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Comment: Re:10% Ethanol (Score 1) 556

by j-turkey (#38718610) Attached to: Is E85 Dead Now?

Just for argument's sake: the petro-fertilizer used to grow corn almost certainly does not include the fractions used to make gasoline.

Correct - the metrics quoted are a calorie-per-calorie analysis of what it takes to make raw materials (e.g. calories of petroleum used for fertilizer to grow one calorie of corn). This does not include calories lost during the distillation process or what is consumed during the high temperatures required for distillation.

...unless I'm misunderstanding your comment.

Comment: Re:it puts the scare to foreign oil (Score 1) 556

by j-turkey (#38718346) Attached to: Is E85 Dead Now?

even if there is no other reason to product E85, if it causes pause in oil-rich countries that hate us and our freedoms, but want to gobble down our money while it's still good, hell yes, go E85.

if the US would build the appropriate pipelines to use the ND/MT/WY oil from the Bakken and other formations, where we have three Saudi Arabias worth of oil availiable for the fracking where there are no earthquake zones, we wouldn't even need to think about E85 or other alternatives to oil for a good hundred years.

as it is, we need to use everything we have to get away from using... everything we have... and build an alternate energy system in this country.

How would this cause pause to the oil-rich countries if conventional fertilizers use 2 calories of petroleum for every one calorie of corn grown (source: Michael Pollun's book, The Omnivore's Dilemna )? It sounds to me like E85 a good thing for them. Also, keep in mind that when you talk about foreign oil in America, realize that our number 1 provider of foreign oil is Canada. America imports far more oil from Canada than anywhere else in the world.

Comment: Re:10% Ethanol (Score 5, Informative) 556

by j-turkey (#38718134) Attached to: Is E85 Dead Now?

That's just semantics.

It takes less energy to drill a gallon of gasoline out of the ground and deliver it to your fuel tank than you gain by burning that fuel in your engine. It takes more energy to grow corn, turn it into ethanol and deliver it to your fuel tank than you gain from burning that ethanol.

If you were using solar powered tractors to grow the corn, and solar powered trucks to move it around it might make sense (just might, it wouldn't necessarily.) Given that most of the energy to produce the ethanol comes from gasoline or diesel, it makes no sense to use ethanol.

I believe that in most cases, it's more than just semantics. Most (not all) corn is grown using conventional (petroleum-based) fertilizer. According to Michael Pollan, producing one calorie of corn uses two calories of petro-fertilizer. This is only counting fertilizer use, not the additional energy used for farm equipment, moving product/raw materials, the distillation process or loss of energy during distillation.

I'm shocked that this is not cited elsewhere when discussing Ethanol as an energy source, especially when used to reduce our dependency on petroleum (foreign or otherwise). Given that we're using more petroleum to make it than it would save, it appears to be a bit of a boondoggle.

...either that or I'm horribly misinformed. (Note: Pollan's book cites a peer reviewed study for this claim - I'm just citing what I read from memory)

Comment: On #2: Biometrics are not secrets (Score 4, Insightful) 219

by j-turkey (#38435508) Attached to: IBM's Five Predictions For the Next Five Years
Bruce Schneier said it better than I can.

Biometrics are unique identifiers, but they are not secrets. You leave your fingerprints on everything you touch, and your iris patterns can be observed anywhere you look.

Authenticating with biometrics is little better than using social security numbers. They are both unique identifiers, but neither are secrets, making them better suited to user id's. Passwords, on the other hand, are secrets.

Comment: Re:For Americans only? (Score 0, Flamebait) 198

by j-turkey (#38176676) Attached to: Black Friday, for me, means ...
I truly empathize with your people. It is so unfortunate that the people in your country have no access to Wikipedia or Google to do some independent research about a meaningless poll that you may or may not understand. However, I am so happy that you somehow still have access to other American websites to complain about American-centric posts.

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