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Google Publicizes DMCA Takedowns

Posted by michael on Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:42 PM
from the sunlight-is-best-medicine dept.
dmarti writes "In an apparent response to criticism of its handling of a threatening letter from a Church of Scientology lawyer, the popular search engine Google has begun to make so-called "takedown" letters public. DMCA-censored pages are now two clicks and a cut-and-paste away from the regular search results."
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  • The Article (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2002, @12:46PM (#3330462)
    (Posted AC, so I'm not whoring...don't need it anyways, but I expect the site to die soon)

    Attention DMCA lawyers: Try to remove a web site from Google's index and you'll probably just make it more popular.

    In an apparent response to criticism of its handling of a threatening letter from a Church of Scientology lawyer, the popular search engine Google has begun to make so-called "takedown" letters public. DMCA-censored pages are now two clicks and a cut-and-paste away from the regular search results.

    The full text of two new letters to Google, dated April 9 and 10, already appears on the free speech site chillingeffects.org. "I think it's great that they're calling attention to the way the takedown provision can be used to compromise their search results," said Wendy Seltzer, Fellow of Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School and co-founder of chillngeffects.org.

    Google is still choosing to take advantage of the Safe Harbor provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which allows web sites to escape liability for copyright infringement if they take pages down in response to properly formed letters.

    In a controversial move last month, Google pulled all pages from the anti-Scientology site xenu.net then restored the site's home page amid Internet outcry, just as Linux Journal readers were on their way to visit Google in person to ask for help finding censored pages about the alien warlord Xenu who is a key figure in Scientology's creation legend.

    Only the name and telephone number of the attorney who wrote the letters have been removed from the copies on chillingeffects.org. Both of the new letters originate from the Los Angeles law firm of Moxon & Kobrin, where attorney Helena Kobrin has long been Scientology's standard-bearer against church critics on the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology and other online fora. Kobrin was not immediately available for comment

    The letters are also linked to directly from Google search results. When results would have included a DMCA-censored page, the results page now includes a link to the takedown letter that resulted in the page being removed. A search this morning for site:xenu.net scientology produced the message:

    "In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 8 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."
    Failing to act in response to a DMCA takedown letter is not against the law. "They can always choose not to take advantage of the safe harbor," Seltzer said. However, only by complying with the letter and taking pages out of their index can Google escape a possible copyright infringement lawsuit.

    Finally, Google has expanded its DMCA page to include instructions for Counter Notification under the DMCA. A webmaster who believes that a non-infringing page is being unfairly censored can write the proper legal incantations and have the page put back into the index.

    Google is then required to forward this Counter Notification to the original notifier, and then put the page back in the index "not less than 10 or more than 14" days after Google receives the Counter Notification. If your site is pulled out of Google and you're confused, chillingeffects.org has a web form that will generate a correctly formed Counter Notification.
  • It is good to see that privately made threats... by SnowDeath (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @12:46PM
  • clueless... (Score:5, Informative)

    by thrillbert (146343) on Friday April 12 2002, @12:48PM (#3330482) Homepage Journal
    This is the perfect response from google. It's about time people learned what the internet is all about, and stop whining that their crappy stuff somehow made it on the net in the first place.

    I mean come on.. google creates a crawler that goes out and finds stuff, they list on their site what they find, and now clueless morons want to make them responsible for having links to that information?????

    Security through obscurity.. yeah.. that'll keep em out!

    ---
    " - anonymous
    • Re:clueless... by dukethug (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @12:53PM
      • Re:clueless... by dthable (Score:3) Friday April 12 2002, @01:05PM
        • Re:clueless... (Score:5, Informative)

          by Rick the Red (307103) <.Rick.The.Red. .at. .gmail.com.> on Friday April 12 2002, @01:32PM (#3330787) Journal
          In some ways they can. Congressmen and women can change anything they say on the floor in open debate before it's published in the Congressional Record. They can even have the Congressional Record print speaches they never made, and remove entire speaches they did make. They can rise on the floor and endlessly support issue A, then edit their remarks so the Congressional Record makes it look like they were against issue A; when opponents try to find juicy quotes to run in campaign ads, there are none.

