems with access lists, but things look stable enough to
stay up, so we'll have to bull on through. Please stop by #conversion
if you have any problems!
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 13:30:16 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*- [GlobalNotice] Due to
problems with virtually every channel on the network, I'm considering
re-converting the services database. The changes will fix founder access
to channels, and nickname last user hosts, but will set the database
back 24 hours. If you have any objections please tell me now.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 13:33:05 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*- [Global] Well, there are
certainly lots of objections. I will see about fixing the access
without rolling back the db.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 18:54:34 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
We had a brief configuration problem which resulted in users being told
they couldn't connect without a password. It's been resolved.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 19:46:21 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
Reminder: There were some limitations in the conversion scripting for
chanserv. If you're experiencing channel problems, drop by #conversion.
Thanks.
[S+Z] [Mon Nov 12 01:16:35 2001] NOTICE: -dent:$*- Hello everyone, just wanted
to let you know that channel founders should now have access to their
channel regardless of their prior situation, it has been fixed for every
channel registered. There may still be some access lists which have not
had the levels updated - if you can't contact the founder we may be able
to help you. Anyway, if there are any outstanding issues, please feel
free to come bug us in #conversion.
[S+Z] [Mon Nov 12 04:48:43 2001] NOTICE: -ElectricElf:$*.openprojects.net-
[GlobalNotice] Good morning to everyone in EST, and hello to everyone
else
dancer. We are examining our options, but be assured the bug that caused
us to revert back is known and has been fixed. It is currently being
tested right now. Cross your fingers, please
Slashdot Poll (Score:1)
EFnet
Undernet
IRCnet
DALnet
OPN
Slashnet
[...]
I don't know yet which network i'll run my channel on.
Servers list (Score:1)
brin.darkrealm.net
suburbia.com.au
digital.linux.org.au
slug.progsoc.uts.edu.au
vc.bc.ca
picard.cistron.nl
mlf.linux.rulez.org
as1-5-1.an.g.bonet.se
plate.pkl.net
humbolt.nl.linux.org
netsplit.atnet.at
bilk.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
stampede.org
system1.foundryone.com
agony.evcom.net
The pointers to OPN include irc.debian.org, irc.freshmeat.net, irc.ghostscript.com, irc.gstreamer.net, irc.handhelds.org, openirc.ilrt.org, irc.linux.com, irc.linux.org, irc.linux-mm.org, irc.linux.org.au, irc.newsforge.com, irc.nl.linux.org, irc.kde.org, irc.kernelnewbies.org, irc.mojonation.net, irc.php.net, irc.pocketlinux.com, irc.redhat.com, irc.slackware.com, irc.stampede.org, irc.sourceforge.net, irc.windowmaker.org, irc.winehq.com and irc.zope.net.
Impressive, ain't it?
/me think slashnet should merge with OPN