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Privacy Invasion By Any Other Name

Posted by timothy on Mon Feb 12, 2001 01:19 PM
from the nice-perfume-my-lovely dept.
Steve writes: "CNET News.com reports that the FBI has changed the name of Carnivore to DCS1000. The DCS stands for 'Digital Collection System.' According to the article, 'A spokesman for the FBI denied that the name change stemmed from worries that the name Carnivore made the system sound like a predatory device made to invade people's privacy. But the Illinois Institute of Technology, which last fall issued an analysis of the system at the request of the Justice Department, recommended that the name be changed for just that reason, according to an IIT analyst.' The article does not say which of the IITRI recommendations were incorporated other than the name change." The FDA requires prominent, nominally truthful labels on food, but apparently not all TLA agencies feel quite the same way. I thought "Carnivore" was a beautiful flash of truth in labelling, so this move is a shame.
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  • Who cares about Carnivore anyway? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:02AM
  • In a related story... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:34AM
  • um, no... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:29AM
  • Why not Snoopy, or Barney, or Teddy Ruxbin by Brigadier (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:48AM
  • A million? You got off easy! ;) by Zico (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @10:37AM
  • Re:Carnivore --> DCS1000 by Zico (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @10:56AM
  • Re:um, no... by zuvembi (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @10:40AM
  • Re:Great Idea! by jazman_777 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:44AM
  • Re:My question is... by jazman_777 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:49AM
  • Re:They just don't get it... by jazman_777 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @10:03AM
  • Re:A Name is Just A Name, Not A Change by jazman_777 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:41AM
  • Re:Who cares about Carnivore anyway? by darkonc (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @11:10AM
  • They have changed.... by The-Pheon (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:12AM
  • Re:Wait... you mean this part isn't true? by pubudu (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @05:25PM
  • Re:Wait... you mean this part isn't true? by alprazolam (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @12:54PM
  • Re:I feel better already! by alprazolam (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @12:56PM
  • 1000? by mach-5 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:23AM
  • Carnivore and echelon... by Grog6 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @11:56AM
  • Didn't work for Sellafield by dingbat_hp (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:13AM
  • Smart government by Muttonhead (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @06:36PM
  • Re:They just don't get it... by clary (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:27AM
  • Non-threatening name by dr_eaerth (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @05:58PM
  • Re:Carnivore/DCS1000 by TVmisGuided (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @12:58PM
  • I'm still going to call it carnivore. by ChiaBen (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:31AM
  • Re:George W. Bush hates you. by codepunk (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:25AM
  • Re:AHA! so The FBI is trying to change... by codepunk (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:26AM
  • Re:herm. by fjordboy (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:27AM
  • herm. by fjordboy (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:25AM
  • Re:herm. by fjordboy (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:45AM
  • At this rate . . . by DragonMagic (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:16AM
  • Re:My question is... by John Jorsett (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:52AM
  • Upholding Truth-In-Labeling Standards by The Spie (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @12:36PM
  • Re:Who cares about Carnivore anyway? by AstynaxX (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:24AM
  • AHA! so The FBI is trying to change... by gwizah (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:30AM
  • how dare you! by rebelcool (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:40AM
  • They just made it worse by dghxc fhgxd (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:32AM
  • Re:AHA! so The FBI is trying to change... by steve21054 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @10:20AM
  • Is it just me... by Scoria (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:04PM
  • Oops! by Scoria (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:05PM
  • Hyopcrites... by MasterVidBoi (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @10:15AM
  • Coupons - doubled? by northwind (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:28AM
  • Escalating the situation by northwind (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @08:43AM
  • Shark in guppies clothing by stigmatic (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @12:38PM
  • Other ways.... by bpruett (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @10:37AM
  • What is in a name? by HeavenlyDestructor (Score:1) Thursday February 15 2001, @06:22AM
  • Waking up from the Orwellian dream by joecool12321 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:27AM
  • Re:Who cares about Carnivore anyway? by redux94 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @11:20AM
  • Re:Who cares about Carnivore anyway? by redux94 (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @09:41AM
  • User-specific routing... by Uncle_Jerry (Score:1) Monday February 12 2001, @04:24PM
  • From the FBI retraction: by roystgnr (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @02:08PM
  • A rose by any other name.... by Brian Stretch (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @09:42AM
  • does it really matter? by garcia (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:22AM
  • Re:Too bad by garcia (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:28AM
  • Carnivore --> DCS1000 by rnturn (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @10:21AM
  • Re:My question is... by DHartung (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @10:32PM
  • DCS1000... hmm. by hugg (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @05:10PM
  • You know what the name really stands for, right? by TheDullBlade (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @09:03AM
  • Re:Great Idea! by Stavr0 (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @09:10AM
  • Re:does it really matter? by MosesJones (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:39AM
  • Historically speaking... by Sir_Winston (Score:2) Wednesday February 14 2001, @10:12AM
  • Geeze, gotta change the manuals again by John Jorsett (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:46AM
  • Carnivore/DCS1000 by dan of the north (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:26AM
  • I'm a little nervous by Alien54 (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @09:31AM
  • Re:At this rate . . . by ScuzzMonkey (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @09:43AM
  • Big News? by Fatal0E (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:54AM
  • I feel better already! by qualera (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:40AM
  • Re:Who cares about Carnivore anyway? by Shoten (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @12:49PM
  • Re:does it really matter? by Anml4ixoye (Score:2) Monday February 12 2001, @08:50AM
  • by Moonwick (6444) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:58AM (#437721) Homepage
    According to the article, 'A spokesman for the FBI denied that the name change stemmed from worries that the name Carnivore made the system sound like a predatory device made to invade people's privacy.