          Thank God they still can't hide their voting record, but they sure try to obscure it, with bills and amendments named the exact opposite of what they do. My favorite example: the "Privacy Act" of 1974 requires banks to keep a photocopy of every check you write. How this protects my privacy is beyond me, but would you want to hear that your Senator voted against the "Privacy Act"?

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          • Re:clueless... by Happy Monkey (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @02:03PM
            • DOH! Crossposted! by BLKMGK (Score:3) Friday April 12 2002, @02:12PM
              • Re:DOH! Crossposted! (Score:4, Interesting)

                by Rick the Red (307103) <.Rick.The.Red. .at. .gmail.com.> on Friday April 12 2002, @02:58PM (#3331284) Journal
                A search on Thomas [loc.gov] found this:

                The Senate passed it 99-0. [senate.gov]

                The House held a voice vote, near as I can tell. My search [loc.gov] ("digital millennium copyright" in the Word/Phrase search field) returned:

                1. H.R.2281 : To amend title 17, United States Code, to implement the World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty and Performances and Phonograms Treaty.

                Sponsor: Rep Coble, Howard- Latest Major Action: 10/28/1998 Became Public Law No: 105-304.
                Committees: House Judiciary; House Energy and Commerce; House Ways and Means
                A search [house.gov] of the House site [house.gov] found no recorded vote on H.R.2281. So apparantly both stories are true: It was a voice vote, but the Senate recorded theirs.

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              • Re: Reference to the voice vote (Score:4, Informative)

                by alangmead (109702) on Friday April 12 2002, @03:53PM (#3331632)
                According to this article in the Boston Globe [newsbank.com] (an archive article which unfortunately requires both registration and a $2.50 charge.) Has the following passage:
                The bill cleared the House in March 1998 but stalled in the Senate. Finally, in October, just before the end of the congressional term, a similar version reached the Senate floor, passed by unanimous consent, and cleared the House the same day in a voice vote. No members of Congress had to go on record with their votes.
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              • The voting record on the DMCA is obvious... by Xenographic (Score:1) Saturday April 13 2002, @12:47AM
          • Hint.. by BLKMGK (Score:3) Friday April 12 2002, @02:06PM
            • Re:Hint.. by blamanj (Score:3) Friday April 12 2002, @02:30PM
              • Re:Hint.. by rosewood (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @05:06PM
            • Re:Hint.. by Misch (Score:3) Friday April 12 2002, @02:34PM
              • Re: Hint... by kadehje (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @09:11PM
              • Re: Hint... by Misch (Score:2) Saturday April 13 2002, @02:17AM
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          • Intresting... by SvnLyrBrto (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @03:55PM
          • Re:clueless... by ethereal (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @04:38PM
          • Re:clueless... by rudbek (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @04:51PM
      • Re:clueless... by great throwdini (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @02:04PM
    • Re:clueless... by 56ker (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:04PM
    • Agreed (Score:4, Insightful)

      by BLKMGK (34057) <morejunk4me@ho[ ]il.com ['tma' in gap]> on Friday April 12 2002, @01:30PM (#3330770) Homepage
      I'm not sure I could think of any other response that Google could've made that would have been any better. By doing this they protect their interests, provide information to the public about why they've taken the actions they have, and if you read the letters you should be able to figure out what site was removed! They effectively sidestep this legal manuever, expose the twits who've harrased them, and give us enough information to find the site we wanted.

      Actually, it's a bit of a shame that they are hiding telephone numbers etc. on the letters in question. I understand why - to prevent harrasing calls etc. - but hey the letter is apparently public record why not expose them? Seems fair enough to me! :-)

      I applaude Google for doing this, it's just a shame I can't read the article in question :-( Score one for my favorite search engine!

