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Comment: Re:One thing for sure (Score 1) 373

by arth1 (#49141641) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

Anyone can mine quotes, but unless you provide the context for each, you have no strength in your argument.

I did. I provided the book, chapter and verse for each, and you can read all the context you need. Or cherry pick the context and interpret it so it doesn't have to apply to you.

(And the fallacy you just fell for is known as the continuum fallacy - rejecting all of a claim because the part you saw is not as precise or extensive as desired.)

Comment: Re:One thing for sure (Score 3, Insightful) 373

by arth1 (#49140633) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

I'm sorry you're wrong. Many (most are obsolete) medical advances came from cleric scientists.

What does that prove? That they would not have had the advances if it wasn't for religion? Why do you think so?

Mind that everything had to be done in the name of religion in past days. There was no way around it. You couldn't build a bridge without it being to the glory of fucking god. Any healing was attributed to the deity. Those who tried to practice outside the confines of the church, like wise women, were killed as heretics. The only safe way to practice was within the church.
And even today, religion holds medical science back. Stem cell research is a good example.

But all in all, most scientists today are, fortunately, atheists or agnostics, and manage to roll out miracle after miracle without the need to attribute it to a faith. The rapid increase in science coincides nicely with the loss of control of the religions.

Comment: Re:One thing for sure (Score 4, Insightful) 373

by arth1 (#49140465) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

This is true... and in this case, if robots are going to have any sort of religion, Christianity ain't a bad way to go (mind you: I mean it as originally proposed, not as perverted by humanity since.)

Funny how all Christians claim that their path is the original path, and everybody else has perverted it, yet they all pick and choose the pieces they want to believe in.

"Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me" -- Mark 10:21

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." -- Luke 14:26

"Permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." -- 1 Timothy 2:12

"Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle, but also those who are harsh." -- 1 Peter 2:18

What's your picks, and rationale for not following ALL of those? Pick and choose, pick and choose...

Comment: Re:... I'd be highly insulted if i were religious (Score 1) 373

by arth1 (#49140279) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

Even with your definition which seems to conflict with the one I responded to, there would be logical issues.
Would it be the soul at the period of dying that should be counted, or at any other point? What if brain deterioration or augmentation occurs during life? What about people with a severed corpus callolsum? Do they have two souls?

The very concept of soul seems to me to not be compatible with science. It is up to those who believe in a soul to define what a soul is, and what the rules are. It is too easy to come up with cases that doesn't fit, and no firm boundaries seem to be possible.
I would call the soul myth debunked.

Comment: Re:... I'd be highly insulted if i were religious (Score 1) 373

by arth1 (#49139763) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

Souls are in the domain of God. Man's programming will never 'create' a soul. It may, someday, mimic a soul, and if so, I'd prefer it mimic the soul of Jesus rather than some other souls the world has known. But regardless of it's ability to do so, it isn't and will never be an eternal soul.

Allow me a small thought experiment, okay?
You presumably believe that you have an eternal soul. If you don't, bear with me and pretend.

What if science proceeds to the point that we can transfer your brain into a computer. Would you lose your soul?

What if we proceeded further, so we could transfer your memories and thoughts into a replica of your own brain? Would you lose your soul?

What if we could clone your brain? Would that create an additional soul?

What if, in order to save your life, we would replace part of your brain with machinery? Would you lose your soul? Would it depend on whether it was 5%, 50% or 99% of the brain? If so, how much?

I'm sorry, but the only definition of "soul" that makes any kind of logical sense to me is that "soul" is a fear of death, and willingness to believe absurdities to not have to deal with the probability that this life is it.

Comment: Re:One thing for sure (Score 3, Insightful) 373

by arth1 (#49139617) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

Speaking only for the "religion" that I know the most able, you are living in a world and culture shaped by us. Hospitals, in western culture, are a result of religious people. Schools, colleges, and universities are the result of religious people. Religious people claim many good and wholesome actions as a result of communicating with their god.

