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IBM "Linux Overview" Audiocast 51

Pahroza writes " Irving Wladawsky-Berger, Vice President, Technology & Strategy IBM Enterprise Systems Group, discusses IBM's overview of Linux. The presentation will begin on August 8th, 2000, at 11:30 am EST, and will remain viewable afterwards." It's in Real or Windows Media Player - bleah.
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IBM "Linux Overview" Audiocast

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  • It's in Real or Windows Media Player - bleah.

    I think you said it right there. At least 1 of them runs under linux (though the company's morals are questionable at best).

  • What do they think this is, television?

    Put the frickin' slides up in HTML! Heck, make a transcript of the conversation!

    Why would I want to watch and listen to this when I could read or skim it?

    Forget Publius, we need a speech-to-text server to translate RealAudio and Windows Media content. Taking snapshots of the video occasionally as jpegs would be nice too.

    Or, barring that, we need some major web designers with half a clue. But I think that's even less likely to happen.
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [ncsu.edu].
  • The fact that it's in Real format doesn't bother me -- I've got trplayer [freshmeat.net] :) What DOES tick me off is the genius that made the hyperlinks with Javascript instead of a good old A HREF. Bad web monkey -- no cookie for you!
  • I'm on the Win2K side of my machine right now, so I think I'll use Windows Media player. I find it cleaner anyway, and I don't want every clip I view to be sent to Real (that's all I needed, IBM ads in my RealPlayer in Linux).
  • by WarmProp ( 139679 ) on Tuesday August 08, 2000 @07:57AM (#871128)
    http://www.geocities.com/asfrecorder/index.html can capture/rip asf/asx streams. Comes with source, CLI version should compile on Linux I think :)
  • > It's in Real or Windows Media Player - bleah.

    Okay, we've got a decent audio-streamer in Icecast, anyone working an Open Souce alternative to Real? That is both server & player though I'd like to see cross client compatibility like Icecast has...

    Sorry for the Off Topic post, but it seems everything that matters to us like this bit of IBM news or a Linus interview is being broadcast in Real and nothing appears to be in the works to rectify that... Naturally, we'd have to convince people like IBM to use the OS alternative, but then an OS client could just as well be written to accept Real streams, right?

  • It's a start atleast. In years past we would have never seen anything like this.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 08, 2000 @08:00AM (#871131)
    IBM has been placing BIG full page ads in major newspapers around the country. The August 7, 2000 Washington Post has an example on page A5. Someone said these ads cost $60,000 dollars. Here is what it looked like (approximate):

    How long does it take for what was once a grassroots
    movement to become a mainstream force?

    How long till the world's fastest-growing operating system
    becomes the world's most popular operating system?

    How long can advocates of closed and proprietary
    systems hold the forces of open standards at bay?

    How long till your Grandmother is ordering her groceries
    over the Web on a system based on Linux?

    Maybe she already has.

    Today, IBM Netfinity servers lead the industry with the largest selection of Intel processor-based servers that are certified and and supported to run Linux. Only IBM offers this breadth of support and commitment. Not HP, not Compaq. Not anyone.

    Every current Netfinity server is able to run your choice of four Leading Linux distributions: Caldera Systems, Red Hat Inc., SuSE AG and TurboLinux. Included with an eligible server purchase, you get the unparalleled IBM Server Start Up Support for 90 days. And IBM supports Linux with a portfolio of key software for e-business, including WebSphere, Lotus Domino, DB2, and Tivoli. Plus a program that validates third-party software applications.

    IBM Netfinity delivers the reliability of Linux in a server platform that grows with your business today. And tomorrow. To learn more, visit ibm.com/netfinity/linux

    IBM [ibm.com]

  • by Mtgman ( 195502 ) on Tuesday August 08, 2000 @08:01AM (#871132)
    IBM has always been committed to maximum profitability for minimum costs. A supreme example of this was the AIX operating system, not only did we put very little time into developing it, we put even less time into training the customer support reps.