      [ Parent ]
      • Exposing them... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Ungrounded Lightning (62228) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:53PM (#3330923) Journal
        Actually, it's a bit of a shame that they are hiding telephone numbers etc. on the letters in question. I understand why - to prevent harrasing calls etc. - but hey the letter is apparently public record why not expose them? Seems fair enough to me! :-)

        Fair, yes. B-) But also an excuse for the Church of Scientology's lawyers to demand the letter be taken down. With the contact info removed they can't hide behind a harassment claim. They must expose their REAL reason for trying to get it down: censorship of any negative information about the behavior of CoS and its members.

        I'm glad to see Google standing up in this manner. One of the major problems with the DCMA is that, in order for an anonymous poster to keep his site/links up, he must expose his identity. If the web page is critical of a criminal or gang which will harras the poster with extralegal actions once they FIND him, this requirement has a major chilling effect on anonymous speech.
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      • Re:Agreed by blamanj (Score:3) Friday April 12 2002, @02:38PM
    • Re:clueless... by AndroidCat (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @03:41PM
  • About time... by blankmange (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @12:48PM
    • Google DIDN'T pull the pages (Score:5, Insightful)

      by somethingwicked (260651) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:24PM (#3330747)
      Just to be clear, Google DID NOT pull the pages. They simply removed the challenged results that would normally appear in that search...

      WHY???

      Because they were following the law to the T...

      They are only protected by the Safe Harbor provision if they honor the Notification letter.

      And it can be simply reversed by a Counter-Notification.

      This REALLY is the most logical way for this to work. It moves the responibility off of the indexer and puts it on the party publishing the information vs. the party claiming the info is copyrighted.

      If "the man" ever shows up at Google's offices, they just whip out the documentation from each party and a copy of the law and say "goodday" to the badge.

      [ Parent ]
  • by IanA (260196) on Friday April 12 2002, @12:49PM (#3330492)
    Anti-DMCA dot org [anti-dmca.org]
  • Go Oogle! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mr_Perl (142164) on Friday April 12 2002, @12:50PM (#3330496) Homepage
    Thanks to a bright suggestion [slashdot.org], I and probably lots of others have started linking to [darkpoetry.com] scientology [xenu.net] to help bump xenu.net up in the search engine listings.

    It's now number 2 in the rankings [google.com] which is 3 spots higher than a few weeks ago so perhaps this small form of protest is also working!
  • What a Great idea! by kvn299 (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @12:50PM
  • I heart Google. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by agent oranje (169160) on Friday April 12 2002, @12:51PM (#3330506) Journal
    It seems as though Google has realized that the majority of people using their search engine are home users, who want to find good pages with information they want. By telling people that the DMCA has resulted in the removal of said pages, it's informing the average user of what laws such as the DMCA actually mean to them!

    I think its a fairly bold statement on Google's part, saying that the end user is more important than the corperate jackasses.
  • Behold the power... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Cyclopedian (163375) on Friday April 12 2002, @12:51PM (#3330507) Journal
    of this fully operational slashdotting!

    Of course, someone will come up and say "a slashdotting is insignificant next to the power of a Google Cache."

    -Cyc

  • Page is already /.ed, but go Google! by bryan1945 (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @12:52PM
  • scientology's new weapon (Score:4, Funny)

    by slhack3r (324207) <jnewland@gmail.com> on Friday April 12 2002, @12:52PM (#3330519) Homepage Journal
    hmm...we can't seem to get this page taken down or off of google.....let's just send a link in to Slashdot? those uber-nurds will take care of the webserver in no time!
  • Letters online at chillingeffects.org (Score:3, Informative)

    by chrisvr (41985) on Friday April 12 2002, @12:52PM (#3330520)
    The letters from the Church of Scientology are on chillingeffects.org [chillingeffects.org]

    What a bunch of goobers...
  • I've been wondering about this for a long time. They cache possibly illegal content, and are certianly distributing some stuff that the authors aren't giving them permission to, as well as possibly linking to sites which violate DMCA (and if they recieve too many letters about this, it could take forever to take down all the sites that are apparently violating the act).

