Galeon At A Glance 148
gatha wrote to us about Galeon, how it actually works and some of its feature set. I've been playing with Galeon now and again - but I've still found that except for a small issue with handling preformatted text, Konqueror has taken over as my web browser of choice.
Re:I could create another compiler to... (Score:1)
(Posting anonymously because you're not worthy of my karma.)
Re:Galeon is getting it right... (Score:4)
Maybe you're looking for K-Meleon [kmeleon.org], which call itself "the Windows answer to galeon"?
Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue (Score:2)
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Re:Galeon (Score:3)
I dumped NS4.7 as my primary browser months ago, and mainly use a combination of Mozilla and Konqueror. I can get to anything on the Web I want. Moz and Konq are both great, and have a somewhat different set of bugs. If a site is unusable on one I go to the other and it generally works great. In general I find Moz to be a bit more stable than Konq, but I like Konq's speed better.
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Re:Antialiasing fonts (Score:1)
Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue (Score:1)
Re:stopped using KDE (Score:2)
Hopefully someday the embedded widget will become lighter weight and easier to integrate into things (not that chris blizzard hasn't done an awsome job already of course!).
Re:Modularity will always win! (Score:2)
However, as a galeon user I feel the need to respond to a couple of points:
While Konq itself is small, it brings with it all of KDE. If you are not in the KDE environment, it seems to take a lot longer than 2 seconds to start up (IIRC) because of all the K* services that it has to run to get itself bootstrapped.
I'm not sure how galeon deals with this (as it probably does a bit of the same in looking for/starting up gnome* services like oafd, etc. However, I don't think it's as bad. Granted, I'm not really up on that whole thing... it works and I use it
Having all the floppy://, audiocd:// etc etc is great, however, all I want is a web browser! Opening up pdfs maybe (as they are common on the web these days), but other than that I don't care to open up word docs (having kword and it's libraries installed significantly bloats the Konq install size I think
Now that all said, the cruft that is needed to run konq in the KDE and QT libs is equalled in the gtk/gnome libs that galeon requires. Of course, one is designed for gnome, and one is designed for kde, and they work better in their respective environments so
Guess it goes back to the "which tool is better for the job" philosophy eh?
Give mozilla a chance. :) (Score:4)
However, I am glad that there are browsers like Konqueror and Galeon out there. Why? Choice! We're getting some pretty kick-ass projects out of some very dedicated individuals, and they're making it harder for people to choose which one to use based on merits. They're ALL good! :) I commend everyone working on thes projects for giving back so much of their time, and giving us choices in the browser market. You developers deserve more thanks than you or your projects get in this kind of forum.
Kudos to you!
skipstone instead of galeon. (Score:1)
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All that glitters has a high refractive index.
Speed? (Score:1)
-Derek
Re:cram it (Score:1)
KDE is plain and simple, the most disgusting user interface experience one could ever have. It is a direct copy of the win9x interface, except it falls way short. The look feel is modeled exactly after win9x, which in itself leaves much to be desired, but QT/KDE just don't get it right.
I dunno, I rather like the QT widget-set and the way it all fits together. Now I don't have a panel and I don't run KDM; I run WindowMaker and thus have a dock; this keeps me far happier than KDM or Win9x/2k ever did.
Yes I know that GTK can be resized just like QT and I agree that GTK is prettier -- they seem to have the lion's share of the icon artists, but the QT widgets work nicer, play nicer and "feel" ten times more functional than the GTK widgetset. I only wish that QT had tear-away menus like GTK.
Poetry (Score:1)
Though I don't agree with you, you have my respect as someone who can so perfectly offend.
Re:stopped using KDE (Score:2)
user 10158 0.0 11.6 45596 29820 pts/0 S Jun25 0:13
Still, it renders so fast and is so stable these days (and RAM is so cheap) that the memory usage seems like a small price to pay for such an excellent piece of software.
Now, I just need Ximian to release their new stuff for Solaris 7 so I can get a working mozilla install at work and get rid of Netscape...
Re:Galeon is getting it right... (Score:1)
Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue (Score:1)
Upgrade to X-4.1 and qt-2.3.1 tro get even prettier faster AA fonts.
