How can people be so god damn thick? It is remarkable to me.

You're asking me why I'm not a fan of the ban on the beads? Really? Even though in my first post I said I didn't care if you banned it.

So your comment about cranberries is FUCKING STUPID. BAN THE BEADS.

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Moron.

What I am saying is that if that is getting through the system there are probably a lot of other things in there that you don't even know exist. A better system would not only deal with this bead issue which is irrelevant to me. But it would also deal with a wide variety of other contaminants that you don't even know are in there.

Consider further we're looking increasingly to closed loop sewage treatment facilities that output water INTO your tap directly from the sewage treatment facility. They're already strongly considering that in California.

My point is that the stupid beads don't matter and what this really indicates is that the water treatment systems needs to be upgraded.

Here you say "oh its so expensive"... well, consider seperating out your sewage rather than running ONE pipe from each house or factory or whatever. Have different TYPES of sewage. Then process each individually using a unique process customized for that sewage type. take your cranberries... clearly they need a special treatment process. Should the tax payers be paying for that? Obviously not. Ocean spray can process their own shit and that is not unreasonable for any large processing facility. Frankly, I think it is weird that they're even throwing it out. It probably makes a great fertilizer/mulch. Have a skimmer that sorts out all the solid material and sell that to farmers to spread on fields.

As to JUICE that gets into the water... I don't even know why we're sending that to the sewage treatment facilities. A little sugar released into a river isn't going to hurt anything. Bacteria in the water will eat it almost instantly.

oops, you did log in... got you confused with someone else... my bad.

You can still go fuck yourself though. :)

Did I suggest that or are you a halfwit?

I have been pretty clear from my FIRST post that I don't really care.

Ban the fucking beads. I don't care.

Did that process in your little brain? How many times do I have to say that for you morons to grasp that?

Okay, so you righteous chewing out concluded, my point is that if these beads are making it through and they have a lower density... why are they getting through the settling tanks? Am saying "if this is a problem, we probably have OTHER problems that we don't even know about." Thus shouldn't we just make the treatment process better? Not because of these beads... because again... ban them... I do not care... but rather this should be a wake up call that the treatment facilities need to be improved.

Do you understand NOW? Or are you just that stupid? :)

And I love that you suggested that I suggested that we use a medical centrifuge to clean sewage. I did no such thing. I was pointing out that they would absolutely sort by density. that is all. I also pointed out that maybe we could use an INDUSTRIAL centrifuge to further filter water.

So run the water through the settling tanks to remove most of the particulates. Then power up a giant centrifuge to filter the product of the tanks.

Maybe that isn't practical. I don't know how much energy that would gobble. But that was the closest I got to that idea. I at no point suggested we use tiny medical centrifuges to process municipal levels of sewage.

You're an idiot. ;)

Not at all. As I keep telling you, I don't care if you ban this shit. It is fucking meaningless to me and I expect industry doesn't care either. They have lots of alternatives. Sand or something should be just fine. Do you really think it is hard for them to make silica spheroids of fairly uniform size? Think again. Easy peasy.

So understand, I am not arguing against your ban.

I DO NOT CARE.

However, I am questioning the quality of your water treatment process if this is actually a problem.

they have about the same density as oil... so are we to conclude that sewage plants are not filtering OIL from WATER?

Because that seems pretty fucking simple.

My understanding of the process is that they first blend the sewage to break up chunks. The slurry goes through a series very large tanks where the sewage collects and sorts by density. The fluid in the middle is assumed to be mostly water. Then that water is sterilized by some means to kill micro organisms and the water is released.

The settling tanks are so far as I understand it... the PRIMARY means of filtration. Given that the microbeads have about the same density as OIL... I am confused as to why they're making it through the settling tanks.

Are the tanks not deep enough?Is the water outlet too close to the surface of the tank thus causing suction to pull particulate matter off the surface?

This sounds like something you could fix pretty easily.

Idiocy.

Given that the "program" is my conscious mind, you presume to demand that I write out the code for my consciousness here to be evaluated?

How does that make any sense?

What we write out here is OUTPUT which then serves as further INPUT if anyone bothers to read it.

The underlying program is largely beyond audit.

The most I could do would be to break down individual statements and justify them. Since I didn't cite my thinking to that extent questioning whether such a thing would compile is inherently idiotic. That's like saying "your log file won't compile"... no shit? Really? How fucking stupid are you?

You say you won't take me seriously? What a laugh. Explain why anyone should take you seriously when you won't even log in?

Go fuck yourself.

yeah but why are the microbeads making it through the water treatment process at all if they've lower density than water?

These microbeads have a similar density to OIL. So if you're not filtering out microbeads one can assume you're also not filtering out oils... either organic or inorganic.