    It seems that Google might be breaking some of the current laws, or may break some in the future. IMHO, this is a good thing, because there are so many people who think that Google is an innocent, noble and pure search engine. The law may just be changed so that Google no longer violates it. I would certainly hate to see such a mechanism slip quietly into the night.
  • And now the Linux Journal is /.'ed by chancycat (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @12:53PM
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  • Soo.... (Score:4, Funny)

    by krb (15012) on Friday April 12 2002, @12:53PM (#3330534) Homepage
    Does this make google a circumvention device?

    • Re:Soo.... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Crash Culligan (227354) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:06PM (#3330623) Journal
      Google merely posted a link to a copy of the church's DMCA warning letter, which itself links to a list of the "offending" links.

      That makes the DCMA warning letter itself a sort of circumvention device.

      Ahhhhh, sweet irony...

      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Soo.... by FFFish (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:24PM
        • Re:Soo.... by Amazing Quantum Man (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:49PM
          • Re:Soo.... by ckd (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:57PM
            • Re:Soo.... by sab39 (Score:3) Friday April 12 2002, @02:09PM
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      • Re:Soo.... by EvanED (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @09:04PM
    • Re:Soo.... (Score:4, Funny)

      by LadyLucky (546115) on Friday April 12 2002, @03:48PM (#3331606) Homepage
      Does this make google a circumvention device?

      Sounds painful.

      [ Parent ]
  • Read the complaints made to Google (Score:5, Informative)

    by thesolo (131008) <slap@fighttheriaa.org> on Friday April 12 2002, @12:56PM (#3330543) Homepage
    You can read the complaints that the lawyers for the church of scientology made to Google here:
    1) Complaint #2 -- April 9 [chillingeffects.org]
    2) Complaint #3 -- April 10 [chillingeffects.org]

    And more importantly, go Google for publicizing the links! Yet another reason why Google is the best search engine around.
  • Obvious response.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2002, @12:56PM (#3330544)
    ...send another complaint claiming that the first complaint letter is copyrighted and must be taken down. Google can then take down the first and post the second. Then send a third DMCA complaint about the second letter. Ad infinitum.

    An even more evil plan would be to send two DMCA complaints for each DMCA complaint published, perhaps one for the first half, one for the second half. The exponential growth of DMCA complaint letters could bring even Google to its knees.

    Of course, it'd be hard to generate all these complaint letters. So what you do is, build the Google API into an Outlook virus, which looks for published DMCA letters on Google and sends an automatic complaint. Soon the entire Internet will be crippled by the DMCA deluge...which was sorta the idea from the beginning, I think.

  • It doesn't work. by cryptochrome (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @12:59PM
    • Re:It doesn't work. by soap.xml (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:08PM
    • Re:It doesn't work. by oasisbob (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:12PM
    • by mbauser2 (75424) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:13PM (#3330669) Homepage
      Don't search for "xenu.net Scientology", search for "site:xenu.net Scientology". You have to include the "site" keyword. The notice is at the bottom of the results page.

      I don't think many people are going to see these DMCA notifications, because I don't think that many people search this way. If they know a given site has information on a topic, most of them go straight to the site, don't they?
      [ Parent ]
    • same here by raygundan (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:14PM
    • Re:It doesn't work. (Score:5, Informative)

      by kindbud (90044) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:15PM (#3330689) Homepage
      I tried that trick (searching for "xenu.net scientology" in google). The link to xenu.net is up and there was no message about the DMCA.

      That's because there is plenty of material at Xenu.net about Scientology that doesn't infringe and wasn't taken down. That, and you did the query wrong. It's "site:xenu.net scientology" to find all pages mentioning Scientology at Xenu.net. Your query turns up mostly other sites and Usenet posts where people are writing ABOUT the Xenu/Scientology battles.

