
Exotic Motorized Skateboard from Down Under 122
Somnus writes "On the British motorcycle news site MCN, they have a story on this weird device called a Wheelman -- it's a two-wheeled motorized skateboard where you stick your feet inside the rims of the hubless wheels! The top model, Bushpig, puts out 2.5hp and weighs only 44lbs. This would be a fun way to get around campus, if only I could find a suitable U-lock ..."
Gahh! (Score:1)
The front wheel stops, the motion continues to pull the board forward (and upward), and you do a nice little faceplant.
Sounds like fun!
Re:These will never be available in Britain (Score:1)
Re:Did anyone else notice.. (Score:4)
Yeah, I didn't notice that (I submitted the story). While I don't know for this specific case, two-stroke motors usually have more punch (torque) at lower RPMs than four-strokers, esp. at smaller displacements. This is why most off-road bikes use two-stroke enginees, while most on-road bikes use four-stroke engines for smoother power delivery, quieter operations and greater fuel economy.
If I get a Wheelman, I'll get the Stealthman model so I can fill up convenienty at my friendly neighborhood gas station.
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now what we need is climate control (Score:4)
Compare this with the modern US city: cars, on average, getting bigger all the time; traffic jams getting worse. Christ, there's a whole industry in traffic jams, with news helicopters and on-board computers. Meanwhile, cities continue to get denser and populations continue to rise. There's a clear end to this: cars have to go as the primary means of inner-city transportation.
Some cities are taking steps already: Portland OR has expanded it's bike lanes over the last 15 years and they're now pretty pervasive. Other OR cities, like Salem and Eugene (college towns) have even more aggressive bike lane programs and laws. bike lanes are clear policy and popular support for smaller, more economical short-distance transportation.
What's to replace cars? Scooters, perhaps (cf. Ginger [moreover.com]), or something similar. What are the major objections to scooters?
Thus, as I submit in the title, these types of transportation won't become widely used until we have pretty well-established nanotechnology. Unless, of course, the world eceonomy collapses or gets spread veeeeery evenly, in which case I guess even US citizens will be happy to ride bikes to work in the rain.
Just a thought...
question: is control controlled by its need to control?
answer: yes
These will never be available in Britain (Score:1)
One of the Health and Safety Executive's criteria for allowing the sale of items is whether or not the items will place an "undue strain on the National Health Service". In case you don't know, all healthcare in the UK is funded by taxpayers and the standard of healthcare is extremely low. An item such as this, which possesses no brakes, lights, mirrors or seatbelts is almost certain to be outlawed by the government due to the high risk of accidents. Since the government will have to pay for the cost of treatment of the injured, they prefer to make things illegal rather than have to foot the bill.
It is a shame that because of the inadequacies of our healthcare system, the British are deprived of many fun things. For example, bungie jumping, recreational shooting and parachuting are illegal in the UK. Quad motorcycles, a close relative to these motorised skateboards, are also illegal. Even smoking is outlawed in many regions of the UK (the city of Manchester being the most famous example), simply because of the strain it puts on the health service.
Sometimes I'm proud to be British, but at other times, the "nanny state" which prevails over here really makes me angry. Does anyone know how I can get a visa to live in the USA? :-)
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Re:looks complicated (Score:2)
Pant legs? Geez, just wear a bikini. Couldn't you tell from the photo on the page?
The elements. (Score:1)
Speaking as a person who spent most of last winter peddling through ice storms and snowdrifts to commute to work, I really don't think the elements are a big impediment. Get some decent winter gear and a pair of ski goggles.
The reason I haven't been riding much THIS year is because of the two-three foot high piles of iced snow on the roadsides. No place to go when one of those celphone-using, makeup applying 'drivers' dosen't bother to notice you.
And yes, I live in the Northren Midwest. We get lots of snow.
Re:Did anyone else notice.. (Score:1)
Re:These will never be available in Britain (Score:2)
This wouldn't be allowed on the public highway, but elsewhere, if people refrain from collateral damage, then there is nothing against it. Use it on the beach as envisaged, no worries!
