
Sys-Admin Appreciation Day Tomorrow 155
nrmrvrk (ner-mer-verk) writes "Tomorrow, the last Friday of July, is Sysadmin Appreciation Day! A
special day, once a year, to acknowledge the worthiness and appreciation of the person occupying the role, especially as it is often this person who really keeps the wheels of your company turning." Thanks to Martin, BSD-Pat, Liz, CowboyNeal: the guys who get the thankless job of keeping our hardware running smoothly.
Re:Why is there no telephone-tech-support day?? (Score:1)
BTW, 9 times out of ten that person who told you to reboot windows is outsourced, taking calls from 2-3 different companies, and has no reason left to live by the time he gets home from his loveless job. So if you want to show me your appreciation, just shoot me the next time you see me. (I'm the one in the t-shirt that reads "The Internet: 100million Lusers can't be wrong!"
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Re:A tribute to my sysadmin... (Score:1)
A good sysadmin can change jobs in a day and usually come out ahead.
Whoring: Just don't do it!
Re:Appreciate this! (Score:1)
And getting to wear t-shirt & manky jeans (Score:1)
Re:THANKS A TON (Score:1)
I do all of this everyday...
Gee, nice gift assholes (Score:1)
Three...uh...syllables (Score:1)
Sul
Tant
Get paid by the hour, and get compensated for "pager duty". And, if you work for somewhere like Taos [taos.com] (my employer) or Andersen Consulting [ac.com], you get paid hourly, but you also get benefits, interesting work (at least mine is), and no unpaid "down time". oh, and paid vacation. and other things.
Re:***FUCK*** the sysadmin indeed... (Score:1)
Married's no problem either..
YOW-za!!
Your Working Boy,
Re:***FUCK*** the sysadmin. (Score:1)
Re:***FUCK*** the sysadmin. (Score:1)
LOL! Congratulations on the perfect reply to a troll. so much better than getting "gruff" with them.
Gifts for Sysadmins on their Special Day (Score:1)
Re:asshole! (Score:1)
BOFH? (Score:1)
My attitude has always been very simple, and I have tried to convey this to the ppl I work with. If you bother me with a question concerning computers then this implicitly means that I might know the answer that you don't know. In many cases, this means that you consider me to be the expert and you are not. If this is true, then it means another thing.
I also know if you are asking a stupid question. I know what effort that you would have to invest in order to answer that question on your own. If the question concerns a issue that previously took me a while to figure out, then I will help you. It also helps if you tell me what you did to try to answer your question. If you did nothing, then f*ck off. If the answer is easy and obvious, this means that you are a lazy bastard that didn't even bother to RTFM, or you are totally clueless. Clueless ppl I can better deal with. Lazy bastards are dog-meat.
Remember, when you ask a question to someone, that person may have a good understanding of how much work you did on your own to reach an answer.
I recently bought the RTFM coffee mug from ThinkGeek. It replaced my old Dilbert mug that said, "Let me drop everything to work on your problem." or something like that.
Re:Enough. (Score:1)
Sure, but how many hours do we geeks work again? 60? 80? Hmm.. so let's say we're making 60k per year. Not bad, huh? Now, divide that by two... 30k per year. Less than what the average joe who's slobbering all over himself about e-commerce and how much "'dem pooter nerds are makun'".
yeah! (Score:1)
kind of appropriate, really....
Re:But do we really need sys admins? (Score:1)
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Re:But do we really need sys admins? (Score:1)
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Re:Enough. (Score:1)
Re:you are it, dude (Score:1)
For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, it basically makes it impossible to remove, modify, replace, any "protected" file unless certified to do so. (Product manufacturer for a driver, etc.).
Re:Haveta agree (Score:1)
If you don't have Programming skills, you aren't a Sysadmin, you are a technician, stick to NT, you'll do well there.
Yes, I know of programmers that like to make things complex, but that's bad programmers. Scripts/Programs are supposed to make things EASIER, not harder. When I took over from someone with no programming skills everything was very simple, too bad there was no way to verify that everytime a new filesystem was added it was also added to the backups. Within the first week we found a lot of missing files/directories, and the backup procedures for the Oracle Databases didn't keep up with the DBAs either. Now there is a script system that collects the information about the Filesystems and Databases and creates the backup scripts, and if there are any problems with creating these scripts, the entire UNIX Admin team gets and E-mail.