    IBM is proud to announce our new vision for the future. We have already previewed some of this vision with the introduction of the multi-Linux s/390 configuration and the Linux watch. Keep an eye on IBM as we incorporate this free OS into more and more of our systems. What this means to investors is much higher profits as our R&D costs drop. We also expect to see a reducion in the amount of time and money we must expend on our customer support lines as we can now say "It's Linus's Fault."

  • So I've got a bunch of ASF files on my HD--now what? Still no Windows Media Player for Linux.
  • Ok I didn't get to thinking THAT FAR yet... :) Actually it was just an app I came across a few days ago and decided to inform, that's all really.
  • Geez, some people just want everything.

    ...and, for the record, I'm one of them. :)

    I'd love to be able to play .asf files on Linux! Heck, what's the word on the MPEG4 spec? If we could get a (Free!) player that supported that much, I doubt .asf would be too far away.

    (well, depending on the codec; I bet it's Yet-Another-Container-Format(tm), which means it's just as useless and annoying as AVI and QuickTime files...)
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [ncsu.edu].
  • " Irving Wladawsky-Berger, Vice President, Technology & Strategy IBM Enterprise Systems Group, discusses IBM's overview of Linux. The presentation will begin on August 8th, 2000, at 11:30 am EST, and will remain viewable afterwards." It's in Real or Windows Media Player - bleah.

    Heh. A conference on Linux that isn't Linux accessible. Cute...

    Sometimes it seems like they get it, and other times they just leave you wondering...

  • This guy generally has good things to say, and gives a well thought out talk. He has come down to the Austin site (IBM, where i work) and given some talks on IBM's Linux strategy to those of us involved in AIX and others in the ESG. While many may critisize IBM for different reasons, they really have been putting real effort into linux.

    (my comments are in no way representative to those of IBM's)

  • Hey Troll, this is yesterday's news. The newer versions of Netscape may have pieces of Mozilla in it, but that doesn't mean that your friendly neighborhood Netscape is Open Source. Secondly, this is a flaw in the Java Virtual Machine based on Sun's implimentation and if I remember, Java is not Open Source though there are OS clones. If you want to count eggs you'll find that most of the problems related to Open Source actually have to do with commercial and proprietory software and don't forget to count your open source blessings while browsing 64% of the internet - which seems to be an example of why Open Source _DOES_ work. While you're the type to point fingers at a little glich that you haven't even taken the time to find out exactly where the problem is coming from, others welcome this kind of input and use it to make a better product. While commercial interprises try to hide their faults (65,000+ in Windows 2000 - Another Example Why Closed Source Software Doesn't Work), typical Open Source projects are happy to post discovered bugs - why? Because that's how they get fixed. Sheesh... It is clear that the guy who discovered this loophole in Java is doing us a great favor by releasing the source code and informing the community as a whole of the problem. So thanks to Him.

    Moderators - this is extremely off topic - please remove this thread altogether...
  • IBM sure is pushing Linux, huh? They even started a program with my school [union.edu] to have some of our seniors work on their projects for our senior design project (equivelant to a thesis or whatever - you need to do one to graduate).

    One of these was porting second teir applications for Linux to the S/390. I have two friends working at IBM this summer doing just that. Not only are these students getting to do an interesting senior project for a real world problem, they're also getting paid pretty nicely.

    I used to have a fairly low opinion of IBM, but their recent actions have me rethinking. Not only are they interested in supporting a great OS, but they're doing good things in the education realm too.
    I don't follow the pack, but I'll follow a really cute girl.

  • I was able to hear all of it and look at the slides, You just have to wait a sec after the "sorry, you missed it" screen.
  • It's OK, because the Linux people already know, and they're trying to bring the non-Linux people into "the know".


    Actually, I have no problems with RealPlayer format. Its the sites that ONLY have Windows Media Player format.. uugghhhh...


  • In that case, tell me what link it refreshes to!