      Now that you've got the query right, look at the bottom of the search results list. There's the DMCA takedown notice, with links to the complaints.
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  • Heres an easier way... by Linuxthess (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:00PM
  • Scientology pays for sponsored link on google by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:01PM
  • google makes money either way ... by Paul Lamere (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:02PM
  • Oooh! Nifty! Form-letter DMCA takedowns! by 2nd Post! (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:05PM
  • Scientology had a point (Score:4, Funny)

    by quantaman (517394) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:06PM (#3330624)
    Note that Xenu.net [xenu.net] includes the infamous OT III text [xenu.net]. This tells how the galactic overlord Xenu tricked billions of people into coming to Teegeeack(Earth) for income tax inspections and blew them up. From the text

    After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".

    When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.


    Part of scientology is to free yourself of these souls. Now does releasing this text not possibly allow a person to rid themselves of these souls by alerting them to their presence? These "special 3d motion pictures" are undoubtedly a technological security measure. The only logical solution from this is that the page is a digital circumvention device specifically disallowed by the DMCA. I believe it is a clear cut issue and that the scientologists are fully within their rights to disallow google to allow people to link to this illegal page. However also keep in mind that scientology didn't enact this security measure, Xenu did, therefore scientology is also in violation of this law. Now if only Xenu can break free of his volcano, come to Earth, and sue the scientologists ...
  • by Dick Click (166230) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:07PM (#3330627)
    Hmm. I have read a search for "site:xenu.net scientology" links to the takedown letters. When I try this search, the first hit is www.xenu.net [xenu.net]. I wonder if this is because I am redirected to www.google.ca? Anybody have any idea if a search coming from Canada acts differently than a search coming from the US?
  • Scientology sucks! (Score:5, Funny)

    by s390 (33540) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:09PM (#3330647) Homepage
    My (former) wife had previously been married to some a**hole Scientologist, and they tracked her up to Portland from LA and harrassed us. I wasn't confrontational, at first.

    They sent obnoxious mail. I taped it to cinder blocks with "addressee unknown, please return" on their mail. The US PS was happy to charge them $20 or so to return those.

    However, when two of them pushed into my my living room without my invitation, I excused myself for a moment and came back with a rifle, which I pointed at them, and I told them to leave my premises and never darken my door again.

    Then we got phone calls. I shut that down by calling their office and carefully explaining to them that if I got any further harrassment from them I would personally shoot everyone in their f*cking cult, starting with the people in their downtown office and not stopping until I'd found and shot every f*cking Scientologist in the entire state!

    That worked. And that's how Scientologists should be dealt with. It's the only "reasoning" they understand. Tar and feathers are gentle approbation, and very appropriate.

  • Search not now returning warning... by Clark (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:12PM
  • The best thing about this... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by soap.xml (469053) <ryan@@@pcdominion...net> on Friday April 12 2002, @01:13PM (#3330671) Homepage

    The best thing about this is that the general public may begin to become informed about the DMCA and all of the stupid things that can come of it. Hopefully google will make a point to tell people that the DMCA was the reason the links are gone (read: put it at the top of the page). Possibly if enough people get pissed about the abuse of the law, and the abusivness of the law, it can either be over turned or new legislation can be passed to modify it. Or at the very least, become publicly debated and hated. That might lead to something...