I know of the guys you are talking about, I hate them too (We had the same problem with Web Developers deciding that they HAD to have 18 versions of the same software installed in 15 different locations on their workstations). But that is the result of bad programming skill, as well as bad sysadmin skill.
K.I.S.S is for both programming and sysadmin. We can rebuild from a crash in about 10mins more than it takes to reinstall the OS, by simply pushing our standard tools from a reference server.
-- Keith Moore
No, they don't need it. (Score:1)
hehe (Score:1)
Heh - not for THESE guys... (Score:1)
Luser: HI! I thought your Sysadmin Appriciation day was such a great thing, I submitted it to Slashdot? Isn't that great? Now everyone will know waht a great job you guys do!!!
Sysadmin: Slashdot? SLASHDOT! Ohhhhhh, OK, yeah. Thanks. Thanks A LOT. (types rm -r
Re:***FUCK*** the sysadmin indeed... (Score:1)
oh, wait...bill gates. *shrug*
Re:Help-desk (Score:1)
For instance, this week a lady in our accounting deptartment called our help desk every day because she forgot her password, sometimes multiple times per day. It got to the point where we wrote down her password and gave it to her manager so she'd stop calling us, heh.
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Re:"appreciation" (Score:1)
Re:I own you! (Score:1)
??? (Score:1)
Time to download HTTPort!
Re:you are it, dude (Score:1)
IE 5.x
Windows Media Player
Microsoft Frontpage
some links in browsers
these are automatically "fixed" if you "accidentally" remove them.
Win2K - 'cause there's nothing like being an administrator when "you don't have the authority to stop this process."
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Re:How to Celebrate in Portland, Oregon (Score:1)
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A tribute to my sysadmin... (Score:1)
I would like to say a special thanks to my sysadmin, Sam. He's a really great guy -- but don't get me wrong, he's a great guy in the BOFH sort of way.
The reason I'm singling him out for a tip of the hat is because he has taken the last few days remarkably well. Last Friday, we got hit by the Fwd:Joke variant of ILoveYou. After wiping out half a gig of images on our server, he dutifully restored them from backups and went around to each individual workstation (some seventy in our office) to personally chastise each user to NEVER OPEN FWD:JOKE EMAILS EVER EVER AGAIN. So what happened this morning? Yup. Several someones opened up fwd:joke emails. So he gets on the office PA and announces "Don't open any emails that say Fwd:Joke." So what happens? Yup again, half the office launches Lookout and opens the message to see what the problem is.
So now it's the end of the day and we're almost restored back to normal. It took him a couple of hours, but he finally got the mailserver back up and running. And he didn't even kill anyone. Although several people seem to be missing...
Yeah, but (Score:1)
Re:Three...uh...syllables (Score:1)
The only downside is, we don't get stock in all these little startups we end up working for... a real bummer, but otherwise a great job...
Ender
asshole! (Score:1)
"If you can't figure out how to kill a process, maybe you shouldn't be in this class!"
Our professor didn't take kindly to that. Most of the students where working in a unix environment for the first time.
You might enjoy tech support too much (Score:1)
My name is George, I used to work on a hotline. I've been hotline free for about a year now. Every once in a while I get the desire to take a few tech support calls, but I call my sponsor and he helps me get past that desire.
George
Re:But do we really need sys admins? (Score:1)
Ah, sweet entropy...
Re:But do we really need sys admins? (Score:1)
Re:Actually, here's the COMPLETE BOFH archive... (Score:1)
tangent - art and creation are a higher purpose
Re:From the "How to Please Your IT Dept." departme (Score:1)
Re:From the "How to Please Your IT Dept." departme (Score:1)
Well, from that post, I'd assume that you don't have much respect for anybody
You don't know me, Bob, Dick, or Harry and what our jobs are about to us, so hey - shut up.
Re:The best sysadmin appreciation: $$$ (Score:1)
Ha ha ha ha ha - sigh. I wish... :(
<wiping tear from eye> *sniff*Re:THANKS A TON (Score:1)
Playing XBoing all day
Telling everyone "I'll get to it in my *spare* time".
etc....
What was your username again? clickety-click
Of course you will appreciate us! (Score:1)
Not only not work, but not fix anything if it breaks.
