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Comment Re: egalitarian? (Score 1) 727

Feminism, like most identifying terms in practice, is defined by whatever those who identify as feminists say and do, and to say that some of those who identify as feminists aren't really feminists because they're not sticking to some dictionary definition of it is a textbook case of No True Scotsman.

I pointed this out before. By your reasoning, we can claim "No True Scotsman" when presented with any operational definition.

You can disagree with the definition, but that's insufficient to dismiss its use under "No True Scotsman" banner.

Consider this terrible example. I have a club for fishermen. We have 1800 members and we're growing rapidly. None of the members have ever gone fishing. You come along and say "You can't possibly be fishermen. To be a fisherman requires that you go fishing."

Are you guilty of committing the "No True Scotsman" fallacy? Of course not. You and I simply disagree over the definition of fishermen. Consequently, we categorize members of my club differently. If I were to say that your assertion is false as we are fishermen and we never fish, you could respond in one of two ways: You could reassert your objection e.g. "nonsense, if you don't fish, you aren't fishermen" or modify your definition to account for my counterexample e.g. "Well, you're not true fishermen as all true fishermen go fishing."

The fallacy is committed in the ad-hoc modification of some assertion, not in the assertion itself. Otherwise, it would apply to any and all definitions or other categorical criteria.

It's an error in reasoning that lets one hold some belief in face of evidence to the contrary. That's the entire point of the thing.

In this specific case, we have the implication that feminists and egalitarians don't overlap. We then have the claim that, by definition, feminists are egalitarians. You can disagree with that definition, but until the claimant modifies that definition to account for some counterexample, you cannot say that he has committed that fallacy. All he's done is offer a definition.

Comment Re:That's it (Score 1) 727

What are the hard-hitting questions? The crazy nonsense from paranoid conspiracy websites?

I suppose you'd say the same thing if you suspected that questions to Buzz Aldren about sound stages and photographs without stars were going to be ignored, yes?

As you assert that Slashdot is now an echo chamber on grounds of some future prediction, are you also claiming that you're psychic or just that you have supernatural perception?

Comment Re: egalitarian? (Score 1) 727

I disagree. No True Scotsman suggests an ad-hoc modification to support a previously inadequate assertion. If we accept your, and (presumably) the previous posters understanding, we'd be able to dismiss, for example, countless syllogisms on the same grounds. Worse, we could reject any operational definition!

In your example, there's merely a simple disagreement with the definition which serves as the premise: all Scotsmen live in Scotland. You're miss the essential bits: First: the claim that there exists at least one Scotsman who does not live in Scotland. Second: the ad-hoc modification that no true Scotsman lives anywhere but Scotland.

In this particular case, we have a nice syllogism. By definition: all feminist believe in equality, Anyone who believes in equality is egalitarian, :. Feminists are egalitarian.

To get to No True Scotsman, we'd need a bit more. You'd need to disagree with the first premise on some ground and then see that premise modified to account for your objection.

Comment Re:Priveledge (Score 1) 727

A very nice strawman. I didn't say it was a problem, I said it was a privilege. since being "privileged" is supposedly the most evil thing you can be in Ms. Wu's worldview

Speaking of strawmen...

I am merely asking why class privilege does not seemingly count.

Because a single person can't focus on every possible social problem at once.

Comment Re:Empirical Evidence (Score 0) 273

I do not know of an objective basis for privileging empiricism over rationalism over religion.

Again, we're not discussing religion.

Yes, we have moved to verification. That's kinda the point.

You really should learn at least a little bit about science. Clearly, Wikipedia and skeptic forums have not served you well.

Not that it matters. We're clearly not having the same conversation here.

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