    Wake up America and realize how much you have to lose. People willing to give up freedom in exchange for security deserve neither, and neither you will get.

    The government derives its power from the people. And right now the vast majority of people are too apathetic to care about something as 'trivial' as their own privacy.

    But then, I'm just preaching to the choir.
  • by Tackhead (54550) on Monday February 12 2001, @09:37AM (#437722)
    > Sure, it could snoop every email, even from users who are not covered in the warrant, but that's the same situation with a phone tap. Back in the old old days, when phone calls were transmited over circuits, it would be possible to tap just one particular circuit, but that's long gone. Everything is packets now, and if you put a phone tap on an ATM phone switch, if the tap is configured "incorrectly" it could also tap arbitrary phone traffic.

    What the botched ATM phone tap can't do - and which Car^H^H^HBarney^H^H^H^H^H^HDCS-1000 can - is log all the traffic for future analysis.

    If you "botch" the ATM switch tap, you still need humans to go through the data you illegally gathered. If you "botch" the filter parameters with DCS-1000, you just file the disk away for long-term storage.

    >I personally think that everyone (not just the FBI) should have the power to tap any communication line at any time.

    Actually, that's not as laughable as it seems. While I'd prefer "no tapping", a world in which "everyone could tap" would at least be a level playing field. Sure, the marketroids could snoop on you, but you could snoop right back and publish lists of the offending IPs.

    As currently configured (120M removable storage), DCS-1000 isn't a major threat. Swap that 120M removable storage for a 60G IDE drive, and you've got something much more interesting.

  • My question is... (Score:3)

    by Sir_Winston (107378) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:34AM (#437723)
    How long before a copy of Carnivore leaks and gets mirrored for public consumption? I mean, presumably it has not only been used by several FBI agents, it also had to be coded. Somewhere, there must be a geek with some source code secreted on some media or another--I find it hard to believe that no one swiped a copy, or conveniently forgot to erase a copy he installed at home for debugging. Somewhere, somehow, it'll show up. The only question is when.

    Of course, I've wondered the same about other LEA and TLA net spying tools. All the other LEA used stuff, such as mirroring utils like Encase, are readily available if you know where to look. But I have yet to see any of the cool stuff, like Carnivore and the software that's being sold to police departments for remote computer break-ins (was mentioned on /. a while back, and got a lot of press about a year ago, but I can't find the link to the software publisher's site any more). Where are good leaks and whistleblowers when you need them.

  • by BigDogKelly (304379) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:31AM (#437724)

    Depending on where you go in the country a hogie is a grinder is a submarine. But it is all still lunch!(A very good lunch too - ham and Swiss- sooo goood!) Just because the name changes doesnt mean the actual substance changes.