I think if we all had a day off and all the black hats knew it, we'd be appreciated a whole heck of a lot. . . .
Re:You damn well should appreciate (Score:1)
Hmmmm... (Score:1)
Hehe, I like being a BOFH.
Re:How to Celebrate in Portland, Oregon (Score:1)
I want to know what the guy who invented beer is working on now.
Very little. Since beer was invented hundreds of years ago, I suspect the guy's dead. *G*
Rafe
V^^^^V
Re:/.ed (Score:1)
Re:A tribute to my sysadmin... (Score:2)
I actually enjoy having my users get viruses. My systems are untouched and winDOS support gets to take care of fixing the problem! HA!
Re:Sysadmin is a transitory and custodial job. (Score:2)
Feels the need to get to know and talk to everybody since he's so familar with all your files, email, etc.
Trust me, we don't want to get to know you. We'd rather you didn't exist at all. We don't care what's in your files, what kind of mail you get, or what porn sites turn you on. We mostly just wish you wouldn't call up telling us about either a) Problems we were fixing when you interrupted us, or b) Problems that are actually ID 10T related. And believe me, we don't feel the need to talk to you. Leave us alone.
Have I made my point yet? Sysadmin is just a high tech janitor. He creates... nothing.
Agreed. We don't create much (though sometimes we get to set up a new shop, which is great fun), but rather we maintain existing investments.
And certainly not deserrving[sic] of much higher pay.
Agreed. Sysadmins should be paid maybe 20-30% more than regular janitors (simply because of the experience/education required). What that really means is that janitors are underpaid.
And here's one more:
8) Not having a good one makes it hard to get any work done (because nothing works).
8a) Not having a good one makes it hard to get nay work done (because of the stink and clutter).
-- Your Friendly Janitor
Re:THANKS A TON (Score:2)
I'm sorry I'm so far behind in handling user requests. I like you though, so I've taken care of this particular request for you right away.
I'm happy to delete your home directory for you. You did back it up, right?
Re:Haveta agree (Score:2)
Uhmmm...root == responsibility. Shouldn't they be the ones doing the complete reinstall? I'd hand them the media and the instruction book and tell them to have at it. Such is the price of root. You can't have it both ways.
Enough. (Score:2)
And yet, I don't see the point of a sysadmin appreciation day. There is nothing unsung about being a geek, anymore. Ever since Open Source became a coined trademark, geeks have been the trendy thing to be. Ever see any of those banner ads on slashdot? They are marketing to an image that I accredit ESR for hyping. Certainly, geeks were around before that image, and they will be around after everyone gets as tired as I am with it.
But sysadmins are NOT unsung. Anyone willing to disclose the amount of money they make as a sysadmin?
We can be more than what "our" culture defines us to be.
Haveta agree (Score:2)
They write a bit of code to do this.
They write a bit of code to do that.
They write a bit of code to make this do that.
Bit by bit the entropy sets in. They never seem to see the whole picture. 1 year down the line and you have to hire 3 sysadmins just to handle the reboot dependencies.
Good reading for all (potential) sysadmins:
http://www.infrastructures.org/
Re:you are it, dude (Score:2)
Several years ago, one of our clients called up to say that their system wouldn't come back up after a reboot. It turned out that the user was running out of disk space, so they removed that /unix file that was taking up so much space...
Re:***FUCK*** the sysadmin indeed... (Score:2)
Re:"appreciation" (Score:2)
Dude, you pick up the phone?
If it's not in email (documented, logged and backed-up for future evidence) I don't know about it. That includes problems with email.
OK, OK, some people (my boss and staff) have my mobile, but I have CID and they know my abuse policy...
Your Working Boy,
How to Celebrate in Portland, Oregon (Score:2)
Re:But do we really need sys admins? (Score:2)
The fact remains... the sysadmin, and the IT staff in general, are *responsible for ensuring that computers are available to do what htey need to do for the company*.
I've had times when I've said.. hey.. most of my users are very computer literate. I'll just let them do whatever they want with their workstations.. you know what? The amount of work I have to do goes UP! WAY UP! Why? Because...