They can claim all they like, but from what I can see, advances in medicine, physics, etc. happened despite of religion, and there is absolutely no indication that any of what happened within a religious context happened due to "communications with their god". And there are plenty of examples of religion setting us back and suppressing the truth - sometimes centuries. The ancient knowledge of the earth circling the sun, medical knowledge that thought and feelings originated in the brain, and the mathematical concept of zero were all suppressed. Was this too due to "communications with god"? Or is it only "proof" of communications with god when the result is in your favor?

One of the big fallacies of religion is the belief that everything good comes from good, thus because there is good, it proves god. This is absurd and false.

Comment: Re:God created man, man created robot (Score 1) 373

by arth1 (#49139421) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

Nobody should worship anybody based on faith.

What is it acceptable to base worship on, then? A perfect set of boobs?

As I see it, worship is destructive.
Faith can be useful, as long as it's used for making predictable decisions with lack of data. But when data arrives, the faith should be abandoned.

Comment: Re:one thing required for AI religion (Score 1) 373

by arth1 (#49139009) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

To paraphrase Captain Kirk:

What does a starship need a god for?

Anyhow, I think it's a non-issue. Long before non-squishy machines will have the ability of independent thought, which is mere science fiction today, I trust that we squishies will have looked embarrassed at our feet and admitted that the emperor has no clothes.

Comment: Re:Is that really a lot? (Score 1) 232

by arth1 (#49138823) Attached to: Drones Cost $28,000 Per Arrest, On Average

So importing cheap labor is better than fixing a broken system that is leaving over 100 million working-aged citizens in the lurch?

Why presume the two are mutually exclusive?

There isn't a finite amount of jobs that people compete for. When we buy cheap stuff from China, we make a decision not to pay for creation of more jobs here. Jobs that can go to people willing to work and live here, pay taxes here, and support the local economy - whether the workers were born in Tijuana or San Diego.

Comment: Re:Black Mirror (Score 1) 227

by smellsofbikes (#49138579) Attached to: 5 White Collar Jobs Robots Already Have Taken

But at some point people will notice that their friends and neighbours are being burnt. The point is that you have to pacify the majority or else they turn on those in power.

In Brave New World, the proles had drugs and sex to keep them happy: it's a much better prediction of the future than 1984 in many ways.

As Martin Niemoller said, in a different context:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist."
and so forth. If they first kill off the homeless, then they kill off the very poor, then they kill off the illegal immigrants, they never have to pacify the majority. They just have to keep them scared enough to not protest.

By the way, Neil Postman wrote an interesting book called "Amusing Ourselves To Death", where he compared the futures predicted by Brave New World and 1984 and talked about why he thought we were heading towards Brave New World. Some of his information is pretty dated -- he totally didn't expect the universal surveillance state we seem to be entering into -- but it's still an excellent exploration of what you're suggesting.

+ - New Icons of Windows 10 Do Not Please Users Aesthetically-> 2

Submitted by jones_supa
jones_supa (887896) writes "A lot of people got nauseous about the flat looks of Modern UI presented in Windows 8. Recent builds of Windows 10 Technical Preview have now started replacing the shell icons, and to some people they are just too much to bear. Basically, Microsoft opted to change the icons in search of a fresh and modern look, but there are plenty of people out there who claim that all these new icons are actually very ugly and the company would better stick to the previous design. To find out what people think about these icons, Softpedia asked its readers to tell their opinion and the messages received in the last couple of days pretty much speak for themselves. There are only few testers who think that these icons look good, but the majority wants Microsoft to change them before the final version of the operating system comes out."
Link to Original Source

+ - Redmond Duo Axed for Alleged $7k Korean Hostess Bar Expense Inquiry

Submitted by ian_po
ian_po (234542) writes "Two Ex-Microsoft Managers are suing their twice former employer for wrongful termination stemming from inquiries into a subordinate's questionable business expenses. Ted Stockwell and his supervisor, Eric Engstrom, claim that a member of their Bing team racked up more than $7,000 in costs for meetings held in South Korean 'hostess bars' while entertaining business guests. The pair believe hostess bars in Asia provide guests sexual services akin to prostitution. The two say that after they reported the employee to Human Resources, as well as to their Boss, they were told to drop their complaint by HR. An executive intervened and had the accused employee transferred. Their subsequent poor performance reviews, which led to their layoffs, will be fodder for a pending court case."

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