    I'm using a nightly build of Mozilla to browse with at the moment, and it doesn't do Java; meanwhile, IBM doesn't know how to make a link in PLAIN HTML for the rest of us, furthering my point about clueless web design.

    IBM: I'm really interested in what you have to say. Please provide a response in HTML next time. Not Java. Not Windows Media Player. Not For-IBM-Internal-Use-Only Format-A220B59. You can use all that and more, but make sure you have it in HTML first!
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [ncsu.edu].
  • No kiddin'. I think that all web sites should be required to work correctly in Lynx, or the server should have its power and network lines immediately severed. Maybe then people would learn how to design a decent web page, rather than just throwing around the latest, flashy, and incredibly ugly 'features' that you only get from IE.
  • Secondly, this is a flaw in the Java Virtual Machine based on Sun's implimentation and if I remember, Java is not Open Source though there are OS clones.

    Wrong and kinda wrong. First of all, the vulnerabilities were in the netscape.* packages - all of Sun's stuff is in the (not surprisingly) sun.* packages. As for Java not being Open Source, you can obtain the source code for Sun's implementation of Java free of charge - but there's an NDA and rather restrictive licence involved. The information is available at http://www.sun.com/software/communitysource/index. html [sun.com]. As far as I know, Netscape's implementation is completely closed.

  • Hey, that's A220I9D1T4 to you, buddy... or was that my soundblaster settings...

    [not a real IBM opinion... I just work there]

  • four Leading Linux distributions: Caldera Systems, Red Hat Inc., SuSE AG and TurboLinux

    Caldera for a server? What's big blue thinking?

  • There are several apps that will let you play Real Player files on Linux.... this [freshmeat.net] is one of them...

  • by Azog ( 20907 ) on Tuesday August 08, 2000 @09:11AM (#871148) Homepage
    Here's my notes on the first half hour of the one hour presentation. Sorry these aren't really well formatted. I may have misheard a few things, but I think this is pretty accurate summary:

    - They (IBM) are aggressively embracing Linux, and have been for about 12 months now.
    - Linux is very good technology:
    very modular
    very flexible
    - Linux is becoming very popular all over the world, including Asia, Europe
    - Linux is great for business solutions - delivering solutions on the appropriate platform.

    - Linux is second most popular server operating system by volume, second only to Microsoft, and has achived this very rapidly.
    - Linux is expected to become most popular server operating system
    - IDC expects Linux to continue to be the fastest growing server operating system.
    - IBM expects Linux to be a huge force in the market, and this will attract developers and application development.

    - Some discussion of the mllions of servers expected.
    - Note that it's hard to predict the growth, just like trying to predict the growth of the internet in 1994.
    - IBM expects both volumes and revenues to go up.

    Where is Linux most popular?
    - Internet types of apps: web servers, ISP's, application service providers
    - Very popular with internet companies, and also with large enterprises for internal intranets

    Linux activities within IBM:

    In the 12 months or so since IBM started seriously working on Linux, they have:
    - Linux-enabled just about all IBM platforms,
    - ported much of their software to Linux.
    - using Linux widely within IBM

    Linux Servers
    - Majority of Linux use is on servers, specifically PC servers.
    - Netfinity servers running Linux are being deployed many places - some examples:

    Example 1:
    - 250 branches of some insurance broker in the UK, didn't catch the name

    Example 2: Millenium Partners
    - a NY based security firm
    - have consolidated trading floor apps on Linux
    - intelligent support for trading on a server. Desks are running IBM "screens" User interface?

    Example 3: weather.com
    - one of the most heavily trafficed web sites on the net, especially during weather disturbances.
    - Needed a web site that could handle very high peak loads, but at a low cost.
    - Using an IBM Netfinity cluster.
    - They ported their Solaris based system.
    - Much more capacity at much lower cost.

