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Comment: Re:They always told me I was so smart... (Score 1) 126

by phantomfive (#47737945) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

It's not about being better, but it often comes down to who is correct and who is mistaken.

You're using 'correct' as a proxy for 'better' there. Most of the time (what time should we wake up? What should we eat? Where should we go today? What should we do?) it comes down to what people want, not who is correct. If I want to eat cooked spam, there's no way to say I'm wrong, and trying to makes you look dumb.

Comment: Re:What about Confidence (Score 1) 126

by phantomfive (#47737711) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

Besides, it's specious to assert success is due to hard work when there is an intellectual component as well. I could have parsed this distinction by the time I was 7, as that was when I decided to become an intellectual.

A person with average intelligence should be able to get a 4.0 in college without any problem. It's not like undergraduate classes are hard.

Comment: Re:Still not adding up (Score 1) 126

by phantomfive (#47737691) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

I am not a psychologist, where do I find such things?

Start by reading the article.

in PRACTICE IQ is the gating factor in most texas school districts,

Texas school districts are decades behind the latest scientific research? Shocking.

I disagree about what companies want, at any given time I am usually employed by one of the top end tech companies

Your experience is not representative of the mean.

Comment: Re:What about Confidence (Score 1) 126

by phantomfive (#47737465) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

Don't be so quick to make blanket statements. I was of the "unsatifactory results => must try harder" mindset all through undergrad despite triple majoring and graduating in 4.5 years.....So, that's my anecdote where "doesn't seem to happen" actually did.

btw, you didn't give enough details here to compare to the study. There are two ways to motivate a kid (more than two, but let's consider these):

1) When he succeeds, say, "good job! You must have worked hard!"
2) When he fails, say, "Lousy! Why didn't you work harder?"

Can you see the difference? Positive reinforcement is important, but it's also important to let kids know they are acceptable, even when they fail. Because once again, we all fail.

Comment: Re:They always told me I was so smart... (Score 1) 126

by phantomfive (#47737339) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

You don't have to tell people you are smarter directly. I spooked the hell out of a girlfriend who had a crazy 3 on 5 off (with other kinks in the pattern) schedule because, after 2 weeks, I had it figured out and when we were making plans for something next week, I told her when she was working and when she was free: "how'd you know that?" "Well, you're working tomorrow and it's time for the 4 week long break..." "I only know my schedule by looking it up..." "Oh...."

Once you realize that being smarter doesn't make you better, then you'll be fine.

Comment: Re:What about Confidence (Score 1) 126

by phantomfive (#47737247) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

Unless kid #2 in fact had tried very hard but still failed, and says to himself, "Even my best attempt was not good enough. Next time I won't try so hard; that way, if I fail, I can just claim/believe it's because I didn't try my best."

That's a hypothesis, but in the actual studies it didn't seem to happen.

Comment: Re:Still not adding up (Score 1) 126

by phantomfive (#47737179) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

If this is true, why do psychologists continue to focus so much on IQ?

I don't know what psychologists you're hanging out with, but the field has moved on at least twice from IQ in the last 30 years. Which isn't to say IQ is worthless, it still measures of ability.

Is this real science

Yes.

No company wants a merely bright hard-working person, they want a genius, they worship that genius.

This is definitely not true lol, companies mainly want someone who can get the job done for the smallest cost. That's why we have outsourcing, etc. The only ones seeking raw intelligence are research labs, and even they tend to want a PhD or evidence that you actually know things.

I prefer to believe what is in this article in the same way that I prefer to believe in Free Will,

If you actually want to find out, instead of 'believing,' then go read the actual studies, for that is where knowledge is to be found.

Comment: Re:They always told me I was so smart... (Score 5, Insightful) 126

by phantomfive (#47736949) Attached to: It's Dumb To Tell Kids They're Smart

I also figured out that intelligence was a liability, and I've still seen very few environments where that wasn't true, and all of those only well after childhood.

Intelligence isn't a liability. Trying to tell other people they are wrong all the time is a liability. Telling people, "I am smarter than you, so you are wrong" is a liability.

Intelligence isn't a liability, but the interpersonal skills you developed around your intelligence might be. (If you're so smart, you should have figured this out by now. Maybe you need to work harder).

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