If Mr. Programmer installs some software, and de-installs it, re-installs it, hence, destabilizing windows (we all know this happens), and his computer BSODs every day, and he can't get his programming done, it is still *MY JOB* to fix it, not his. It is no longer relevant who's fault it is, it's still MY JOB to fix it.
As for 'taking back' users computers... It's not *YOUR COMPUTER*. It's the COMPANY'S computer. You should not *care* what it runs so long as you can do your job.
I must say, in my shop, if someone came to me and said 'can I put linux on my computer, because it lets me do my job better' then, if I believed them, I'd say 'here, have a second computer to use linux on'.
Users have JOBS to do. Project managers, programmers, designers... they don't have fucking TIME to deal with network issues.
Excuse me? to guarantee myself a job? Dude, I don't know what you think is out there, but if you were to only use software that an idiot could administer, nothing would get done.
How are your abilities compromised?
Re: (Score:2)
Re:"appreciation" (Score:2)
Re:The best sysadmin appreciation: $$$ (Score:2)
Worked all night, I did.
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a day for BOFH's? (Score:2)
Re:Enough. (Score:2)
Where's the admin for sysadminday.com? (Score:2)
How to Please Your Auto Mechanic (Score:2)
10 Easy steps Every User Should Know on 'How to Please Your Auto Mechanic':
1. When you bring your car in to have work done, leave your seat all the way up and your radio on the local rap/country/classic rock station at 20. We really love your music and would rather listen to it than work on your car. Don't forget to leave the dirty diaper in the back seat and the food wrappers on the floor.
2. Ignore the idiot lights. They are there to tell you that you have oil or that your car is hot. Don't bother to tell us, we'll figure it out from the smell.
3. When the tow truck driver says he's coming right over, go into your house and wait for him. We know where you live and will knock on your door when we get there.
4. When the Mechanic says that your AC is a little low on freon, tell him that you'll catch it next time. The AC will operate just fine while low on lubricant.
5. When the Mechanic is elbow deep in your engine and whacks his knuckles on the power steering pump, say "ouch, that must have hurt". He appreciates your sympathy.
6. Stop by every 10 minutes and ask how it's going. He appreciates the interruptions and loves to stop what he's doing to tell you what he's doing.
7. When your car is experiencing problems, drop your keys off in the night slot with nothing but your garbled phone number and feeble description of your car. We like going to each car in the lot trying the key and testing the security systems.
10. Don't learn the proper term for anything technical. We know exactly what you mean by "My thingy blew up."
That'll be $935.34.
Re:you are it, dude (Score:2)
Re:micro$oft Sysasmins (Score:2)
It's even better when they start with: "I learned this on my Advanced Word|Excel|Powerpoint course. Why doesn't it work?"
Usually, I walk to their machine, pull up the online lack-of-help and get the answer. Of course they didn't see the secret code I used so they're back the next day. (And of course they checked the help before calling.)
Oh well, I'll resign myself to being the custodian of the secret knowledge of F1.
Sys-admin Day (Score:2)
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AbiWord [abisource.com]: The BEST opensource word processor
Re:you are it, dude (Score:2)
I totally agree with this. How many times has an "upgrade" caused users to lose productivity just to keep up with MS's newest release? Managers don't always figure in the cost of the upgrade learning curve.
. RTFM? What FM?
Here I disagree. These people are not just key-punchers - they really use these apps. A lot more than I do. If they have a problem with the software not performing a function correctly I will spend all the time necessary to remedy the situation, but if they need training, that is not my job. There are plenty of good books in the bookstore for which my company will reimburse whomever wants to further their education. They ought to use that resource. That said, point taken about the talking paperclip LOL.
Your job might be easier if all your users were not superusers.
God, how I wish my users were all superusers. Power users have taught me more by showing me freakish problems. I love power users - at least if they break it it is interesting to fix. Not like "I didn't know what OLEAUT32.DLL was so I deleted it" which kills me. :)
A nice way to thank your sysadmins.. (Score:2)
you are it, dude (Score:2)
How I hate shit like this. MS users are clueless because MS likes them that way. Most just want their God damned word processor to not second guess them, and help them do their JOB. MS help files have gotten better, but are still not all that helpful because the underlying application is flawed/limited and painful to use. Half the pain is all the stuff that gets hidden and can only be revealed with some secret handshake, like hold the shift key while opening that database. RTFM? What FM? That talking paperclip? Don't be so smug, the user is generally frustrated by the inferior MS app that replaced the app that worked better and was more familliar.
