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Comment Re:Well... some misconceptions there (Score 1) 37

Denial and contradiction is not an argument.

I said 1+1=2

And you keep saying "no it isn't"

What is your argument?

As to your weird song citation:
"

        Up to mighty London
        Came an Irishman one day.
        As the streets are paved with gold
        Sure, everyone was gay,
        Singing songs of Piccadilly,
        Strand and Leicester Square,
        Till Paddy got excited,
        Then he shouted to them there:

        It's a long way to Tipperary,
        It's a long way to go.
        It's a long way to Tipperary
        To the sweetest girl I know!
        Goodbye, Piccadilly,
        Farewell, Leicester Square!
        It's a long long way to Tipperary,
        But my heart's right there.

        (repeat)

        Paddy wrote a letter
        To his Irish Molly-O,
        Saying, "Should you not receive it,
        Write and let me know!"
        "If I make mistakes in spelling,
        Molly, dear," said he,
        "Remember, it's the pen that's bad,
        Don't lay the blame on me!

        It's a long way to Tipperary,
        It's a long way to go.
        It's a long way to Tipperary
        To the sweetest girl I know!
        Goodbye, Piccadilly,
        Farewell, Leicester Square!
        It's a long long way to Tipperary,
        But my heart's right there.

        Molly wrote a neat reply
        To Irish Paddy-O,
        Saying "Mike Maloney
        Wants to marry me, and so
        Leave the Strand and Piccadilly
        Or you'll be to blame,
        For love has fairly drove me silly:
        Hoping you're the same!"

        It's a long way to Tipperary,
        It's a long way to go.
        It's a long way to Tipperary
        To the sweetest girl I know!
        Goodbye, Piccadilly,
        Farewell, Leicester Square!
        It's a long long way to Tipperary,
        But my heart's right there.
""

What is your problem with this song? I've heard of it before but the citation makes no sense in this discussion.

Comment Re:Well... some misconceptions there (Score 1) 37

Imprisonment only applies if they keep you in... most national borders... and all in the first world at most keep people out.

As to cultural purity... You appear to be arguing that given countries have no right to any culture and the most f'ed up societies on earth should just vent all their problems on every other country and every other country should just accept that?

I reject that notion.

As to bigotry, to be bigoted you need to be irrationally opposed to something. To make such an argument you'd have to show that any opposition would be irrational. Given that you're citing money as a reason to hold a border that is a "reason" to do it... it is quite rational and therefore not bigoted.

Comment Re:The corps are in danger as well here (Score 1) 311

You've apparently lost emotional control.

You empirically lack the self control to have this conversation. Calm down and try again.

As to the world not belonging to someone... neither does it belong to you.

If you attack me and say "give me what I want or I'm going to kill you"... then I'm going to feel justified in putting you down.

The fact that you might need what I have to survive does not mean I have to give it to you. I might need it for myself for example. Why should I die so you can live?

What claim do you have on me?

I don't owe you anything.

You keep thinking that you can be useless and yet demand other people keep you alive.

They won't unless you have some value to them. If you have NOTHING... then they're going to ignore you. And because you can't feed yourself or sustain any industrial infrustucture on your own... you'll die without people feeding you like a big fat adult baby.

And when that happens you've admitted personally that you'll try to kill the people not feeding you.

I pointed out repeatedly that if they have the industrial infrustructure that they'll be in a military advantage. Which means you'll just get killed.

To this you say "I mean attack NOW not later"... well, you won't attack now because you're still getting fed.

You're not going to attack until you get hungry. And by that point, it will be too late. It will already be over.

I'm not appologizing for genocide. I'm telling you something is going to happen here. I didn't create this situation. I am not responsible for it. And I have no power to stop it.

All I can do is point at it and say "get out of the way"...

You don't like this answer because my solution involves you actually taking some responsibility for yourself. You want to sustain the status quo of someone spoon feeding you.

Well... the days of that are numbered. They just are.