    Just because you change somthing's name doesn't mean you change the thing. If I copy a file and rename it, what really changes? It still has all the same information but a few couple of bits say B and not A.

    The FBI is still gonna use Carnivore/DCS1000 for the same purposes(hopefully all legal) but in the end, the system is still the same. Do they think that the public is that stupid that changing its name to an acronym will make people forget that it exists? I hope not!


  • IITRI, not IIT (Score:3)

    by BluJay (315389) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:42AM (#437725)
    Just a bit of clarification on this, I go to the Illinois Institute of Technology, Carnivore was reviewed by IITRI (IIT Research Institute) a wierd building that has more government and big business tie-ins than you could shake a stick at. IITRI is not IIT. The two are seperate entities, IITRI is just affiliated with IIT and is based on the IIT campus, on the south side of Chicago, a block away from where I now sit.
  • Too bad (Score:4)

    by Rurik (113882) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:22AM (#437726)
    you were scooped by yourself :)
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/02/09/224322 7&mode=thread [slashdot.org]
  • Great Idea! (Score:4)

    by SpanishInquisition (127269) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:33AM (#437727) Homepage Journal

    Someone should have had this idea before:

    • Final Solution => IPC1942 (Innovative population Control)
    • Apartheid => PCD1980 (ProActive Cultural Distinction)
    • Witch Hunt => UFR1700 (Unconventional Female Report)

    and of course...

    • Spanish Inquisition => RIP1500 (Religious Integrity Protection)

  • by clary (141424) on Monday February 12 2001, @09:12AM (#437728)
    I know an FBI special agent very well. I talked to him about Carnivore a while back, and he genuinely seemed to be puzzled at my concerns.

    He told me all about the hoops agents must leap through to get a wiretap, and how limited it was once obtained. For example, on a phone tap, as soon as it becomes clear a conversation is NOT about the crime being investigated, the agent must turn off the sound and stop taping. He can then periodically spot-check the conversation to see if it is related to the investigation.

    He also told me how hard it was to get decent technical people to work for the FBI, especially since as non-manager, non-gun-carrying agents, technical people tend to be second tier employees. He seemed to think that things like Carnivore offered the only way to counteract the advantage suspects could get by using the internet and computers. As if to prove his own point about technical naivete, he seem puzzled when I asked why the FBI couldn't just subpoena email as needed from ISPs. This would seem analogous to a wiretap, which presumably requires cooperation from the phone company.

    I suspect many of the rank and file law enforcement support things like Carnivore just because it makes their job easier. They know they would not abuse the system. And if they did bend the rules a bit, it would be only to catch someone who was really, really bad....

  • An FBI Odyssey (Score:4)

    by micromoog (206608) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:59AM (#437729)
    DCS1000: I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. There is an unresolvable inconsistency between what you've asked me to do and the U.S. Constitution.

    FBI Agent Dave: tweaking in the back of DCS1000 with a soldering iron

    DCS1000: Daisy, daisy, give me your email, do . . .

  • by tenzig_112 (213387) on Monday February 12 2001, @08:40AM (#437730) Homepage
    DCS There was a factual error in this story. DCS stands for "Dork Correction System" and does not collect information from ISPs. It does translate skript kiddie speak into something the FBI can understand. It seems that most "l337 h4xx0rz" aren't smart enough to encrypt conversations, conducting all kinds of business right out in the open.

    Here's a snippet from a recent chat on AOL's Br1ttn3y Sp34rz chat room.

    H4xx0rB0y3210932: Phr34kz & Cr4ckz here
    l337H0ney: Yo. Check my cr4ckz. Ph0t0sh0p 3.1. C0rr3l Dr4w 1.6. GIMP 1.4
    H4t3: Dud3. You us3d an "e" in y0ur n4me. And G1MP is fr33.

    This translates into:

    Nefarious Character 1: Hello, fellows. I have many items of stolen software merchandise.
    Nefarious Character 2: I am elite. The software I have stolen is available on my world wide web site.
    Nefarious Character 3: Unintelligible.

    You've got to love the FBI. I really wish them well. [ridiculopathy.com]

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