    Linux on Supercomputers
    Example: 256-way cluster in New Mexico
    - Small room on 24 racks.
    - Peak 275 Gigaflops (375?)
    - IBM expects many more research groups to be installing clusters like this

    Linux on System 390
    - Linux ports to many architechtures
    - runs very well on 390 mainframes, called "Linux390".
    - Is becoming very popular with system 390 customers
    - already 4000 downloads of the code
    - Last week, IBM had an InstallFest (virtual community meeting) where 60 customers around the world got the system up and running.
    - Customers can designate specific "engines" on a 390 G5 or G6 for linux applications
    - This affects pricing for the other applications running on the 390, since pricing is often done by "engine", and the Linux designated engines don't count toward the pricing of the other apps. So no software price penalty for expanding a mainframe, adding engines if they are used for Linux.
    - Announced prices for selected software on Linux 390, much closer to prices to other distributed platforms, to encourage customers to use 390s instead of distributed systems.

    Some customers planning (are?) using Linux390
    - Many customers run mission critical databases on 390s, and web servers on different platforms that talk to the 390.
    - This gives network performance problems, and raises security concerns.
    - Instead, they put Linux390 on the mainframe and port the web server based apps to the 390.
    - Thus the communication is entirely within the mainframe, solving performance and some of the security issues
    - Multi-Image facility: special version of VM for Linux gives the ability to run hundreds or thousands of Linux images on a 390. Very simple and effective way to manage all the Linux installations.
    - IBM expects Linux390 to be a big part of the future of the 390 mainframes.

    IBM's Unix Strategy
    - Integrated Linux into Unix strategy, which is basically to have two flavors of Unix:
    - AIX for enterprise-class applications for high-availability, scalability, on the RS6000's and other.
    - AIX has been ported to IA64, in beta.
    - Linux complements AIX for simpler / high volume / distributed / small server applications.
    - Linux at the lower end, AIX at the higher end, gives customers the widest range, flexibility, etc.
    - To make the strategy coherent, they are working to facilitate porting between the platforms.
    - So, they are adding a Linux compatibility layer to AIX to make it as Linux compatible as possible.
    - Customer can begin on Linux, and if they later find they need more scalability or reliability, they can recompile to get it onto AIX, for the largest Unix systems in the world.

    Linux on Clients, in particular embedded systems.
    - TiVo is a good example. Intelligent VCR. Based on IBM powerpc processor, running Linux.
    - IBM is working with other companies working on the embedded market (Hard Hat Linux)
    - is being tested on the next generation powerpc processors.
    - IBM is part of the embedded linux consortium.
    - expect that over next few years, Linux will be taking a stronger and stronger role in this space.

    Linux Software
    - IBM has taken their critical distributed software offerings and made sure they work on Linux, period.
    - WebSphere, including the advanced parts for ecommerce3
    - Domino runs on Linux
    - DB2 runs on Linux
    - background messaging stuff
    - Tivoli running on Linux

    Also Services
    - Big opportunity for services.
    - Providing technical support, one-stop shopping for services
    - cooperating with Linux distributors
    - IBM can manage the overall contract, bringing in a particular Linux distributor for their expertise
    - As linux becomes more of part of ecommerce, ebusiness, lots of work in linking Linux to other applications.


    I'll post another summary of the next half hour after I've listened to it...

    Torrey Hoffman (Azog)
  • Oooooo, look at all the pretty pictures! Oooooooo
  • http://speechbot.research.compaq.com/ [compaq.com]
    "SpeechBot is an experimental index of popular US radio shows, based on state-of-the-art speech recognition technology*. SpeechBot currently indexes 5423 hours of content from 5652 programs."

    I remembered seeing it on /. a while ago... December 8th, 1999 [slashdot.org] is an impressive recall time for someone who has to check his driver's licence to see his birthday <G>
  • Slightly more on-topic here than on the Linux watch story [slashdot.org], so has anyone seen this commercial [ibm.com] on TV? Does anyone know if IBM is really planning to play it ever?