Recreational shooting is regulated (you may have heard of Dunblane) so put that AK47 down. However with a Shotgun Cert or a Firearms Cert it isn't a problem. As the others who were modded down, you *can* parachute quite easily, you can paraglide and even microlight!
Re:Get it right. (Score:1)
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gas powered? (Score:2)
I'd want one that runs whisper-quiet and doesn't put out fumes.
Re:looks complicated (Score:2)
I was just getting in the bath to do some ironing, and I almost forgot to take off my clothes.
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Re:These will never be available in Britain (Score:1)
It is a shame that because of the inadequacies of our family values system, us Americans are expected to only have one girlfriend. Deprived of many fun things. Riiiiight. :-)
Re:looks dangerous (Score:1)
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Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:1)
Of course if you don't want the economy they do the Megabusa, which has a Suzuki Hayabusa 1300cc motorbike engine, they claim 0-60 in 3.1 secs......
No, I've never driven one, I don't fit.
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Re:These will never be available in Britain (Score:1)
Which we are, of course.
I suspect these things wouldn't be legal on the roads but ok on private land.
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Re:Two stroke engines (Score:1)
He said one stroke when he really meant two (up - intake/exhaust and compress, down - combustion), and he said two stroke when he really meant four (down1 - intake, up1 - compression, down2 - combustion, up2 - exhaust).
The big problem with two-stroke engines is that the intake and exhaust phases occur simultaneously and there is a big mixture of exhaust and intake so it's extremely inefficiant (plus it burns oil with it's fuel so it's worse than just fuel).
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Re:Wow (Score:1)
If you want an especially good time, visit san antonio in rain or the once a year "Big Freeze 'XX" (as the local media is so fond of making everything into a really big deal). Its a good show when you either have a 110 car pilup on I-10, or the entire highway system closed.
/me dislikes san antonio drivers
/me dislikes san antonio media even more
Right.. (Score:1)
Re:These things are not for the city. (Score:1)
Exactly how many times did you get stopped before you realised the cops didn't like them?
Re:looks complicated (Score:1)
The aftermath: My bike is a little messed up, my shoulder hurts, my glasses put a nice gash in my eyebrow, and my helmet is cracked. But I remember everything!
(I had been leaning too far forward while my front tire plunged into a pothole).
*Drool* (Score:1)
also, at 20 mph, you could hurt yourself on one of these things..hell..you could hurt yourself at 2 mph on one of these. Plus, the sticker shock was enough to scare me off...I can kill myself on a wheeled device for far cheaper then >$1K.
IT (Ginger) can't possibly be a scooter! (Score:1)
Instead, maybe IT is what powers Yet Another Motorized Scooter. Maybe the power source is some sort of improved highly efficient heat engine (Kamden has already built improved Stirling engines and propane powered mopeds, as shown on a recent episode of 60 Minutes II.) A scooter would be an ideal affordable way to introduce a revolutionary new propulsion technology, especially during the current motorized scooter craze, instead of the new technology not catching on because only the super rich can afford a full sized car powered by IT.
The fact that IT is being called "Ginger" and the fact that Kamden is a heat engine junkie (did you see that huge steam engine in his living room on 60'II??) suddenly made this connection: Dave Gingery (http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/index.html) published a bunch of how-to books for building your own heat engines. Coincidence?
Re:Two stroke engines (Score:1)
Danka muchly for clearing up that for me, as I put in my post I had no idea whether what he was talking about is true...
But on that note, if I remember correctly the Stealthman (gotta love their naming technique) is a 4 stroke engine, so wouldn't that be a better one... and make his statement null and void.
As another point, in that case, is there/would there be a more environmentally friendly engine that could be used for this kind of vehicle? Would some of the electric engines ideas going around work, give the size and weight constraints?
Re:Two stroke engines (Score:1)
It's a purely rotary engine so there's no vibration and far fewer moving parts that require less lubricant and less maintinance.
It's far superior to the piston engine, but I don't know why it's not used as much.
