Win conditions have nothing to do with maturity. Your attempt to goalpost shift the issue to one of courtesy shows that I pegged you accurately.
My intention was to have a productive discussion.
I made a statement.
You contested it.
That started a debate and I then wanted terms for that debate so that it could be productive.
You are squirting ink in the water now and trying to change the subject. Which is fine because it merely reinforces why stating firm conditions that will prevent people from goalpost moving is important.
But if you're a dyed in the wool sophist then I of course understand why you're repelled by my tactic. I am a stone cold stoic. There is nothing about your rhetorical games that impresses or confuses me. You can either play my game or you can spin doctor to your heart's content. Either way, I will not be pulled into a discussion where you're going to goalpost move. You will lock yourself down to firm positions or your request for a debate is rejected.