    The commercial is along the same lines as this newspaper ad. The Captain from Deep Space 9 is the narrator. He says,"1991, Helsinki: A 21 year-old student named Linus Torvalds writes a new computer operating system. He calls it `Linux', then does something revolutionary -- he gives it away, free, over the Internet. The powers that be dismiss him as an eccentric -- a freak -- but everywhere coders and free thinkers embrace Linux, improve, and refine it. Now the forces of openness have a powerful and unexpected new ally."

  • Well, you can play DIVX movies..


    I think that some hacking could be done to play some ASF/ASX files also...

    Also, there might be a chance to play DIVX movies on the newer snapshots of KDE2 (not sure yet, not with the current snapshots)
  • I was refering to the fact that the Netscape vulnerability is a flaw in the Java VM which is the baby of Sun. Even if Netscape authored the VM they use, it's still a very close approximation of what Sun wants. In fact, just a straight Java VM can run this guy's code. I'm sure a little tweaking of the code will expose a similar problem in IE, but it's still largely a Java issue. Sorry if my wording was confusing. Secondly, (disclaimer - personal opinion) unless it's agreeable or comparible to other Open Source licenses like GPL and possibly (no flames) QPL it's not really Open Source. NDA's and restrictive proprietory licensing, IMHO, disqualifies it as Open Source. But then, that's strictly my personal opinion. The poster made a troll against Open Source that could easily be a symptom of popular opinion of the less informed and I tried to clear it up by indicating that Netscape and Java are not Open Source, and while the exploit is in Netscape, it's really a Java issue - fixable by turning off java. Hopefully the Netscape and Java guys are paying attention and publishes a fix. Most of the Linux/Netscape users I run across use Netscape with Java turned off, myself included. I feel with this vulnerability even more people will be turning Java off, but web-java is about useless and gimicky anyway (with few exceptions).
  • by Azog ( 20907 ) on Tuesday August 08, 2000 @10:37AM (#871154) Homepage
    There's some really good stuff in here, especially in the Q and A section.

    Perhaps most important part of Linux strategy:
    - IBM believes Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networking.
    - providing a common set of interfaces that all application developoers can adapt that will facilitate the development of applications which can be deployed across a variety of platforms
    - just like internet standards brought the internet together, Linux and linux standards are going to help develop lots of applications.
    - Some of IBM's efforts around Linux apps, working with the community, using tools from IBM and the communiuty to allow a common Linux development platform to emerge.
    - target is a world class application development environment.
    - Since Linux interfaces can be provided on other platforms like AIX, it is a good development target.

    - IBM has put together a Linux developers kit, thousands have been distributed.
    - No charge for development use, includes full versions of WebSphere, DB2, Lotus Domino, Visual Age for Java, IBM Java tools, documentation, etc.
    - Also a version for Japan.

    More efforts around the world.
    - A few weeks ago in Europe, announced a major ($200M) effort to assist application developers to port their apps to Linux.
    - Development centers around europe with technical help, support, for application dev on IBM servers.
    - Software and server specialists
    - Once application is ported to Linux, it can be deployed on many platforms.

    Community efforts
    - established open source community efforts, the Linux Technology Center.
    - Open source is better for everyone - customer, developer, etc.
    - They have open sourced a number of things, and are planning to open source more.
    - As many companies (besides IBM) open source their technology, Linux will become more popular and better.


    Q and A session

    Q: OS priorities: AIX vs Linux, no mention of Monterey? and, if clustering becomes more sophisticated, will that eliminate the need for AIX on the high end? If Linux accelerates migration to industry standard platforms, what are the implications for IBM's business?

    A: Monterey was the effort to convert AIX to 64bit for Power architechture and also IA64. That has been done.
    - Responding to market demand for Linux, IBM has integrated Linux into strategy.
    - regarding clustering: Clustering on Linux is very good today, good for internet applications, good for supercomputers. This gives "horizontal scalability", using many single, dual, or quad processor machines.
    - Where Linux is NOT so good today, and where AIX has the advantage, is to run transaction processing applications - where data must be shared at very high speed, mission critical transactions, and high-level SMP where data must be shared. Linux doesn't do it yet, but the 2.4 kernel will be much better.
    - Over time it is possible that Linux will approach the capabilities of enterprise. If so, the enterprise stuff from AIX might be migrated to Linux.
    - There is a lot more to an enterprise solution than just the kernel.
    - This may take several years, and that's why they are continuing their work with AIX.
    - This strategy will adjust in the future as Linux progresses.

