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Comment Re:Not a boycott but a confirmation (Score 1) 469

That's exactly my point. I'm suggesting the goal is to avoid making a derivative work.

I see your point, and I find it interesting. I'm not convinced that it is Poettering's goal to build an easy workaround for the GPL, but I can see how someone trying to do that would follow the path of IPC. I would be interested to see if there is more evidence on this topic.

My point is, that's not necessarily enough. Something can still be a derivative work, even if it uses IPC.

Comment Re:Err... (Score 2) 469

I mean, just to go a little deeper, look at this example:

Myth: systemd is complex......rebuttal: systemd is certainly not more complex than prior implementations of the same components".

Do you see how that's not actually a rebuttal? All he's said is, "it's not complex." But the criticisms are that it is more complex. He hasn't said anything to address the criticisms, except that he disagrees with them!

Does it really surprise you that he disagrees? I hope not.

Comment Re:Err... (Score 1, Interesting) 469

Unless someone is going to dispute his responses to the myths with good arguments and real life repeatable cases then his blog response is more valid than a bunch of whiners repeating shit without checking it out.

That's not a very good argument, I might as well say, "unless he's going to write code that's not crap, he's just a whiner." Woohoo, a point that makes no sense.

For specific, easy to see problems with the blog post, start by noticing that he actually agrees with many of the points that he calls myths. You don't even need to dig deep! The following are quotes from the actual post:

Myth: systemd is difficult.
This also is entire non-sense.......systemd certainly comes with a learning curve.

Myth: systemd is a freedesktop.org project.
yes, we host our stuff at [freedesktop.org]

Myth: systemd is not UNIX.
There's certainly some truth in that.

Myth: systemd is complex.
There's certainly some truth in that.

Myth: systemd is a feature creep.
Well, systemd certainly covers more ground that it used to......

Comment Re:Not a boycott but a confirmation (Score 1) 469

I'm not a lawyer either, but this is obviously unexplored territory for the GPL

The main thing it needs to fall under GPL is to be a derivative work. That's a legal term, and as you mention, a grey area.

But merely using RPCs instead of linking isn't enough to keep it from being a derivative work: I'm sure you can think of ways a product could still be a derivative work.

Comment Re:Finally someone decides to do something (Score 4, Insightful) 469

I agree and am happy to see this fork. As unpopular as it may make me, I actually like the initd functionality of systemd. I'm fine with using and writing the old init scripts, but systemd unit files are simple, concise, and powerful enough for my needs.

This is understandable, but there are much, much simpler ways of achieving this goal than systemD.

One of the interesting things about systemD discussions. If you watch, people who criticize say things like, "that's an ugly hot mess of architecture!" People who support it answer by saying, "the features are so good!" You can see those two things are somewhat arguing past each other.

You captured both sides of the argument in a single post, so good job.

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