Why is that a good idea? Surely we we should be filtering out oils.

Well again, yes it will sort out if you give it enough time. The question is how long does it take?

As to collecting in tissues... that's great and I don't really want to talk about that. What is interesting to me is why the settling tanks aren't removing them.

What is the cycle time of sewage in to treated water out? How long? Maybe if it spent more time in the tanks we could filter this out.

ANd again, I'm not trying to argue against banning the crap. ban it. I do not care. My issue is that if this is making it through then there is something else wrong in the system.

Really? Lets take that literally shall we?

The first statement was actually an error check because it cited a contradiction or inability to perform an action.

That compiles just fine.

As to the second line, that is output stating that given input is MINDLESSLY hostile. You are doubtless too stupid to grasp the distinction between constructive hostility and non-constructive hostility. I've only forced to explain this to you because you're stupid. :)

That compiles again. There's no logical contradiction.

Then the final statement is for someone to perform an action they shouldn't find especially difficult.

That compiles also.

So... why don't you explain why my statements didn't "compile"...

When you imply you're more rational than someone... do try to pick someone that isn't vastly more rational than you... you probably don't even know what rational means.

Fucking peasant garbage.

Not really. The credibility of the source does not mean what they report automatically true or false.

What I'm talking about is more elemental than what you're talking about.

Philosophy sits on top of logic as logic sits above math in the way that math is above physics and the way that physics is above biology.

Mathematics is applied symbolic logic. But logic itself is a different persuit and cannot be conflated with mathematics. And logic is itself a product of philosophy which can be neither conflated with logic nor mathematics.

When one speaks of fallacious logic, one speaks of logic... not math. You can represent most logical concepts in symbolic form though rarely with sustainable accuracy. There is a translation when you go from logic to math and frequently there are conflations of similar concepts and terms which leads to fallacies.

As such it is far more reliable to maintain the logic in a more conceptual context since it is less likely to go through translations and thus introduce errors.

Your example did just that thus baring out the wisdom of what I just said.

Sometimes it is helpful to express things in purely symbolic forms. But only when you have defined your variables properly and have not made the extremely common mistake of conflating similar concepts.

Don't use Ghostery: They sell data to ad companies

Disconnect is one alternative.

well... what size is too small for them to rise to the surface? And I should point out that eventually they MUST sort our properly. A medical centrifuge accelerates this process dramatically.... and using such things you can sort things a great deal smaller and close to the density of the medium than these micro beads.

So they do absolutely sort. The question is whether or not they do so before the settling tanks cycle the water.

How long would you have to leave water in a tank for nearly all the micro beads to sort?

That's a good question. And I'd further ask if are other things that might sort as well if the tanks were left alone a bit longer.

What time frame are we talking about here? Do we need the tanks to be left alone for an additional day? Eventually they MUST sort. So the question is whether it is practical to have that many tanks to handle that many days of sewage to process the sewage that heavily. And if not, then we need to look at other means of processing the water. Possibly some sort of industrial centrifuge would be a good idea?

okay... then why is it hard to filter this out at the sewage plant? The microbeads are lower in density than water. Which means they should float to the surface in a settling tank or be deposited on the bottom if enmeshed in heavier sewage. Why are they passed through the system if they have a different density?

And consider that settling tanks are used to seperate out a lot of other things. if they're not skimming the microbeads off the surface of the tanks then what else aren't they filtering out?

This sounds like a flaw in the sewage treatment system more than anything.

That said, I have no problem with you banning them. As I said... Meh.

By all means... ban it or don't ban it. It is totally irrelevant from what I can tell.

The only revelation here is that the sewage plants are probably doing a worse job than I thought.

depends on the type of plastic and whether or not a given plastic can be digested by microorganisms.

Microbeads are mostly made out of PE for example which isn't readily biodegradable under many circumstances. However, there are some species of bacteria that can digest it.

The issue is less the beads than what they're made out of and what sort of treatment the water goes through

If the sewage treatment process is letting microbeads in any great quantity into the rivers or ocean then I have to ask what else are we releasing? Because PE has a LOWER density than water, it should float on the surface. Which means in a settling tank, it should get skimmed off the surface. If it isn't getting skimmed off the surface, then what else aren't we skimming off the surface?

If your water treatment system is anything short of a complete joke... how are microbeads even getting through the system at all?

Oh look, an AC judging someone that actually logs in? Shocking.

Do tell us, AC shithead, what is your record?

Oh that's right... you don't have one. You explicitly make it impossible for anyone to determine your contribution to the community.

And my guess is that all you do is what I see above. You just make mindlessly hostile comments to random posts on the site.

Well, thanks for that. We all appreciate your reminder that the internet is full of countless semi evolved primates that communicate entirely in their own flung feces.

Kill yourself.