The other two matters you mentioned (https proxy and several characters setes on one page) really are matters, but they are not what I would call grave.
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Re:Modularity will always win! (Score:1)
1. It relies only on GPL/LGPL and BSD style software unlike other software that grants special powers to AOL.
2. It is more modular than anything. You have TWO html renderers, the excellent khtml and you guessed it kmozilla, which was only done to show that it can be done. khtml is simply better.
3. Konqueror is very small, it is just a container for all ind of plugins, or kparts as they are called. There exist generic kparts (nspluginviewer) and specialized ones (kdvi). Oh, if you have kword installed, you even open
4. Konqueror makes no difference between all the different protocols. smb networking, ftp, even pop, smtp and ldap can be browsed.
Did I mention audio cd- grabbing (audiocd:/)? Automatic conversion to MP3 and OGG included? Or floppy:/ ? No mounting, just a wrapper around the mtools.
5. Did I mention that it starts up in less then 2 seconds? (KDE-2.2beta1 on AMD Athlon 600, KDE loaded) New windows appear in under one second and are responding.
6. Numerous plugins exist: Web page archiving, Translation, HTML validation, Image retrieval via neural net... Netscape plugins (realplayer and flash) as well as Java and so on work fine.
8. The previews are really nice: Automatic previews for postscript, images, pdf, text, html and brand new, audio lprevlistening (just rest the mouse over an MP3 to hear it).
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So before you think that galeon is modular, have a look at konqueror. This thing is the best.
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QT HAS tear away menues. (Score:1)
So they are not used everywhere in KDE. KDE-2.2beta1 has a Start menue that you can tear off though if you need it on the screen at all times.
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Fixed in KDE-2.2: You can set a font size now. (Score:1)
And calling other peoples gift crap makes you seem like a complete fucker. Maybe you shoudl use windows and see how much bill cares if you say "it's crap"
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I like discussions. (Score:1)
Do you know about netraider and konq_embedded?
If not check them out, just the essential Konqueror:
http://www.konqueror.org/embedded.html
This is not really a fork, just a compilation option BTW!
Download here: http://devel-home.kde.org/~hausmann/snapshots/
Size of the (HTML+Javascript) browser: 1,4 MB !!!! Cool huh?
Another derived project is netraider: http://mandragon.org/raider/
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Upgrade your libraries (Score:1)
AA still had many glitches (remeber it is NEW), most of them disappeared in the past two months.
And to change your homepage, go to the page you want as homepage and go to Window -> Save View Profile -> Web Browsing. Voila, You can even create new view profiles.
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QT is free. (Score:2)
Understood?
And even the QT_Embedded version is you guessed it GPL. Like Linux. Like many cool things you like. It is free software and open source, comprende?
The only thing that is not free software or open ource is the MS Windows version (even though you can since today use it for free for hobby projects). But who cares about Windows?
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Re:Modularity will always win! (Score:2)
Re:Great stuff from Mozilla.org (Score:2)
Someone needs to take Gecko, remove XUL, remove Mozilla and add a decent, smart API (just like Netscape's plugin API, which is, what, 5 functions?) and release that browser only app. Galeon and Skipstone are nice strips of Mozilla, but they still require a lot of Moz parts unfortunately.
Actually, Galeon uses very little Mozilla. It only uses the rendering engine and http/https stuff. It handles its own bookmarks, it uses an external handler to handle downloads. It uses very, very little Mozilla.
Also, if you don't like XPCom (which very few people do), you could just use it as a GTK widget. Yes, Mozilla compiles down to just a regular GTK widget. Then, you don't have to mess with XPCom _at all_.
Gecko is doing a great job. It is still the best rendering engine available. Why don't you trust the Mozilla people? The reason they have so many bug reports is that they count everything a bug that even remotely looks incorrect. Most applications that track bugs that well, (1) take a long time to finish, and (2) have a very large bug database. I imagine if Konqueror classified everything as a bug that Mozilla does, it would have a large bug database, too. I've seen the list of non-standards-compliance tests that Konqueror fails. In Mozilla, each failure would be listed as at least one bug.