  • first linux journal goes down, (Score:3, Informative)

    by ryepup (522994) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:13PM (#3330672) Homepage
    now xenu.net is fighting a losing battle. I work at an ISP and am waiting for their page to load. The site has a lot of links to various public resources, like an alt.religion.scientology archive, the recently de-classified FBI files on L. Ron Hubbard, and various Scientology documents. I guess Scientologists don't want factual information about their group in one easy place for people to see. It also has Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit, from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark which is an excellent book.
  • scientology is a stupid cult anyways by funnyguy (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:15PM
  • Good for google by xdfgf (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:19PM
  • Killing the search engines by Bender Unit 22 (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:23PM
  • next-level index by sacrilicious (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:26PM
  • Hmmmm DMCA madness by Beliskner (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:27PM
    • Re:Hmmmm DMCA madness (Score:5, Informative)

      by Misch (158807) on Friday April 12 2002, @02:07PM (#3331000) Homepage
      Believe it or not, something _very_ similar came up on slashdot about a year ago [slashdot.org]. Basically, a person had a complaint about his local building code. He made a website and posted the building code for his town. Soon after, he got nasty grams from the Southern Building Code Congress International Inc. The bill in question was copyrighted by the group before it was sent to the local legislature, so the wording of the law belongs to them.

      Sadly, 2 judges on a 3 judge panel agreed with the SBCC, and I don't know what happened after that.
      [ Parent ]
      • Codes by aaarrrgggh (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @05:59PM
    • Re:Hmmmm DMCA madness by jcast (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @02:30PM
  • Slashdot caching web sites? by Hays (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @01:31PM
  • That lawyer... by FurryFeet (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:36PM
  • by salsashrk (573024) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:41PM (#3330842)
    As posted on Chilling Effects [chillingeffects.org].

    Question: What defines a service provider under section 512 of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA)?

    Answer: A service provider is defined as "an entity offering transmission, routing, or providing connections for digital online communications, between or among points specified by a user, of material of the user's choosing, without modification to the content of the material as sent or received" or "a provider of online services or network access, or the operator of facilities thereof." [512(k)(1)(A-B)]
    /*Snipped rest for bandwidth*/

    While I clearly understand the spirit of the law in this case is to define that the media content is unaltered, this actually reads as the the data transmission is unaltered to me. If this is the case, then it stands to reason that any alteration to the data from the time it leaves the originating server until it is received and rendered by the end-user, would nullify this argument.
    While I realize that the spirit is clear, lawyers seem to concern themselves with the letter of the law, as it's easier to exploit than a Win98 box on a cable modem. Thusly, if I am interpreting this correctly, it stands to reason that inline packet alteration would make this definition null and void. Such packet alteration as the NAT from the inside network to the internet-routeable IP, QOS policies, or even VTP/VLAN/Trunking headers being added/stripped during LAN traversal would mar the integrity of the original data packet. Just for fun you could throw in TTL decrementing, MTU packet split, etc...

    Just a thought.
  • Simply Brilliant (Score:3, Interesting)

    by spacefrog (313816) on Friday April 12 2002, @01:41PM (#3330847)
    They are circumventing the fact that they can't post the link by posting a copy of the letter which has the URL in it.

    Simply Brilliant

    They might as well put the URL of the "banned" site in neon letters.

    If you are doing a search for a topic like Scientology, you are probably going to pay attention to these takedown letters with more interest than your "sanitized" search results.

    Being listed on a posted takedown notice will probably drive more traffic to the site.
  • Googleplex? by Paul Neubauer (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @01:59PM
  • So where are they? by whoda (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @02:00PM
  • What an awesome way to turn things around! by austus (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @02:05PM
  • Thanks, CoS! by deaddeng (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @02:07PM
  • Take out an AD! by linuxrunner (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @02:20PM
  • I invented this technique by russotto (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @02:30PM
  • Another thing Google has done (Score:5, Informative)

    by muldrake (171275) on Friday April 12 2002, @02:32PM (#3331128) Homepage Journal
    If you'll try a search for "Scientology" [google2.com] now you will see the first page of results is packed with Scientology critics.

    The reason for this is simple: Scientology's DMCA attack generated such a tremendous amount of press concerning xenu.net [xenu.net] that this resulted in it being highly linked from pages that are themselves highly ranked, therefore causing it to be more important in Google's PageRank system.