Electric engines would be extremely light and efficiant, but would require a heavy battery array, which sort of cancels out it's benefits.
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Terms and Conditions (Score:1)
Wheelman Vs. Go-ped (Score:1)
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:2)
Re:Other one is better (Score:1)
Licenses, wipeouts, etc. (Score:2)
The local cop pulls me over and asks me for a motocycle license. The would pull you over just because it is so weird.
and I do not know about wiping out on this. I can see where the road kill potential is a bit higher than I would want.
Worryingly, there are no brakes and it seems the only way to perform an emergency stop is to fall off. But then, it's designed to be used on beaches and has a top speed of just 22mph, so you're unlikely to hurt yourself too much.
On the other hand, people do alot of things that I would not do.
Pain. (Score:3)
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Re:looks complicated (Score:4)
From the article:
That does sound dangerous. 22 mph is a pretty fast clip. You could really get hurt. Try jumping out of your buddy's car at 22mph this weekend and see if you make it to work monday.
That being said, I think I have to get one. My goped has lost its charm.
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Re:Wow (Score:1)
I notice you didn't say safe. :-)
Also, since there's no cargo space, virtually no safety features, and it's virtually unuseable in rain, snow, or on ice, I think I'll keep my "silly attachment" to my car, thanks. :-)
9 out of 10 for coolness, though.
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:2)
So what? Due to the wonders of global capitalism, energy is a pure commodity. Therefore, people who are willing to pay more for gas can enjoy the fruits of their labor with this fun device.
The two-stroke Bushpig model may not be that environmentally friendly, but the four-stroke Stealthman can't be that bad. Besides, how efficient is it, really, to burn food and take 30min. to get to work on a bicycle, when you can get there in half the time with one of these? To do a given amount of work in a given context, animal power is not always more enviro-friendly than machine power. If you want to bitch and moan, counter that having entertaining devices like the Wheelman disincentives forcibly packing ourselves into subway cars.
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Re:Wow (Score:1)
Oh course the grass is always greener... (Score:2)
Once you've spent some time in the one of the 44 million without insurance you'll be back in heathrow in a heartbeat.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Wow (Score:1)
Oh, back to the topic. The Wheelman's lack of brakes is exerting major inhibitory influence on my urge to buy one.
"The good Earth--we could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy."K. Vonnegut
Could this... (Score:1)
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Re:These will never be available in Britain (Score:1)
I'm biased, I work for the NHS. However I have been to various other parts of the world.
The standard of care in the UK National Health Service is extremely high. Do some comparisons with hospitalsin other developed countries. Don't compare it to ones that charge $2,500 per day. Compare it to what most of the citizens in a country have access to.
What we are very good at, in the UK, is dissatisfaction. Idiots here will look accross the atlantic and see one of your many fine hospitals and compare ours to them.
It would be far more use to compare needle exchanges in Harlem and Edinburgh, or the facilities available to someone with an annual income of $5k - who doesn't have their employer pay their medical insurance for them.
I don't want to criticise the US healthcare system. You have nice hospitals. Our systems are different. You don't have your taxes spent on welfare, just star wars. I can get sick without worrying about bankrupcy. Each to their own.
(ftr - I am not a medical type. I look after computer systems/users.)
Probably is loud... (Score:1)
I'd assume this aussie thing, like the gas powered skateboard, keeps weight down by cutting out the bells and whistles... like any sort of muffler. Not exactly what I'd like to hear when I head down to the beach or off into the wilds.
Re: (Score:2)
Nobody said (Score:2)
:)
I do make attempts to conserve, though they are limited unless I choose to move away from culture completely.
My apt. has no TV, a minifridge style fridge, an electric stove, a microwave i use rarely, a coffeemaker, 3 small lamps, a clock radio (on most of the time), and a computer.
I use a Palm device instead of a laptop for my work because it uses less electricity, and is suitable for my needs.
But I have to use heat and water, trash, recycling, and public transportation, which use more energy. I don't use a car. I do use the streetlights, and all the infrastructure, and of course the Internet, so I am vastly benefitted by a lot of very dirty energy.