Now, I actually like Konqueror, and use it on occasion. But please, Mozilla is aiming high. Don't trash them because their aims are higher than yours.
Re:Great stuff from Mozilla.org (Score:2)
Most definitely. With a terrible framework underneath. Gecko is no longer the "fits on one disk and you're happy" jewel.
I investigated it for a kiosk system and I was not happy. After untarring Mozilla (400+ MB!) and having everything set up I wanted to set up a remote app to control Gecko through XPCOM.
About 14 ns*.h includes, 30 lines of code and hours looking for documentation which was all outdated, I gave up because I couldn'y even register with XPCOM yet. Even the developerWorks tutorials at IBM.com didn't help. :-(
It took me one include file, a few lines of code and about fifteen minutes of searching on the web before I had an application talking to Konqueror.
Someone needs to take Gecko, remove XUL, remove Mozilla and add a decent, smart API (just like Netscape's plugin API, which is, what, 5 functions?) and release that browser only app. Galeon and Skipstone are nice strips of Mozilla, but they still require a lot of Moz parts unfortunately.
Pity Mozilla.org is _seriously_ undermaned (they are complete & utterly bogged down in bugs).
This will be circular, but I now know why: the entrance level of Mozilla coding is too high. Too much code, too little documentation.
Before hitting that -1, Flamebait: yes, I will admit I am a KDE developer and I am biased. But I develop KDE as a hobby and had to make an unbiased decision at work and concluded that while Gecko is a beauty in concept, the Mozilla layer surrounding it destroyed a lot.
Please, someone. Fork Gecko and make it what it was supposed to be. As long as Gecko is maintained by the Mozilla guys, I habe more trust in khtml.
Re:I could create another compiler to... (Score:2)
The trouble with Gnome is it wants to run before it can walk. Nothing ever seems to get finished. Libraries are half-writtten and then dropped in favour of something new.
It's a shame, because I think Gnome could be really good.
Re:Modularity will always win! (Score:1)
Then I guess modularity sucks really. If you can't depend on what you are calling to be correct you have to do it yourself. I personally use Mozilla only for the fonts. Netscape is hideous but actually works better for much HTML than Mozilla. I haven't tried Konqueror in a long time. I may be switching back over from WM to KDE soon.
Dave
Re:Try IE6 (Score:1)
Why Galeon Rocks... (Score:3)
Tabbed Browsing rocks. I don't know how to live without this now. Nor more multiple windows for me. I just middle click links and they start in a new tab. All annoying popups go there too, where I can ignore them.
Re:Galeon can't compete for long (Score:1)
Mozilla/Galeon has been able to use Flash since at least 0.8. I've used this and the RealAudio plugin a number of times (mostly at joecartoon.com
Cheers,
Michael
Re:Konqueror's HTML rendering: too good to be trut (Score:1)
Virtually everyone uses KHTML with Konqueror and thus they are using 100% new code.
Is it still a pig? (Score:1)
as small as Opera, but they can surely do better than that. Anyone has a memory
usage figure for the current Galeon? Thanks.
Re:No konqueror (Score:2)
Yes, we know.... (Score:2)
Every time
So everytime you mention MS and/or Windows, you will go "Yeah, but I use Linux. It is great!" ??
If you use _insert-web-browser-name_, post it in a comment, and get modded down!
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Re:stopped using KDE (Score:2)
Is Mozilla too big? Ok, grab Galleon, which comes with a full-featured Gecko rendering engine, thanks to the over-large Mozilla.
Maybe you don't agree with the specific subset of features that Mozilla had, but because they have a ton, it'll be easier for specialty browsers in the future to have the exact set of features that you want.
Or, if you want an embeddable HTML rendering engine for anything.. Want to do nicely formatted manuals for your application in a platform independent way? Use Gecko to render them, it runs (and produces consistent output) on more platforms than your program will...
Re:Galeon can't compete for long (Score:1)
What you should have said is "as Mozilla gets better, so does Galeon". Which would have been true.
Quite how such an uninformed comment got modded up escapes me entirely....