Yes, the average user will blame IT for the software on their desk. Who else makes such decisions?
I can forgive IT at my company for being forced to use NT and office. They are generally nice about things. I enjoy making smug ones feel small.
Your job might be easier if all your users were not superusers. Dump MS, please!
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Why is there no telephone-tech-support day?? (Score:2)
Re:Three...uh...syllables (Score:2)
That was the deal I was supposed to have with Ajilon [ajilon.com]. Not only did the fsckers NOT honor that commitment, they also neglected to give me my final paycheck, as well as failing to reimburse me for over $1500 worth of travel expenses that were "guaranteed" to me IN WRITING. Now, I have to hire a lawyer just to get my fscking money and he'll probably steal half of it.
If you are a geek looking for work, and Ajilon calls, do yourself a big favor and tell them to get bent! They are a pack of fscking lying, thieving weasels. Do not trust a word they say. If you do decide to work for them, demand that they pay any travel expenses UP FRONT.
(Fortunatly I got a job with a fantastic company where I'm appreciated AND paid on time!)
"The axiom 'An honest man has nothing to fear from the police'
Actually, here's the COMPLETE BOFH archive... (Score:2)
Damn you, I was going to mention the BOFH first. :) Normally that wouldn't warrant a reply, BUT...
Here's a useful snippet. This [ntk.net] is the address to the *complete* BOFH archives.. I don't think this can be disputed as it's the author's own page, and has material as recent as 1999!
I've been reading this for about three weeks now off and on... damn good reading.
Help-desk (Score:2)
Re:***FUCK*** the sysadmin indeed... (Score:2)
If that is observed, I'd like to request a Programmer Appreciation Day, too :)
Oh boy. (Score:2)
I can see why this one has a funny symbol... (Score:2)
Kuro5hin sysadmins! (Score:2)
Re:THANKS A TON (Score:3)
Printing 500 page accounting reports on the photo-proof printer
"This will only take a second"
Five-hundred-meg pst files.
Politics. Stop telling us why you hate XYZ and how they are a b*tch.
Telling us how to do our job ("When are you going to linux? It's a better fileserver than NetWare")
Using things like napster and gnutella, then complaining about how the internet connection is soooooooooo slow.
"Why use the manual when we can ask the admin? Not like they are doing anything else."
Right before scheduled downtime, the inevitable "Wait, no, the finanicals have to go out today!" "It's 5pm, you couldn't do it *before* now?"
Eating our M&M supply. (We get a 2 lbs bag of M&Ms for every $400 worth of kit purchased)
Wondering why the mail server is slow, then proceeding to forward a five meg movie of a monkey peeing into it's mouth to your coworkers. You know, there's a reason why it takes seven hours to backup the mail server.
Open Letter to my users.. (Score:3)
Dear Users,
Today is National SysAdmin appreciation day. Yes, a day devoted to the countless geeks like me, who help you work better on our computers.
We do your backups, chmod those fules, and even fix the DB2 server for you.. All the while, slowly but surely losing our sanity.
If you wish to show your appreciation by contributing a "gift" I have crafted a list of recommended items below:
-Copy of Diablo 2
-Any Nerf Weapon
-Iced Mocha from Mojo's coffee in Austin Tx.
-Mt. Dew
-Palm Pilot (Palm V or VII only please.)
-Geforce 2 video card
-22" LCD monitor
Please feel free to deposit all gifts, in the "syadmin appreciation gift basket" Located inside my cubicle.
Thank you.
(Yes, my weary attempt at humour)
BOFH alive and well (Score:3)
Memories ? The BOFH is still alive and well and on The Register [theregister.co.uk] - BOFH 2K: Kit and Caboodle [theregister.co.uk].
tangent - art and creation are a higher purpose
Re:micro$oft Sysasmins (Score:3)
Users ask me all the time about things like that. Not that I couldn't figure it out in a couple of minutes, but I am not really interested and take the attitude RTFM.
Perhaps that is why I make it a point to eat a large bag of garlic and vinegar flavored potato chips in the afternoons to cut down on nonsensical calls. Then again maybe it's just cause those chips are so good ;)
Oh bug off (Score:3)
Sysadmins don't want to be apreciated, we want to be left alone!