I want more people to be able to choose to cheaply and safely get off the grid, and generate their own electricity as much as possible. I have worked for political candidates in the southwestern US that aim to get as many people as possible on Solar power, which is mostly feasible in that sunny area. Espcially since the energy distribution crisis in California could affect the southwest and northwest if enough megawatts are pulled from the grid.
By the way, your sig is great.
to save the movie (Score:1)
Instead of having it imprisoned in your browser, right click on the wheelman movie link in this page: Wheelman Movie Link [shren.net]
GAR! (Score:1)
Re:Could this... (Score:2)
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"You owe me a case of beer. Sucka'."
Re:Ive used one of these. (Score:1)
Zilch.
Re:These things are not for the city. (Score:1)
Re:looks complicated (Score:1)
hehe That reminds me of Tommy, the 1975 rock opera thingy by The Who. When his evil cousin was playing with him he ironed his clothes while he was wearing them.
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Re:Did anyone else notice.. (Score:1)
Heres a better one (Score:1)
Here is the Exkate Powerboard [exkate.com] that has been out for a long time. It uses remote control and you can jump off it quickly. It's been around forever.
Re:Two stroke engines (Score:1)
Now on the other hand, there IS a damnned nifty motor from a company making jetboards (surfboards with built in propulsion), is about 3x6x8 inches in size, and can manage around 10-15 HP... When you're talking that size, you can snap 'em onto rollerblades (whoops, already been done)...
looks complicated (Score:3)
Requisite cute girl model notwithstanding, this thing looks a bit tricky to manuever. From what I saw of college kids' ability to pilot a simple bicycle down a street, this thing looks like a road-rash in the making. How would you keep your pants legs from getting caught in the wheels? And sure, it has a throttle, but where are the brakes??
Guess I'm not seeing how this is an improvement over those gas-powered scooters....
Beats the 1 ton (Score:1)
Seeka
Re:looks complicated (Score:1)
Bikinis and Laziness (Score:2)
Other one is better (Score:2)
TheGeek
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:2)
It's not *only* a question of how much energy you use, but also how much emissions you produce. CO2 is relevant in a global perspective, but other fumes are damaging in the close environment. CO2 is *not* what's causing bad air in many cities, infact CO2 is perfectly harmless in the conentrations we typically have. (It leads to global warming if it's from non-renewable sources, but otherwise it's harmless)
Whoohoo!! (Score:1)
It's time for orange juice and cookies.. (Score:3)
Ok, so we've seen you can't put organs up for sale on e-Bay. Why not
Oh, and another $179 for the stainless steel.
Re:Imma chroot you (Score:1)
TheGeek
Re:It's time for orange juice and cookies.. (Score:1)
Is it just me? (Score:1)
Noise? (Score:1)
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Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:2)
Animal power is 100% renewable, since animals consume foods that are 100% renewable. With respect to CO2/O2 balance, these work on a SHORT timescale compared to fossil fuels.
Animal power is also dramatically more efficient compared to fossil fuels, since our little cellular engines are quite efficient.
However, clean energy is generally a mask for electric engines that require fossil fuel burning at a power plant instead of on the road. They help places where loads of cars congregate, but they don't help the global picture.
If a substantial portion of people use SMALLER gas powered transportation, we save a LOT of total gas and energy usage, of the sort whose CO2/O2 cycle is thousands of years long. And perhaps it would be more popular (result in more savings) than trying to get people to use their own power.
Re:looks dangerous (Score:1)
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:1)
Naa, although I don't think the US has an energy problem, I still second that post.
This gadget looks cool upon first glance, but looses my respect when looking closer:
All in all, I prefer my bike and my inline skates any time over that gadget.
(Damn, it's time for some blading again, why the hell is it so cold outside?!)
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:1)
Given the Wheelman's tiny mass, it likely gets far better fuel economy than a car, scooter, or motorcycle, and requires fewer resources to manufacture. So inasmuch is it it subsitutes for those vehicles, it reduces net resource consumption.