    This now-obsolete page of mine [operatingthetan.com] explains the spam strategy the effectiveness of which has been destroyed by Scientology's stupidity.

    Sometimes, indeed, stupidity is its own reward. Scientology: making idiots from the bottom up.

  • Yes this is kinda of topic... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Parsa (525963) on Friday April 12 2002, @02:42PM (#3331170) Homepage
    I know this is relatively off topic but a few days ago there was another posting regarding Google and someone in that posting suggested we have an icon for Google. That sounds like a good idea, today for example we have already seen 2 Google topics. And if you do a search off the main page for Google the first 30 returns only date back to February.

    Well, anyway I just wanted to add my support for a google icon.
  • Sir, I've copyrighted that murder. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by $uperjay (263648) <jstorrie@ual b e rta.ca> on Friday April 12 2002, @02:58PM (#3331275) Homepage
    I would think that this is the last thing the Scientologists want. Not because we can all poke fun at them for being idiots, mind you...

    By calling up copyrights on all of these documents (take a look at things like dead agenting, the big 'enemies' list, and the infamous 'fair play' directive, all of which are in the DMCA-letter here [chillingeffects.org]) they are legitimizing them, and declaring them official Church of Scientology documents. Which is all fine and dandy, of course, except that these documents include directives to commit illegal activities. Even if they can obscure cases of actual crimes, these documents still prove them guilty of conspiracy. And I bet there's probably something in that spiffy new Patriot Act, at the very least, dealing with conspiracies...

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  • On the ethics of murder by Com2Kid (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @03:03PM
  • Praise be to Google (Score:4, Informative)

    by Dolly_Llama (267016) on Friday April 12 2002, @03:15PM (#3331402) Homepage
    When Xenu disappeared from Google, a bunch of us went down to Google to have a little protest/chat with them. In an earlier post [slashdot.org], I felt that the guy at Google gave us the shuck and jive and was evading out suggestion that these DMCA infringement requests be made public.

    Now that they've done it, I take back any negative thing I may have said. Google has once again confirmed my faith that they are one of the few "good guys" left here in the Valley.

    Praise be to Google

  • Why the lack of a by madenosine (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @04:09PM
  • Scientology's Next Step... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @04:26PM
  • In Related News... by fire-eyes (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @04:51PM
  • this begs the question (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JDizzy (85499) on Friday April 12 2002, @04:56PM (#3332097) Homepage Journal
    Of whether or not the same applys to other indexing or directory services.... Is the phone company in violation of the DMCA if they have links to a person who is in violation of copyright laws in their phone directory? Why is just a internet directory service liable under this law.. seem kinda far fetched if you ask me...
  • Helpful (Score:3, Informative)

    by tagishsimon (175038) on Friday April 12 2002, @05:08PM (#3332171) Homepage
    I found the "Charts" of evidence supplied by the lawyers especially useful in pinpointing the URLs the Scientologists are so sensitive about:

    http://images.chillingeffects.org/notices/232-xe nu _chart.html

    http://www.chillingeffects.org/admin/link.cgi?c= 1& lid=158

    http://www.chillingeffects.org/admin/link.cgi?c= 1& lid=156

    Maybe this DCMA ain't so bad after all...
  • Text from Google's 'Hacker' language version by VIIseven7 (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @05:24PM
  • the logical next step... by Alien Being (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @06:32PM
  • Middle-button pasting in Mozilla by jellybear (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @06:34PM
  • Links vs text by Alsee (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @09:05PM
  • How can a link infringe on someone's copyright? by roybadami (Score:1) Friday April 12 2002, @10:02PM
  • Why only "site:xenu.net scientology" by DunbarTheInept (Score:2) Saturday April 13 2002, @02:04AM
  • Australia by ossammaa (Score:1) Saturday April 13 2002, @02:53AM
  • Re:google? by Happy Monkey (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @03:02PM
  • Re:My favorite scientologist bait: by uradu (Score:2) Friday April 12 2002, @03:22PM
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