    - Yes, Linux is an excellent example of the industry moving to standards.
    - This started with the Internet, and now others like XML, SOAP, are other examples. Linux is part of this.
    - This is important becayse it is only by embracing standards that we will be able to build the applications required by their customers. (ebusiness, etc.)
    - Market is embracing standards,
    - IBM is happy with this because they make their money selling hardware, middleware, and services.
    - As more of that hardware, middleware, services is supporting standards, you can build bigger and bigger solutions, and it's good for IBM's business.

    Question 2:

    Q: re incremental opportunity for Linux. To what extent is Linux demand incremental, vs. displacing other operating systems?

    A: It is early in the process, so hard to tell. However, he believes that Linux will cause a big expansion in the market. Includes an expansion in the number of products, including consumer products that will integrate IT technology. The TIVO is a good example. - computer tech is going further into consumer electronics, telecommunications, and others. All those consumer appliances can become network applicances. Believe the IT industry is going to grow - the more devices you connect, the more services you need, bigger services.
    Clearly the growth of Linux will also come by displacing existing legacy systems, but this will not be as significant as the incremental growth.

    Question 3:

    Q: (1) re Linux kernel: existing kernel is "long in the tooth", how to we get the predicted commitment to Linux without more visibility on when the next kernel will arrive and what it's capabilities will be?
    (2) re revenue growth rate: in Linux server market - the real opportunity in the market may be embedded systems, with money to be made on management.

    A: (1) regarding the kernel being "long in the tooth". Operating systems are like fine wine - they need time to mature. The more mature they are, the better they get in the sense of quality, scalability. THe best operating systems in the world, they are not that young. Compared to them, Linux is actually quite young! (comments on early development of kernel by Linus, etc.) In 1998, 1999, it hit the big time. Kind of like TCP/IP. It had been around for a long time, used by the research community, until it hit the big time in 94/95.
    The next version of Linux, 2.4, is scheduled to come out this fall, deploying next year, higher levels on SMP, concurrency, etc. The community is working on this, IBM's tech center is trying to help the community. Other vendors like Silicon Graphics, are also contributing, this makes Linux better and better for applicances, desktops, as well as larger and larger servers.
    2. Regardiung the explosion of linux appliances. IBM views this as a wonderful business opportunity. They need technology and they need services. Technology like microprocessors, very small storage devices, analog stuff like integrated circuits for communications. This is driving IBM's tech business. Then they need integration services, this feeds the software business. A lot of work on WebSphere is dedicated to support of pervasive devices. The more of them you have out there, the more you need stuff like WebSpere on systems like the 390.

    Services is the biggest part of the e-business opportunity. 60% of the revenue. 5% is hardware, the rest is software, more or less.

    Big opportunity. If you have 10 billions of chatty little devices each doing lots of transactions, that's the kind of load that will keep the system 390 mainframes busy. Theres a lot of demand for server capacity.

    Middlewhere is also a big part of the equation. A big part of WebSphere is targeted to this.

    Question 4.

    Q: IBM is working with many distributors. Do you see a possibility of Linux fragmenting, and if so, do you see a possibility of IBM providing their own version of Linux?

    A: We are working primarily with the 4 major worldwide distributers: Red Hat, TurboLinux, SUSE, and Caldera.
    And we do different things with each. Suse does the system 390, for example. Suse is big in europe, while Turbo is big in Asia. Red Flag Linux is the biggest in China. Mandrake is big in France, and on the desktop. Hard Hat Linux is big on embedded devices. So, over 150 distributors. They don't need IBM to be a distributor. They are better off working with distributors to integrate the whole system for their customers.
    If the problem is in the Linux kernel, IBM can get together with the appropriate distributors.