Now please excuse me while I take these disks to the bulk era....er..bulk virus scanner...
NightHawk
Tyranny =Gov. choosing how much power to give the People.
Who deserves the most credit (Score:3)
great way to show your appreciation (Score:3)
All I can say is... (Score:3)
Oh what memories... :~(
Santa is a System Administrator (Score:4)
Why Santa is a System Administrator
KM = Keith Meidling
TS = Tony Shepps
SS = Steve Simmons
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Dear User (Score:4)
A serious answer (Score:4)
It's common in any large group: people specialize in what they're best at. It's been going on since the beginning of time: towns didn't have everyone dabbling as a blacksmith, or a preacher, or a mortician, even though anyone could do those things. Generally even very small towns usually had one of each. The same applies with sysadmins.
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Sysadmins at Napster (Score:4)
LS
micro$oft Sysasmins (Score:4)
The best sysadmin appreciation: $$$ (Score:4)
Re:***FUCK*** the sysadmin. (Score:5)
At best it should be treated as additional duties assigned to one of the programmers or other tech staff member, or even outsorce the job as needed to a temp service.
*sigh* You are completely clueless. There's nothing worse than a system run by a non-sysadmin. Programmers make the worst sysadmins on the planet. A monkey could do a better job of it. Honestly, you're better off with no sysadmin at all than with someone who really does something else but got forced into the job because nobody else wanted it.
Yet in some ways your analysis is correct: the really good sysadmins really don't have anything to do all day. They've already spent twelve 100-hour weeks setting everything up so perfectly that it runs itself, never needs fixing, and will last till the day the machines burn out. The programmer-sysadmins, on the other hand, seem to spend an awful lot of time fixing problems with the systems. Funny how that is. The fact that everything is working really is attributable to the admins. I've seen shops where things usually don't work right. Trust me, it's plenty possible to be a sufficiently lousy sysadmin that nothing ever works right. Of course, invariably those people are programmers or managers or brownnosing idiots or CIS/MIS fuckwits who are stuck doing sysadmin work until they can get back to their real jobs.
Go thank your admins for the fact you you never see them and the fact that they never do anything. That's the way it should be.
Re:You damn well should appreciate (Score:5)
That only happens on days that end in 'y'
From the "How to Please Your IT Dept." department (Score:5)
1. When you call us to have your computer moved, be sure to leave it
buried under half a ton of postcards, baby pictures, stuffed animals,
dried flowers, bowling trophies and children's art. We don't have a life,
and we find it deeply moving to catch a fleeting glimpse of yours.
2. Don't write anything down. Ever. We can play back the error messages
from here.
3. When an I.T. person says he's coming right over, go for coffee. That
way you won't be there when we need your password. It's nothing for us to
remember 700 screen saver passwords.
4. When I.T. support sends you an E-Mail with high importance, delete it
at once. We're just testing.
5. When an I.T. person is eating lunch at his desk, walk right in and
spill your guts right out. We exist only to serve.
6. Send urgent email all in uppercase. The mail server picks it up and
flags it as a rush delivery.
7. When something's wrong with your home PC, dump it on an I.T. person's
chair with no name, no phone number and no description of the problem. We
love a puzzle.
8. When the printer won't print, re-send the job at least 20 times. Print
jobs frequently get sucked into black holes.
9. When the printer still won't print after 20 tries, send the job to all
68 printers in the company. One of them is bound to work.
10. Don't learn the proper term for anything technical. We know exactly
what you mean by "My thingy blew up".
Don't use that URL! (Score:5)
These are the same creeps who are squatting on all the slashdot.org misspellings and putting our beloved News For Nerds site into frames.
Moderators please jack this up so people get the right site. (either way, it's still slashdotted right now)
THANKS A TON (Score:5)
Playing XBoing all day
Telling everyone "I'll get to it in my *spare* time".
Insulting the boss and getting away with it.
That *interesting* oder..
Deleting my home directory then blaming me for not backing it up!(ass munch)
Never explaining ANYTHING!
Getting paid more for doing less.
Knowing *everything* and never being wrong.
Your incredible lack of patience.
And all the other little things that make you soooo invaluable.
You damn well should appreciate (Score:5)
Sometimes you by Force overwhelmed are.