Re:What's it like? (Score:1)
Also, because of certain brain-dead features of Mozilla, it is often best to run Mozilla as root first, then as a normal user.
MSIE standards? (Score:1)
Re:two cents (Score:1)
Re:KDE vs Gnome vs The rest of the Window Managers (Score:1)
You can use KDE with blackbox (and sawmill/sawfish, and icewm, and TWM...) very easily. If they don't implement the new window manager specification, then you lose some features, but the programs still work.
Re:exactly (Score:1)
now:
'I wasn't implying that KDE sucked or should be tossed, far from it.'
earlier:
earlier:
'KDE is plain and simple, the most disgusting user interface experience one could ever have'
Have you ever used CDE? Better, how about Xaw applications (Xfig, Xmag, etc)? You may not have meant it, but you really pissed me off. Don't insult an entire desktop environment because you don't think you can make it look k3wl enough.
Re:moron! (Score:1)
Smiley noted :). That said - I'm not rabid. I've defended GNOME before from idiot 'KDE RULEZ GNOM SUKS' posters. I just love the fact that *twice* (with GNOME and KDE) a volunteer network of part-time coders has managed to produce someting better than CDE...
But anyway: this discussion was supposed to be about Galeon, so we're both off-topic. Sorry for shouting at you :)
Re:two cents (Score:2)
The mouse won't work in all terminals, though. I've used it in Eterm and the KDE 2 Konsole, which has a full-screen mode, too.
I haven't tried it in the GNOME console but I couldn't use my mouse in mc under it, so I doubt it.
Re:Galeon can't compete for long (Score:1)
Re:Spam (Score:1)
...it's also a *browser*
Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue (Score:1)
Re:Konqueror sucks... (Score:1)
Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue (Score:1)
GTK+ 2 will have antialiasing in all apps, so you can bet that Galeon will. I saw a bit of talk on the Galeon development list about a port to the GTK+ 2 beta, but I don't know if anything will come of it quite yet. Mozilla will have to also be ported to GTK 2 to get antialiasing in the actual web pages.
If you're brave and you feel up to recompiling gtk+, mozilla, and galeon, there are patches available against gtk+ 1.2.9 or later and mozilla 0.9 or later that provide antialiasing. I've got galeon running with antialiased fonts using this approach. The one caveat is that some apps will break. Many of them can be convinced to work by recompiling, some of them (notably nautilus and xemacs-gtk-gnome) can't. If you feel lucky, the patches are at http://www.chez.com/alex9858/gtkaa/ [chez.com]. I'm not currently using them, because I need xemacs-gtk-gnome and I like nautilus, but if anyone's interested I can post source rpms and i386 (rh6.x) rpms.
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Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue (Score:1)
Yes; it's controlled by an environment variable, just like antialiasing in QT.
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The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must cover
Yhtill forever. (R. W. Chambers, the King in Yellow)
Re:cram it (Score:1)
Obviously not
two cents (Score:2)
Judging on my log files for my site, I noticed that obviously the majority was Microsoft, followed by Netscape, then Mozilla Gecko, followed by Konqueror. I've tried Konqueror a while back and it was ok, I dreaded having to download KDE entirely though since I couldn't find konqueror as a standalone, and if I'm not mistaken it doesn't come as a standalone. (who knows I stay away from KDE2)
The browser wars really make little sense to me, for one I can view everything just fine in Netscape under FreeBSD, except Java/Javascripts blow, however when neccessary I fire up Mozilla to quash all problems. My problem with Mozilla is, it's rather (dare I say) bloated, and takes up a lot of resources, hence I guess to each their own.
Opera was cool a ways back, and I haven't tried it in some time, but I've heard, and seen posted there are click me spam ads all over the place. Lynx is great for visiting this site, but all in all I stick with good old faithful Netscape, who always loads my bitches' [antioffline.com] every curve just fine.
Re:KDE vs Gnome vs The rest of the Window Managers (Score:2)
Given the choice, I'd rather use the Gnome Panel than KDE...because although it might have to mount in a corner, it can be made to sit only in the corner. KDE's main toolbar/taskbar/panel always takes up the entire edge you place it on. If they could make it sit in a corner, then perhaps I'd look at it.