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Get it right. (Score:1)
turbo scooter is better (Score:1)
I shot coke through my nose reading this... (Score:1)
I'mma trap you in my sys fscking chroot you
Still laughing over this line....
Re:Wow (Score:1)
Re:hoverboard (Score:1)
22 mph is still pretty fast. (Score:2)
-Restil
Re:now what we need is climate control (Score:1)
I would suggest checking out www.corbinmotors.com... they have some very adequate (albeit goofy looking) alternative energy vehicles, from an electric single seater car that can cruise up to one day on a single charge, at freeway speeds, through a more powerful gas powered model that uses a 1600 cc v-twin engine...
I've seen one in use... (Score:2)
I've talked with one of the inventors. I personaly think they are crazy considering the video they had at the big boys toys expo in Melbourne. These people come from the bush and their video show guys going through a tropical jungle like area at 25 mph (about 45kmh). The are the kind of guys who are man enough to not need breaks.
They pull apart weed wackers to get the engines since that the cheapest way to get engines. The thing won't pass California small engine emissions and may be worse than many small cars. It is also quite loud.
When I first saw this thing 2 years ago, I started looking into exporting them to the US but decided that I had better ways of making money that didn't invovle so many law suits.
Re:These will never be available in Britain (Score:1)
I don't think my spice are being unreasonable in limiting my outside girlfriends. Truth is I'm not involved with any women outside the household since cancer got the one "other" woman I was seeing.
Re:Did anyone else notice.. (Score:1)
t.
SmartWheels (Score:1)
Re:2.5hp? (Score:1)
Kid on a riceburner: "Wanna race?
Man on a Harley: "Sure. Here to the coast. Let's go."
Yes the Gold Wing and Valkyrie qualify as vehicles, and I know someone with a quarter million miles on a flat-twin BMW, but those pretend Grand Prix racers you praise are toys, not transportation.
Re:Wow (Score:1)
I think I qualified my original post in such a way that your reply doesn't contradict it. I said be carefull with the suv's. Some are surely safer than some cars, but the "some"'s make that sentence pretty vacuous. My statement of caution is motivated by the statistics which show passengers of some suvs are more likely to die in certain types of accidents than passengers of some other smaller vehicles in the same type of accident. All I'm fighting against is the generalization "bigger = safer".
"The good Earth--we could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy."K. Vonnegut
Re:looks complicated (Score:1)
Re:looks complicated (Score:2)
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Did anyone else notice.. (Score:1)
And here I was, thinking that 2 stroke engines were generally made more power than 4 stroke ones at the same displacement.
44 million uninsured? (Score:1)
Most of the "44 million" are people who are briefly without insurance while changing jobs or policies, and that's not much of a problem unless they have some horrible health issue right then before the next job kicks in. Which most don't. The mere fact that one is without insurance for a while is not in itself a tragedy.
I was one of those tragic "uninsured" people; I chose to self-insure for about a year once. It was no big deal; it just meant that when I went to the doctor I paid out-of-pocket. My dentist gave me about a 40% discount when he found out I'd be paying it myself. Since I had no major health problems during the time I was uninsured, I saved a lot of money. Had I had a major problem it would have been expensive, but at the time I thought the benefits outweighed the risks.
What I'd really like is an insurance plan with a really high deductible, like $10,000. Insurance shouldn't be used to pay ordinary predictable day-to-day expenses. The whole point of insurance is to spread the risk of unpredictable one-in-a-million costs, not routine ones. Insuring routine stuff is a great way to increase health care costs AND insurance costs.
Re:Did anyone else notice.. (Score:1)
Something else I have noticed with 2 stroke engines are the spark plug foulings.. At work we have a dirt bike with a 2 stroke engine(small family company.. we have a lot of fun on the weekends). The first week we had the thing we fouled out all our spare plugs and any new plug wouldnt get the damn thing started. Instead of going all the way to houston for new plugs, we went to the local orileys shop and asked for a hotter firing plug. We still foul out plugs on it but it is running. I liked the bike a little, but couldnt stand the power band hit on it.. I couldnt drive the damn thing without riding a wheelie.
