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Comment Re:All would be resolved if we could all lay cable (Score 1) 176

Win conditions have nothing to do with maturity. Your attempt to goalpost shift the issue to one of courtesy shows that I pegged you accurately.

My intention was to have a productive discussion.

I made a statement.

You contested it.

That started a debate and I then wanted terms for that debate so that it could be productive.

You are squirting ink in the water now and trying to change the subject. Which is fine because it merely reinforces why stating firm conditions that will prevent people from goalpost moving is important.

But if you're a dyed in the wool sophist then I of course understand why you're repelled by my tactic. I am a stone cold stoic. There is nothing about your rhetorical games that impresses or confuses me. You can either play my game or you can spin doctor to your heart's content. Either way, I will not be pulled into a discussion where you're going to goalpost move. You will lock yourself down to firm positions or your request for a debate is rejected.

Comment Re: All would be resolved if we could all lay cabl (Score 1) 176

I appreciate your concern for my own credibility. That's touching.

Anyway... my point was strong in its original incarnation and there is clearly nothing left to discuss here beside concern trolling apparently on your part. So... are we done here? I think we are...

Comment Re:All would be resolved if we could all lay cable (Score 1) 176

Failure to provide a win condition is a sign of bad faith.

Noted.

I'll move on. I'm not going to waste my time providing you with endless information while you goalpost move. Failing to lock yourself down means you intended to back peddle and goalpost move. So we're done. You just basically admitted you're arguing in bad faith.

Comment Re: All would be resolved if we could all lay cabl (Score 1) 176

... we're talking about laying cable in a conduit... what exactly are you presuming to hold out as a problem. Flammability? Who is laying flammable cable? Whatever... the point is that maintaining the conduit and providing access to anyone on an equal basis would be an improvement over the existing system as well as be a reasonable thing the government could do without causing them to bounce off their own peter threshold.

Comment Re:All would be resolved if we could all lay cable (Score 1) 176

Typically they're required to offer service for the entire city as a condition of providing service to any portion of the city.

The list of conditions is variable and often graft is a component.

As to this question about whether anyone has applied... this is a silly question. You're saying no one in these cities would attempt to offer service at any part of the city? Really?

Regardless, I can link you to Google and Centurylink complaining about franchise license lockout. Its well known amongst anyone paying attention.

As to evidence... being a veteran of internet discussions which are basically nailing jello to the wall... I would like you to commit to a win condition. Provide me with something you would accept as a win for me. I mean a win. Done. Tell me what that is and I'll bother to go get the info. Short of that... I'll be concerned that you're just f'ing with me to waste my time and will just endlessly goalpost move.

Comment Re: All would be resolved if we could all lay cabl (Score 1) 176

... so you're saying there isn't enough capitalism? I would agree... your wording sounded like you were blaming capitalism for dumb things the government does.

If you're saying the issue is that the free market is not being permitted to address the situation by allowing competing interests to force a reasonable product quality standard at a competitive price... then I agree.

Comment Re: Militant Slashdot (Score 1) 293

I know it is a good thing but you do anyway. You use the fact that I have a record against me while of course be shielded from counter claims against your own record because you are a coward.

No ad hominem from you will be accepted. We're going to skip over any other reference to me or you because neither is relevant to the discussion. And even if they were, you are personally unable to make any argument of that nature being an AC. End of story. ... reading through your post to see if you have anything to say that isn't an ad hominem... nothing.

Your post is null. Try again.

Comment Re:All would be resolved if we could all lay cable (Score 1) 176

not when the license is not generally offered to anyone on reasonable terms.

Lets say I say anyone can do a thing... they just need a license... and then I make a point of never issuing such licenses to anyone except two companies under any circumstances.

That's a de facto ban.

De jure you can make any claim you want but it won't be intellectually honest in the face of a de facto ban.

Look guys... we can jerk each other off until our eyes melt... but at the end of the day the reality is the reality is the reality. And we can either get real here or all we're doing is jerking each other off.

The de facto reality is that only a few large companies are ever issued these licenses and acquiring these licenses is unreasonable for anyone else.

Even google is having a hard time obtaining these licenses on places where the duopolies are strong. That should give you an idea of how fucking stupidly impossible it is for anyone to get a foot in the door when multi billion dollar corporations are saying that they can't even fucking bribe their way in most of the time for a reasonable fee.

I was reading a long complaint from Centurylink that cox/time warner are blocking them from service provision in some areas.

I've had this argument a million times on this board and it always boils down to some fool that will reflexively make any fucking stupid argument he can think of to defend the status quo. It is not credible.

Comment Re:All would be resolved if we could all lay cable (Score 1) 176

"The cable companies rape us and the socialists salivate at the chance of nationalizing things because a monopolized market has been created where no one is allowed to compete."

That is what I said. Now... I never said nor implied congress. I can show bills if you want. But I won't permit you to strawman my position by redefining my words as other than they were.

If you accept that you have no power to change my argument then I can move on. If you refuse to accept that then we really can't go anywhere because I will not tolerate a strawman.

Every attempt simply outputs: Error line 1

Comment Re:All would be resolved if we could all lay cable (Score 1) 176

I didn't say anything about congress until you asked for a citation and I gave a listing of different options.

Saying I made it sound like congress was full of something when I didn't reference congress at all is a non-starter.

Rephrase your argument of I'm going to assume you're too triggered and I won't be able to have a productive discussion.

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