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Comment Re: Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (Score 1) 719

I see you have no better argument than attacking the messenger, since the data is clearly labelled as coming from the NASA GISS database.

The article takes that data into consideration. Clearly you didn't read it, and me repeating it won't help you.

And your linked piece is not a peer reviewed Nature main article, but a commentary/opinion piece.

It's not the only paper. If you pay attention to scientific consensus, it's become clear that the models are wrong, and scientists are trying to explain why.

Comment Re:Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (Score 1) 719

John Christy by no means represents the consensus among scientists studying climate. By all means, read his stuff. But also read Richard Muller, Gavin Schmidt, Michael Mann, Stefan Rahmstorf, Eric Stieg, etc. etc. etc. And also read the copious critiques of Christy's interpretations of the data.

Sure, I have. Once again, Christy is the kind of scientist who literally goes out into the field to collect data. He follows the data, and is willing to change his opinion if the data changes.

What about you? Are you willing to keep an open mind when it is shown that the models over-estimate global warming? Or will you continue to try to slander scientists who disagree with you as AIDS deniers?

Comment Re:Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (Score 1) 719

Well, I didn't expect actual studies in actual journals to sway your opinion.

The unscientific thing to do is mine Google for items which reinforce your opinion on the matter.

According to this story, the thing 'scientists' do is try to get the press to label anyone who disagrees with them as 'deniers.'

Meanwhile real scientists have determined there's no imminent danger from climate change. Once again though, I expect you are too far committed to your opinion to let facts change it.

Comment Re:Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (Score 1) 719

The consensus from scientists who build models is 'not dangerous. And it IS noteworthy that the models are known to over-estimate the effects of CO2.

If you're going to choose which scientist to 'believe,' then believe the ones who actually collect data, like John Christy. He wanted to know if the AGW hypothesis was correct, so what did he do? He went out and created a dataset from California's central valley, to compare temperatures in settled areas to non-settled areas. He wondered about the accuracy of the global temperature record, so what did he do? He created an alternate way of measuring temperature using satellites. He went to Africa to create datasets, to measure and see what is really happening, while other scientists were creating models (which we now know were inaccurate).

That is how you do science, by collecting data to verify or disprove your hypothesis. You don't beg the press to demonize people you don't like, that's not science.

Comment Re: Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (Score 3, Informative) 719

Constantly questioning is running experiments, taking measurements, and trying to model the future and see how well it lines up with reality. Scientists are doing that all the time, and the result

And the result is that for decades we've overestimated the effect of CO2 and that all the computer models are wrong. If you deny that after the multiple studies have shown it, then you're the denier.

Comment Re: Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (Score 2) 719

Sometimes, doing something without proper analysis is worse than not doing something.

Yeah, if only there were a well-funded organization sponsored by the UN that's spent three decades doing proper analysis of the problem.
I guess we don't have that so we can't propose proper solutions. Oh well.

Submission + - Schneier explains how to protect yourself from Sony-style attacks (you can't) (wsj.com)

phantomfive writes: Bruce Schneier has an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal discussing the Sony attack. He says, "Your reaction to the massive hacking of such a prominent company will depend on whether you’re fluent in information-technology security. If you’re not, you’re probably wondering how in the world this could happen. If you are, you’re aware that this could happen to any company."

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