I came to linux because I don't like windows - how it looks, how it works (or doesn't). Why would I want a GUI that still looks like it?
http://www.xfce.org/
Small, fast, lightweight desktop environment
Get yours now
Re:Try IE6 (Score:1)
First of all, the later IE's (like 5.5) are a lot more stable than 5.0, so I hope you'll at least upgrade that far.
As for 6.0 having no advances: how about the genuine W3C standards-compliant rendering engine? The main obstacle to implementing this earlier (like in IE5.0) was that it breaks the of non-compliant webpages that have come up over the years. But with IE6, if you include a <DOCTYPE> tag at the top of your page, the browser will -gasp!- render it precisely according to the DTD you claim to be using.
And for backwards compatibility, they still have a copy of the 5.5 engine in there which is the default if you don't specify a doctype. Definitely a bloated approach to solving the problem, but at least it deals with the contradictory needs of a partially-standarized web...
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Re:stopped using KDE (Score:1)
cram it (Score:1)
GTK is the most beautiful widget set I have ever seen. It has it's own unique look and feel. The default theme looks similar to Motif, but it has a much cleaner, fresher look, and it has a feel all of it's own.
As for GNOME itself, I like it. I like the menu panels, and the very configurable edge/corner panels. The icon sets that come with GNOME are 10x better than the ugly cruft KDE comes with.
This is all IMO, and I don't mean to offend any rabid KDE users. KDE is great, I just personally hate it.
As for your opinion that Gnome should close up shop, you can cram it. Who are you to tell them what they should/shouldn't do, it's their project and they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
I'll stick with having choices thank you very much, I much prefer Gnome over KDE.
no, here's a fucking troll morons (Score:1)
This was not a fucking troll, it was my goddam fucking opinion, since when are people supposed to be moderated down for their opinion. All I said was that *____I____* hated KDE and that that was just MY FUCKING ____OPINION____.
I wasn't BAITING anyone, I wasn't INSULTING anyone, I was just STATING the fact that *I* am glad to have a CHOICE in desktop enviornments.
Goddam stupid mother fuckers.
___THIS___ is a fucking troll you fucking dumbass shit for fucking brains cock sucking morons.
moron! (Score:1)
That is out of context. Shortly after that I said that that was simply *MY* opinion and that I was glad there are CHOICES and that I didn't mean to offend anyone.
I gave my reasons for disliking it, but nowhere did I say that everyone should agree with me, I said I was glad to have a choice.
Please, get offended when someone tells you to stop doing work that you love and enjoy, but don't take offense to other peoples' opinions, especially when they say they don't mean to insult you.
You my friend, are a rabid KDE user ; )
Yeah, so, I am a rabid Gnome user ; )
learn to read (Score:2)
You didn't read my whole post, I talked about the theming support in KDE. I think it's a pretty lame attempt at theming, GTK does a hell of a much better job.
But, just IMO. To each his own. I like having choices, choices are good.
ummm... no (Score:2)
I suppose all the Gnome developers, and all the Gnome users are all just silly people then? They made a GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE look nicer than the competition's, how silly of them.
exactly (Score:2)
Plus, just because I don't like KDE doesn't mean that I don't like any KDE apps. Of course I'd prefer that they were Gnome apps, but again, just IMO ; )
Seriously, what I would love to see is better integration of Gnome / KDE menus. I'd really like KDE apps that I install to install a launcher in my Gnome menus and vice versa. Loki is doing this with all their games now. The only apps that'd I'd like kept separate as far as menus go are the default utilities and such that come with each desktop.
Also, just look how the competition between KDE and Gnome is driving them to work harder, I think it's great.
Re:What's it like? (Score:1)
Re:two cents (Score:2)
I've found that by taking an xterm, making the window huge (something on the order of 200x100 chars) and running links [freshmeat.net], one can get a pretty darn decent text-only web browsing experience. It does tables and formatting very nicely, as opposed to lynx.
Re:Actually... (Score:1)
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Opera has it (Score:1)
I love "minimum font size" - it saves me lots of headaches. And if the whole page is set to that tiny font size, I can zoom the whole page easily. Opera rocks.