I never really liked the bike much, I liked my boss's 4 wheeler Yamaha Raptor, it really kicks some ass. You can do wheelies on up to 4th gear. But this monster doesnt do any good for driving slow, towing or really rough wooded terrian. It runs too fast, it is better ran on clear land, especially when you hit the power band... Hit that power band and you are haulin or on the back wheels.
Both machines perform well on our dirt track and both can out do a 97 camero off the start line (my boss and another co worker's race proved that, never seen someone ride a wheelie on a 4 wheeler for 200 ft)
Re:It's time for orange juice and cookies.. (Score:1)
By the way, what do kidneys do again?
Re:2.5hp? (Score:2)
Man standing beside Harley at the side of the road: "Damn, better strip the engine."
Suzuki/Honda/Kawasaki/Triumph bike owner: "Cool beer by the seaside, what a life".
Harleys are an overweight under powered pile of crap, useless for anything but posing. Constantly rusting, pathetic tank range, senile electrics. God help you if it should rain.
Give me a Bandit, Speed Triple or CBR any day.
Re:looks complicated (Score:1)
But it can't top my friend's one - I wouldn't have believed this, except I saw it happen. Cycling back home from uni, he didn't have lights on, and stupidly he was ahead of the rest of us who did have lights. A driver didn't see him and pulled out of a car park in front of him. He hit the car's front wheel square on, throwing him forward over the bonnet. But he had his toe clips on, so the bike came with him. The end result was that he did a complete forward roll over the car's bonnet, complete with bike, and LANDED ON HIS WHEELS on the other side! Unfortunately he was so shocked by the experience that he immediately fell over.
Grab.
At the next X-games. (Score:1)
Road rash (Score:1)
Falling off at 22 mph will hurt like a b@st@rd if you're dressed like the guy pictured with the article. You can expect to receive a fairly serious case of road rash which is deeply unpleasant - I know, I have intimate personal knowledge of the subject.
However the article was posted on the Motorcycle News web site so you could expect readers to have access to the appropriate protective clothing - Kneepads, spine and kidney protection vest, leathers (with armour) crash helmet etc.
However anyone wearing all this and riding this scooter thingy would look a total prat.
My euro0.02 worth
Ian
Mom... (Score:1)
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:2)
That might be true in terms of chemical caloric content in the foodstuffs we ingest, but not when you also count agricultural, marketing and distribution energy costs. Our omnivorous diet doesn't help either. Also, is it more efficient strap 100 horses to a car, or just have a finely-tuned four-cylinder 2.0 liter motor?
Fossil fuel power plants win hands-down in both cost efficiency and enviro-friendliness due to the powers of scale. If you divide the energy produced by a large coal-fired plant in a day by the amount of harmful emissions over the same time frame, the dearth of emissions is actually quite remarkable.
Now that makes sense! However, if you've ever been accelerated from 0-to-60 in 5.0s in a 400hp car, you'll understand how difficult it is to convince people that the environmental savings are worth it; you wouldn't be able to convince me. Perhaps, a suitable alternative is a 150hp motorcycle that can take you from 0-to-60 in under 2.0s ...
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Re:Noise? (Score:2)
Re:looks complicated (Score:2)
You forgot the requisite: don't try this at home, kids. In this day and age of runaway litigation you can never be too safe ... BTW, don't wear your clothes while ironing.
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:2)
But, the masses don't think beyond the need to look like they have the longest penis.
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Ive used one of these. (Score:2)
There pretty slow though, they seem to be geared for torque rather than speed.
Wow.. These look really annoying! (Score:2)
Call me a crank, but the last thing I want is Joe Idiot cruising through the park on one of these things. Bicycles, roller blades, etc. are fine because they're relatively quiet. A 2.5Hp engine is not quiet (not without a bit of work)..
With that said.. I've always wanted to put together a hubless recumbent touring bike.. So, while I really don't like the idea of another humming nuisance, I do like the overall design of this thing..
Re:during an energy crisis? (Score:2)
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