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Comment Re:Lies, big lies, and statistics (Score 1) 268

I'm not saying that science can never be wrong, but it is certainly the best tool we have for understanding our universe.

Somehow I think that is just a phrase you mindlessly repeat without actually understanding why it is so. If you did understand how science works, you would be horribly ashamed you used scientific consensus. You might as well base your political beliefs on the divine right of kings.

Comment Re:100% Consensus among scientific organizations (Score 1) 268

One if it gets angry and whiny like a lefty it's probably a lefty.

Anyway
For 50+ years I have been watching prediction of climate doom come to naught.
You can also toss in the population bomb, eco doom, peak oil all pan out to nothing.

Now if you want to talk about Ideology and public planning, you need to look at how the enviro nuts stopped California's water system improvements in a state known to have extended droughts.

 

Comment Re:Lies, big lies, and statistics (Score 1) 268

I have trouble understanding how anyone in a technologically advanced culture can think science is decided by vote.

You have the causality exactly backwards.

O'Rly ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
http://blogs.scientificamerica...
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/h...

Everyone of those are examples of "CONSENSUS" that are totally disproven.

Consensus is about as relevant to scientific progress as potholes are to commuting.

Comment Re:100% Consensus among scientific organizations (Score 2) 268

Lots of science is closed. One example is my right wing government who has layered on 7 layers of bureaucracy between the scientists and the public and in the end declared that all publicly financed science is protected IP that is under copyright forever.

Don't know where you live but in the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

A work of the United States government, as defined by the United States copyright law, is "a work prepared by an officer or employee" of the federal government "as part of that person's official duties."[1] In general, under section 105 of the Copyright Act,[2] such works are not entitled to domestic copyright protection under U.S. law.

Comment Re:Lies, big lies, and statistics (Score 1) 268

I'm glad we at least agree that there is a scientific consensus

Unfortunately you make me sad. I have trouble understanding how anyone in a technologically advanced culture can think science is decided by vote.

Anyone who uses the term "Scientific Consensus" just proves they understand nothing about science.

Comment Re:Lies, big lies, and statistics (Score 1) 268

I'm not sure that a recollection by a journalist of a conversation that took place decades earlier really represents a prediction

I'm not sure how asking pointed questions of people with a vested interest on a topic constitutes finding.

My that was easy.

Regarding hurricanes, the consensus view is that changes should not yet be evident. I'm not sure how that can be considered a failed prediction unless changes are in fact already evident.

The predictions go back to testimony before congress in the 80s.

But I am not one to quibble. Global warming is an endless source of wrong predictions

Here's another
http://www.spiegel.de/internat...

It's a real shame none of the people who knew what the effects of global warming would be didn't make their careers, prove once and for all the validity of their position by pointing out the error of this. BTW doesn't the UN run the IPCC as well ?

Comment Re:Lies, big lies, and statistics (Score 1) 268

Good point. the consensus has been measured many times using different methods ranging from literature reviews to polls of scientists.

That's nice. I live in a funny kind of world where science isn't a matter of agreement so much as making predictions, then having them happen.

So when Hansen says NYC is supposed to be under water by now
http://www.salon.com/2001/10/2...
And it's not, that's fail.

When the prediction is for more and more intense Hurricanes and they don't occur
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_w...
That's fail.

So I someone with an agenda doing a survey, to determine "Consensus" looks like someone with an agenda that wants to use "Consensus" to bludgeon people that disagree.

I also look at anyone who says Consensus as a counter to failed predictions as an idiot.

Comment Re:100% Consensus among scientific organizations (Score 2, Funny) 268

the bills are a charade.
a troll.
like you.

it claims to be about promoting science but the reality is it silences it. they are fake plays at 'transparency' made in an attempt to hamstring the EPA, NASA, NOAA, and anyone else whose science their corporate owners don't agree with. there is a reason virtually no honest scientist actually supports those trolls of a bill, besides the fact that there is no such thing as 'secret science' anyway.

now collect your silver and be gone shill.

I enjoy your factual and well reasoned argument. You truly exemplify the intellectual prowess I have come to expect of the left.

Comment Re:Lies, big lies, and statistics (Score 1, Interesting) 268

You sound as if you don't like it when people turn their knowledge into money.

Knowledge not at all. Abuse of position oh yes indeed.

Then again maybe you think this was just honest graft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

A term so ridiculous it could only be coined by a democrat.

Comment Re:Lies, big lies, and statistics (Score 2, Interesting) 268

Of course not, but the consensus is driven by the science. That makes it a useful heuristic.

LOL, if it's being argued before congress it's being driven by money.

Ask Al Gore the king of carbon cap trading.
Ask the people made out like bandits on ethanol mandates.

Comment Re:100% Consensus among scientific organizations (Score 3, Insightful) 268

GOP Science Bill
Yep, the GOP passed a bill requiring legislation based on science be open and reproducible. The DNC and the president, who promised to veto the bill, said there is no room for open science in legislation.

But, its the GOP that is anti-science....

Whats it called when you refuse to allow science to be reproducible and open. I think that used the be the platform of the Catholic Church back when Galileo was alive. Even the Catholic Church has modernized more than you and the DNC.

See you ran into a leftist with a grudge.

I love the way they support inconvenient truths, but go out of their way to bury inconvenient facts.

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