I have zero tolerance for zero-tolerance policies.
Opera ads (Score:1)
I don't know who's been telling you about Opera, but he's wrong. Opera 5 rocks my world. I've been using it as my primary browser since January. I'm not registered, so there's an ad up in the corner of the app, but it bothers me not in the least bit. Download it, try it out, you'll like it.
I have zero tolerance for zero-tolerance policies.
Re:Konqueror is good but it has its share of issue (Score:1)
For instance, has anybody figured out how to print a multi-page document with Konqueror so that it doesn't look like crap?
I'm using US-Letter-sized paper; I tell it I'm using US-Letter-sized paper; and still it breaks lines in half.
I mean it leaves the upper half of the characters at the bottom of one page, and the lower half of the characters at the top of the next page.
'Course Mozilla printing still isn't as pretty as Netscape 4.7, either, but it's starting to get marginally useful. Opera is okay on some pages but cuts others off at the right margin.
Still, when I want a hardcopy of a webpage, I go back to Netscape or (shudder) MSIE.
Re:exactly (Score:2)
Re:Try IE6 (Score:1)
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Re:TT font problem with Galeon? (Score:1)
Re:TT font problem with Galeon? (Score:2)
No, Galeon displays everything beautifully for me. I'm using Galeon 0.11 with Mozilla 0.9.1 on Debian Sid (unstable).
Given that Galeon is just using Mozilla's rendering engine, I'm not sure how it could be introducing rendering problems of its own (other than, say, ROT13'ing all the HTML before letting Gecko see it).
Fugly Konqueror Fonts? (Score:1)
Konquerer (Score:2)
But I haven't given up on GNOME yet. Galeon works very well for the important stuff - it'll load a
(And Hemos, I think we all know Konquerer is your favorite!)
Re:Galeon (Score:2)
I don't understand why people keep saying that the other browsers on Linux are still not "quite ready to take over for Netscape 4.77". Moz and Konq are both great, and have a somewhat different set of bugs. If a site is unusable on one I go to the other and it generally works great.
Because those freaks expect a single piece of software to accomplish a single task. They don't want to have to try one and switch when they encounter a bug, then back when they encounter another.
Realistically, I'm not satisfied with any of the browsers available for Linux. At the moment, I'm using Mozilla. This latest version is the first to seem fairly stable to me (meaning it crashes infrequently, not that it doesn't crash). But no matter what everyone says, it still is slow. When I click the back button in IE, I see the previous page at my previous location within the page. On Mozilla, I see it load the top of the previous page, pop in some of the images (seems like really small images don't cache or something, not quite sure) and reflow to fit them, then move to the previous location. All sorts of stuff that just makes it go slower and feel even slower.
Someone will reply about how the latest nightly build is better. It's inevitable; it always happens when talking about Mozilla. It's not fucking true. CVS versions of anything are not known for stability. Developers break things between releases. It's expected. If they didn't, the software wouldn't improve.
Konqueror's HTML rendering: too good to be truth? (Score:3)
And I admit that the way Konqueror renders HTML pages is really impressive for such a small project (I read somewhere that there's only one full time konq developper).
It seems almost to good to be truth: one small team of KDE developper made a browser that is on par with that of a huge organization with many developpers like Netscape / AOL / Mozilla community?
It seems to good to be truth!
So I always wondered whether the Konqueror team has not re-used some code from Mozilla / Gecko.
If not, then congrats to the KDE guys. Too bad there have been duplicate efforts to develop these 2 terrific web browsers
If they did reuse some code (I'm not 100% sure that the mozilla licence permits that though), then I hope that Konqueror fans will stop bashing mozilla and galeon.
Konqueror is good but it has its share of issues (Score:5)
However Konqueror has a number of issues, and I find myself using mozilla more than konqueror although I use KDE as my desktop environment
- First Konqui can't display several charsets on a page. So, for example the bottom of the page on www.debian.org (where you have the lists of available language for the page written in the native languagem like "ú-{OEê for japanese etc.) does not display correctly. Mozilla and even Netscape 4.7 have absolutely nop problem with this. This issue is fixed with qt 3.0, and new releases of KDE (after 2.2) may switch to qt3, hence clearing this bug.
