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Comment Re:TLDR (Score 1) 82

The price thing is important. What I suspect is that when companies can no longer subsidize bot use via investor funds and per market-share fights, users will balk at prices and look for cheaper alternatives, which may result in better model compression and/or overseas commodification, meaning the US data-centers won't be competitive, and those investors will get screwed, possibly triggering a Wallstreet crash.

Comment Re:Funny ... (Score 1) 82

Needs 'Cold Hard' Proof

That's what I said about AGW. And do you know what most people told me?

I know what I told you. I told you that, for a start, read the IPCC working group 1 report "The Physical Science Basis of Climate Change".
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6...

The way you can tell when people who claim to be skeptics aren't, is that when you tell them where to find the answer to their questions they don't want to hear it.

Many being the same people here trying to sell AGI.

I have never tried to sell AGI. (And I most certainly don't think large language models are AGI, or are ever going to evolve into AGI or anything like it.)

Comment Re:Could it be that Labor is Cheap? (Score 2) 82

Labor is also cheaper than AI.

Companies need to burn thousands of dollars in tokens to get agents to do even vaguely equivalent work. Sure, the agent works all night and doesn't need breaks, but it also costs money literally every second you use it, and the end result STILL needs to be checked to make sure nothing insane happened.

Humans--even if you pay them a fair wage--are remarkably efficient at turning food (and coffee) into code and systems. The so-called 10x or 100x programmers (guys like Carmack) really DO exist. And while they're a nightmare to work with, generally speaking, they'll code circles around any agent. If you want something that nobody likes working with that will also give you hard to maintain code, hire a 10x programmer. At least you'll get a working system at the end of the day, and he didn't use a swimming pool full of water an a small gas power plant worth of energy to get it done.

Comment Re:Results over tools (Score 1) 85

So far, experiments have shown that one cannot expect people to remain as diligent after extended periods of LLM use.

This is absolutely a problem if you work in a shitty sweatshop that forces you to be a sin eater for robot code.

The way we do it is, the tools are available, but you're not required to use them in any specific way or really, at all if you don't want to. You do, of course, have to get your work done and be responsible for your code. We have a spectrum of use, from all-in cascades of agents through folks who use it as little more than a search engine.

We had a few incidents where people were caught out and couldn't explain why their code did what it did, but that seemed to be enough to warn the rest; that hasn't happened in a while. I don't see our "velocity" stats, so I don't know if/to what extent the robots are speeding us up, but knowing our bean counters we wouldn't be maintaining our spend at this point if there weren't a visible bottom-line result. I do see our bug and incident metrics, which haven't seen any impact from LLM use.

If you work in a shithole, yeah, they're going to burn you out. But that's about sociopathic management, not the robot. They'd wear you down a different way if LLMs didn't exist.

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