    There is an organization called the Free Standard Group, and just about all the major distributors are part of it and are committed to avoiding fragmentation. Look at other efforts like XML - the industry is doing well for keeping things together.

    Torrey Hoffman (Azog)
  • Wow, thanks for all that. Text is much nicer.
  • I've noticed that billboards for IBM's developers website lists Java, XML, and Linux as "supported technologies", but makes no mention of Windows (or any other MS product, for that matter).

    Zardoz has spoken!
  • ill kick back and watch IBM bitch slap m$
  • threads get removed from /.?
  • What they ofcourse mean is, profitability for their customers. well, in PR speak ofcourse. Also I think IBM is really interrested in a good cross platform unix-like system that will perform well for all there low-end hardware.
  • This is yet another forced [death] march of IBM's warm bodies onto a hot "new" technology.

    And lookie! They have Linux running on top of VM/ESA on the S/390! Who gives a rat's arse???

    Steve Magruder

  • Hey, no one likes the damn Windows media player, but can't you see the point in getting the message out to those who need it most - those with the Windows media player?

    What's the point in preaching Linux to a Linux only media set? It defeats the whole purpose. However, this seems to be more and more the attitude of "open" systems.

    "Hey, let's convince them to use our operating system by not using any of their file formats and make remarks about them when they ask for information in those formats."

    It's the high school cafeteria attitude, finally brought to software!

    Hotnutz.com [hotnutz.com] - Funny
  • You're welcome! I damn near wore my fingers off typing it, trying to keep up with the audio, and haven't been rewarded with much moderation. (yet?)

    I'm surprised that this story isn't getting more attention, not just from moderators, but from people posting.

    There's some really interesting stuff here - IBM obviously supports Linux in a huge way now - they've ported all their key software, they support the community, they are contributing to the kernel... and the guy who made the presentation obviously gets it. He had great responses for the standard questions about "Linux Fragmentation", how to make money with Linux, and some minor FUD about "the roadmap" for the next kernel. IBM is even thinking that in a few years, they may not need AIX anymore!

    IBM may end up being the first, or even only profitable Linux based company! This is significant!

    But everyone is off posting and moderating in some soon-to-be-forgotten story about some guy trying to get arrested at the Republican convention... sheesh.

    Torrey Hoffman (Azog)
  • It doesnt seem to work with this particular ASF stream...

    Resolving host: 'playlist.broadcast.com'
    connecting to: playlist.broadcast.com
    sending request [296 bytes]
    waiting for reply...
    reply: 200 - OK
    Parsing URL: 'mms://wmcontent02.broadcast.com/ibm/6/528441.asf? StreamID=528441&r
    Resolving host: 'wmcontent02.broadcast.com'
    connecting to: wmcontent02.broadcast.com
    sending request [316 bytes]
    waiting for reply...
    reply: 200 - OK
    receiving ASF header...
    Opening file '528441.asf?StreamID=528441&ru=UNKNOWN' for output
    connecting to: wmcontent02.broadcast.com
    sending request [430 bytes]
    waiting for reply...
    reply: 200 - OK
    receiving ASF header...
    receiving stream...
    0 kB ( 0%), HDR: $4824, 211 bytes, seq $00000000, tc: ???
    receiving ASF header...
    Unable to parse this ASF header!
  • Wow! Real Player started firing up and my lavaps was just one big green blob....

    I would now like to tender my apologies to Netscape and Star Office. I had no earthly idea that such a small app could rival them for making a huge sucking sound....
  • You rock dude!

    Thanks a million, I'll bookmark this and come back when I have some moderator points...

  • Reverse the question....

    Q:) You want to do a streaming video presentation that is accessible to linux users. (Remembering that we have a 30%-40% user base that can't install it if it didn't come on the Red Hat CD...) What format would you use??