- Some pages do not display correctly (they're 10 times too wide with many blank spaces for example), even when faking the user agent to that of moz or netscape (with which the page works) (but this is very rare, most pages display correctly).
- IIRC Konqueror does not have separate options for http and https proxies
- And I also have that very annoying bug with AA turneed on: if a web page does not specify to use a given font, then konqueror uses the first font in the list. In my case, it's a fantasy font, which makes reading pages like http://lists.debian.org a real nightmare. There's a default font option in my KDE 2.2 post alpha 2 build, but it doesn't seem to work.
Galeon is getting it right... (Score:3)
My only wish: that there was a Windows port of Galeon i could use at work on my NT box (nudge,nudge).
Geez, I thought that post was about Galeon! (Score:5)
"A new version of Mozilla has been posted on their site, but I only use Konqueror."
"Here's a site with some great info on Galeon, which doesn't happen to be Konqueror, the world's greatest web browser."
"John Carmack has been interviewed on Blue's News. John's neighbour owns an Apple iMac. Apple is run by Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs once used Netscape which isn't Konqueror!"
Please, please cut it out Hemos. We don't care how horny Konqueror makes you, it doesn't have to be mentioned in every single post.
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Re:Galeon (Score:2)
Maybe, if you have a dual 1.6 GHz P4. Otherwise, Mozilla is horrendously S-L-O-W-E-R! Their user interface (in contrast with the rendering engine, which runs nicely) is a disgusting bloatware. You click on _File, go to lunch, come back and MAYBE the drop-down menu already showed up.
But let me tell you, if they get it to run faster they have a killer. Either them or Galeon + Evolution, provided the latter offer all features I'm used to in Netscape Messenger, and is stable (haven't tested Evolution in a while, actually).
You might be wondering why I didn't mention Konqueror. I use only GNOME because I fell in love with the easy upgradability brought by Red Carpet. (will update my distro too!) Until the KDE folks come out with something similar, or a KDE channel for Red Carpet, I'll stay with GNOME.
Re:Galeon is getting it right... (Score:2)
Re:Galeon is getting it right... (Score:2)
Re:Konqueror sucks... (Score:2)
PATENT!!!!! (Score:2)
you can see this right at http://www.netcaptor.com/tour.php
Patent? I believe this patent nonesense is going way too far. Besides, didn't Galeon have this first ?
Bagh humbug (Score:5)
If you young kids repected your elders, then you would have kept with the Unix philosophy of using small dedicated tools for specific tasks. Read email? You'd use mail. Browse web? Use Lynx. Look at images? Use xv. Use talk for an instant messager
Nowadays you need fancy schmancy browsers that do everything. Galeon is a step back in the right direction. Although I don't agree that bookmarks should be part of a browser (I used to have to remember the IP addresses in my head), galeon provides an efficient specific web browsing experience. Maybe all you programmers could take some notes from the guy who gave us Galeon!
holly wars. (Score:2)
holly wars between ourselves is everything we don't need.
Flame them all with balls of holly,
fa la la la la, la la la la.
Prove the Windows users' folly,
fa la la la la, la la la la.
If you use GNOME or KDE,
--saintfa la la la la, la la la la,
You are sure more e-lite than me,
fa la la la la, la la la la.
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Re:learn to read (Score:2)
Re:ummm... no (Score:2)
Personally, i try to use mozilla or galeon (Score:2)
Re:Konqueror's HTML rendering: too good to be trut (Score:2)
konqueror has two rendering engine from which u can choose:
-kmozilla well, it's gecko
-khtml, which is QT/KDE development, from scratch, and which is really great indeed
in fact only one thing remain really weak in konqueror: javascript. but i've seen that KDE 2.2 should fix that.
anyway, a reason why konqueror (well u're talking about khtml in fact) is such a great thing compared to mozilla, is that it's only a browser, and it doesn't try to reinvent the wheel for each task. it relies deeply on KDE for many things such as rendering images and so on. and they didn't try to make an abstraction bloatware based on GTK/MFC/whatsoever, in order to have it run under every platform on earth...