You were warned.

Comment Re:And who was the big believer in carbon credits? (Score 1) 130

The "externals" can't be accurately counted or evaluated. And they don't show up on accounting sheets.

When I said "X is cheaper" I was talking about "money"

Coal... is CHEAPER... in MONEY.

The term "externals" is what you say when you want something to be more expensive but can't actually cite any of it with any clarity.

Comment Re:There's truth on both sides here (Score 1) 1010

1. I'm not white. And even if I were... that wouldn't matter. The people that like to use racism prop up shitty arguments are mostly on the progressive left these days.

Anyone disagrees with you, you say "RACE" or "SEX" or something else that doesn't actually matter in that situation and try to censor all opposing view points.

I reject your attempt with extreme prejudice.

2. As to vox day, i'm not letting you reduce everything to one racist dick. Rejected. What was going on was a lot bigger than him. You can't just fine one racist in a group and dismiss the whole thing.

3. As to wanting scifi to be like it was in the 1960s... that doesn't mean anything about race particularly. That is your projection.

4. As to distinctions between voting and nominations.... *laughs* they said there was brigading. That is getting dealt with. If it wasn't then you can expect them to exploit the holes left in it to make the point again until the system is reformed.

They win. The brigading which was their primary objective to stop is being made more difficult. If it isn't difficult enough, then they'll do it again until the system is fixed.

What they did was TROLL you... and they did it to force you to change a position. You see this on internet communities all the time. Some stupid rule will get put in... and someone will exploit that rule simply to show how stupid it is... and that will force the reform.

You don't like that Vox Day is a racist? Great. That gives you extra incentive to actually shut down the brigading. Do it. Shut out the evil Vox Day... and in doing so... you give the movement what it wanted which was reform.

it's checkmate.

Game over. The brigading is done.

Comment Re:The corps are in danger as well here (Score 1) 311

hmmm... I think you don't appreciate how huge this is...

This is something we haven't seen since the industrial revolution or the agricultural revolution before it.

This is a big change.

Your talk about organizing and stuff... its like the hunter gatherers saying they're going to band together against the farmers. you're not going to do it.

Because by the time the farmers appear to be a threat to you it will already be too late. It starts slow... and it builds. When its small you don't take it seriously. By the time its a threat its too late.

And you're not going to get any one to follow you on the issue. You keep trying to organize.

Nope.

You need to adapt. The hunter gatherer thing was over when agriculture was developed. Done. Hunter gathererers were subordinate to them very quickly and there after despite the previous lifestyle being common for at least the previous 40 thousand years.

What I'm talking about is a paradigm shift. You can't fight it. You adapt or it will crush you.

Same thing happened in the shift to industrialism. Children starved... mothers and fathers slept in flop houses... extra room made in the building by having people hang on ropes rather than use up valuable floor space.

What was your education? What do you know of the early industrial revolution?

You're going to adapt or be pasted. Getting mad means nothing. You can't stop it.

I told you. Get to high ground or nothing can be done for you.

The emotions, the moralizing... words. The wave comes.

get to high ground.

Comment Re:They should allow drugs that mellow them out (Score 1) 114

I want people with life sentences to work too. your parole concept isn't prison. Its parole.

Rejected.

Going through your brief attempt to be constructive... you said I need to hit 10 dollars per hour in productivity to break even in the system.

Totally obtainable. Here you say "but people are sick or old"... I'm not asking for brain surgery here and I'm not asking for 100 percent participation.

Let us say we need to hit 15 or 20 dollars an hour. Still obtainable... that would presume a certain portion of the population not participating.

We can still hit 15 to 20 dollars of productivity especially if you consider that a lot of costs for workers are things that might not need to be offered to convicts... healthcare is not something the company will have to offer that will come from the prison system. That sort of thing.

As to the rest... you basically got gun shy of the issue when you saw the numbers were obtainable.

I'm going to call that a win and move on.

I'll give you the last word.

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