    I agree that real sucks, but until there is a good alternative, what do you suggest? And I would also like to point out that in the early days of Linux, Real Player and Real Server were among the first commercial apps available for Linux, adding to our market acceptance.


    I also think that any talk that is presented on the web should also have a transcript available, and slides. Mostly for the reason that it would be more accessible, and secondly for the users behind a corporate firewall that have Real access disabled. (Like here... 500 users and one T-1, no streaming media for you monkey boy....)

    I will now have to get to it tomorrow. But, the /. effect won't be as bad tomorrow either.

    "Burned by the fire we make, what a shame."
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Here's the audiocast in mp3 format. [geocities.com]

    So stop whining...

  • by Doug Marker ( 220116 ) on Tuesday August 08, 2000 @04:49PM (#871168)
    Hi Stephen, I won't judge the basis for your remarks but some years back I worked for IBM and my job in the 1990s was to diseminate AIX & Risc technology awareness throughout IBM in the Asia Pacific region. The funding was excellent, the support was from the top, the program involved sending 2 teams twice a year to all interested Asian countries. In these teams we hired US experts (non IBM) plus we got loaned IBM Unix experts from Austin, plus we included local specialists. We did this for over 4 years and the program was a resounding success. My background in UNIX started in 1980. In 1983 was on the committee that founded the 1st official Unix usere's group outside the US. Have worked with nearly all flavours of UNIX including the infamous Microsoft developed version called XENIX. Your comments just don't match my experience of IBM's AIX commitment. It is their commitment to Linux that is what will make the biggest difference against Microsoft. Is this what your beef is really about ??? Cheers - Doug Marker
  • Finally! An optimistic post.

    I was very impressed with the large IBM commitment to linux. I had no sense that they're trying to muscle in and take over. Quite the contrary -- behind many of the comments, I could hear "finally, an OS that won't stab us in the back". Companies can become true believers in open source when they come to see it means that they won't get screwed over.

    I admit my own suspicions rose when they did the "unix pyramid" graphic w/ AIX at the high end and linux feeding it at the low end. Typical. But in the q&a, the speaker didn't seem at all worried about a linux push from below -- he said it was more a matter of when, not if, it gains the high-count SMP capabilities of AIX.

    If IBM comes too feel its fate is tied to linux, imagine what they could contribute. Who of the open source developers has a 24-processor system to run tests on?

    This is a good thing.

  • I thought this commercial [ibm.com] was kinda cool. Different style for IBM.
  • First things first, my comment was mainly meant as a joke, aparently some people got it, and some didn't.

    ...some years back I worked for IBM and my job in the 1990s was to diseminate AIX & Risc technology awareness throughout IBM in the Asia Pacific region...

    Oh goody, I always love discussing the merits of an OS with a salesman.

    AIX is neither a good technology nor a bad one. They are much easier to administer than Digital Unix, much less easy to deal with than HP-UX and less featureful than Solaris. They are mediocre as a development platform.

    As far as support goes? Well all the customer support reps are useless for anything more than FAQ's until you've escalated the call a couple of times. That's nothing personal to IBM.

    I considered a short diatribe on what IBM's real problem is, especially as it relates to their ever decreasing market share in todays market and the projections for this trend to continue. But that would take us way too far off topic. Here it is in a sentence. There are a lot more individual consumers than there are businesses, and their aggregate buying power is far greater.

  • "Oh goody, I always love discussing the merits of an OS with a salesman. " I was not a salesman - nothing in my post implied that - but your conclusion appears to reflect the accuracy of your other comments. Can I propose you speak your diatribe, but do so to a mirror so you can get a glimse of yourself as others would. Cheers - Doug
  • What about IBM Bamba (Java based)? Don't know if they've released it yet outside the corporation though..
    It's no new streaming technology. Has been around for s few years "in-house" at least (Hmm. I don't think i divulged anything confidential, so don't hit me Lou)..

Honesty pays, but it doesn't seem to pay enough to suit some people. -- F.M. Hubbard