Antialiasing fonts (Score:3)
If you recompile Mozilla with Xlib or QT backend instead of GTK backend (see
The AA fonts will be in Mozilla 1.0 even with GTK+-1.2.x - you can have AA fonts in GTK apps but you must use Xrender explicitely. (look at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/) and search "anti alias" strings.
JFYI - Opera (http://www.opera.com/) can use AA fonts too, when being run under KDE with AA turned on.
Mozilla 0.9.x is getting better everyday, it's getting faster also
(personally, I like Konq. but the thing with preformatted text, square chars withou line breaks annoys me (I often use bugzilla etc.)
Re:cram it (Score:2)
Gee, thanks for the informative constructive criticism there! "Slightly off!" I'll file a bug report right now!
Seriously, what kind of complaint is that? Tell us what it is you don't like!
The theming support QT is awful.Just compare all the GTK/GNOME themes to KDE themes, there is not comparison at all. [...] GTK is the most beautiful widget set I have ever seen. It has it's own unique look and feel.
GTK has been around for longer, therefore there is a much wider selection of themes, therefore it is more likely there will be ones you like. QT's theming support is actually superior to GTK, it's faster. Plus, KDE comes with a GTK theme importer - KDE can import the GTK "unique" default look. Imported GTK themes run faster under QT/KDE than GTK! I haven't had much luck importing themes other than the default GTK look, however some work has been done on the theme importer since I last looked at it. I think it's fully functional now (in CVS).
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Re:stopped using KDE (Score:2)
AOL will be ready to feed Netscape to its costomers and IE will all of a sudden loose its maketshare and
Skipstone (Score:2)
I have found another GTK+ browser named Skipstone [muhri.net] also based on Gecko.
How not had a chance to use it yet.
Gnome isn't much better (Score:2)
I know KDE is almost a direct copy of windows, but Gnome is too. Gnome doesn't do that as much but it still is a copy of Windows.
Both KDE and Gnome have alot of GUI problems. Is there any mailing-lists, newsgroups to discuss GUI issues for there desktops?
Re:stopped using KDE (Score:2)
But Mozilla really wanted to be something very different: it wanted to be its own platform, an entire environment programmable in XML, JavaScript, and XUL. It doesn't look like people are flocking to it for that purpose. So, Mozilla really lost everything: it could have kept Microsoft from taking over the browser market, but because it wanted to be so much more, it is so late that it won't even accomplish that.
Is Mozilla competitive with .NET? (Score:2)
The only alternative to .NET I see is Java, perhaps incorporating Gecko as an HTML rendering component. Java is a full-featured language with an excellent, moderately popular toolkit, lots of widely used APIs, and the JVM runs a wide variety of other languages.
Re:stopped using KDE (Score:3)
I think you can give the Mozilla developers a little more credit. These people are experienced programmers that have not only done an HTML rendering engine before, but they are also familiar with rich text rendering in a number of toolkits. They don't need to implement a mail reader to know what kinds of hooks a mail reader needs.
stopped using KDE (Score:4)
After using Galeon for a couple of days, I think that it's an excellent browser. It doesn't start up lots of oddball support programs, it just browses the web. It also seems more reliable and render more accurately than Konqueror. So, I can finally switch back to a more lightweight desktop.
I think that if the Mozilla team had concentrated on bringing out this kind of browser, just the browser, they could have been done much earlier and captured so much more market share.
Modularity will always win! (Score:2)
The thing is that it's modular! It's just a frontend to Mozilla and GTM. I can use these programs by themselves, if I want to. One could even make a "K"aleon, just to stop all those KDE freaks from bitchin.
Every program should have a small, definied area where it works perfect - that's the whole UNIX paradigm!
I've been using Opera for more than half a year and was greatly impressed how Galeon is going! It even crashes much less. But that's the downside of modularity - you have to rely upon other programs doing their thing well.
Maybe Galeon should always restart with a dialog saying "Sorry I crashed, but it was Mozilla's fault!"
No konqueror (Score:2)