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Comment Not interesting yet. (Score 4, Informative) 49

It's possible that cetaceans have a true language. They certainly have something that seems to function the same as a "hello, I am (name)", where the name part differs between all cetaceans but the surrounding clicks are identical. The response clicks also include that same phrase which researchers think serves the purpose of a name.

But we've done structural analysis to death and, yes, all the results are interesting (it seems to have high information content, in the Shannon sense, seems to have some sort of structure, and seems to have intriguing early-language features), but so does the Voynich Manuscript and there's a 99.9% chance that the Voynich Manuscript is a fraud with absolutely no meaning whatsoever. Structure only tells you if something is worth a closer look and we have known for a long time that cetacean clicks were worth a closer look. Further structural work won't tell us anything we don't already know.

What we need is to have a long-term recording of activities and clicks/whistles, where the sounds are recorded from many different directions (because they can be highly directional) and where the recording positively identifies the source of each sound, what that source was doing at the time (plus what they'd been doing immediately prior and what they do next), along with what they're focused on and where the sounds were directed (if they were). This sort of analysis is where any new information can be found.

But we also need to look at lessons learned in primate research, linguistics, sociology and anthropology, to understand what ISN'T going to work, in terms of approaches. In all three cases, we've learned that you learn best immersively, not from a distance. If an approach has failed in EVERY OTHER SOCIAL SCIENCE, then assuming it is going to work in cetacean research is stupid. It might be the correct way to go, but assuming it is is the bit that is stupid. If things fail repeatedly, regardless of where they are applied, then there's a decent chance it is necessary to ask that maybe the stuff that keeps failing is defective.

Comment Re: Reason (Score 1) 83

Sorry, I didn't mean to twist your panties. I was merely pointing out (pedantically, I admit) that the rules of logic are not identical to the rules of statistics. LLMs (and arguably all current generations of AI models) are inherently statistical systems. This can be pretty easily demonstrated by the fact that all current LLMs can be coaxed into saying things that are illogical. As you point out you can "approximate" logic and arrive at logical conclusions with these systems, but you are not doing so using a logic engine. You are doing so using a stochastic system.

At the philosophical level, logic exists outside of our neurons. Its rules are (as far as we accept anything in reality) independent of human existence. So just because our neurons are also subject to the imperfections of stochastic systems does not mean that ALL stochastic systems are logical.

Comment Re:robot version (Score 1) 83

AI 'reasoning' also means you can manipulate it.

If you have access to its command-input interface, either you own the system and are expected to be able to manipulate it, or you've somehow obtained unauthorized access, in which case it has a security problem, and it would be an equally serious problem for a non-AI system.

Comment Re:How? (Score 3, Interesting) 145

How, exactly, is a private household supposed to increase their energy usage in the summer? Mine Bitcoin? And how will using more energy reduce their bills? This just shows the unintended problem with solar: It needs to be coupled with lots of storage - not hours, but weeks.

You could mine Bitcoin, I suppose, but the obvious thing to do would be charge up your EV. Energy storage on wheels!

Comment Re:Another reason to not buy Sony kit (Score 1) 80

Consumers are going to stop buying everything eventually. Because the enshittification isn't limited to a single vendor. And there does not seem to be any market pressure to provide more features and more services for less cost. We're on a direct route to rentier capitalism, and I'm afraid I have no suggestions on how to avoid ending up there.

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