Comment "When the 2nd amendment was drafted"... (Score 1) 609
Read PP's supposition.
Read PP's supposition.
A gun is an expensive toy.
Police will be provided with FUNDS FOR guns (and ammo... and training... and maintenance... and special equipment needed... and better guns...) by the government.
Average citizen will not be provided with a gun or any of the tools or procedures needed to operate one. NOR with the money to purchase any of it.
And that's not going into that average citizen from "when the 2nd amendment was drafted" was fucked if the local economy failed to provide gunpowder or lead.
Nor could the average citizen waltz into a store, leave an IOU payable by the government, and waltz out with all the guns and ammo needed - on account of authority as an elected law enforcement officer.
And even without ANY other funds but the paycheck - police is paid to walk around with guns.
Average citizens have to get and maintain a job - THEN should they be able to afford it, they can buy a gun and walk around with it. Without being paid for that.
Also, police will be provided with additional pairs of hands to handle more guns and even with an army should the need arise.
Average citizen would have to pay for help from his/her own pocket. And would not be allowed to just call up the US army or any other army.
Start there.
If I can prove the ballot is mine, then so can someone looking over my shoulder while I do it. Especially if he's pointing a gun at me.
...where people with guns force people to democratically vote-in the candidate supported by the people with guns?
People with guns don't need threatening or votes.
They have the guns and are willing to use them as a tool of political influence. The simplest way is not threatening but shooting the dissenters.
After all... you only have to do it once.
And that's if people are stupid enough to try to argue the legitimacy of results with a bullet.
You're full of it. Either that or you can't read.
Also, by standing by hired thugs instead of the oppressed people you reveal yourself to be a fascist cunt.
The strikers opened fire first, murdered a few Pinkertons, tried to burn alive Pinkertons who were attempting to surrender, and then after accepting the Pinkertons' surrender, proceeded to torture them.
Not at all suprising that Wikipedia conspicuously fails to mention this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Pinkerton agents attempted to disembark, and shots were fired. Conflicting testimony exists as to which side fired the first shot. John T. McCurry, a boatman on the steamboat Little Bill (which had been hired by the Pinkerton Detective Agency to ferry its agents to the steel mill) and one of the men wounded by the strikers, said: "The armed Pinkerton men commenced to climb up the banks. Then the workmen opened fire on the detectives. The men shot first, and not until three of the Pinkerton men had fallen did they respond to the fire. I am willing to take an oath that the workmen fired first, and that the Pinkerton men did not shoot until some of their number had been wounded."[29] But according to The New York Times, the Pinkertons shot first.[30] The newspaper reported that the Pinkertons opened fire and wounded William Foy, a worker.[30] Regardless of which side opened fire first, the first two individuals wounded were Frederick Heinde, captain of the Pinkertons,[31] and Foy. The Pinkerton agents aboard the barges then fired into the crowd, killing two and wounding 11. The crowd responded in kind, killing two and wounding 12. The firefight continued for about 10 minutes.[32]
After a few more hours, the strikers attempted to burn the barges. They seized a raft, loaded it with oil-soaked timber and floated it toward the barges. The Pinkertons nearly panicked, and a Pinkerton captain had to threaten to shoot anyone who fled. But the fire burned itself out before it reached the barges. The strikers then loaded a railroad flatcar with drums of oil and set it afire. The flatcar hurtled down the rails toward the mill's wharf where the barges were docked. But the car stopped at the water's edge and burned itself out. Dynamite was thrown at the barges, but it only hit the mark once (causing a little damage to one barge). At 2:00 p.m., the workers poured oil onto the river, hoping the oil slick would burn the barges; attempts to light the slick failed.[36]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Pinkertons, too, wished to surrender. At 5:00 p.m., they raised a white flag and two agents asked to speak with the strikers. O'Donnell guaranteed them safe passage out of town. Upon arrival, their arms were stripped from them. With heads uncovered, to distinguish them from the mill hands, they passed along between two rows of guards armed with Winchesters.[41] As the Pinkertons crossed the grounds of the mill, the crowd formed a gauntlet through which the agents passed. Men and women threw sand and stones at the Pinkerton agents, spat on them and beat them. Several Pinkertons were clubbed into unconsciousness. Members of the crowd ransacked the barges, then burned them to the waterline.[42]
As the Pinkertons were marched through town to the Opera House (which served as a temporary jail), the townspeople continued to assault the agents. Two agents were beaten as horrified town officials looked on. The press expressed shock at the treatment of the Pinkerton agents, and the torrent of abuse helped turn media sympathies away from the strikers.[43]
That's your "Wikipedia conspiracy" you little fascist cunt.
Feel free to read up on events leading up to the Battle of July 6th.
How Carnegie's asshole Frick put a barbed wire fence around the plant with snipers, search lights and water cannons on entrances to keep the workers out long before getting Pinkertons, armed for battle, to the plant.
Pinkertons which he hired LONG BEFORE while supposedly still "negotiating" with workers about lowering their wages by 20%, despite higher profits.
Cars aren't a contagious disease that grows exponentially.
You might think there's a big difference between 20,000 deaths and 200,000 deaths, but with exponential phenomenon you have to take logarithms, it's the difference between 4.3 and 5.3; the models were only off by 20%.
And if you look at it from a really high altitude it is practically the same number.
Or on a scale that only counts complete, round, millions - where 20 thousand and 200 thousand are exactly ZERO.
Just because point and percentage SEEM smaller when you decide to only count orders of magnitude, that does NOT mean that the resulting error isn't HUGE.
Had the same model been used to predict whether a certain building code will produce earthquake-proof buildings, rating them a Richter 7-7.9 instead of 6-6.9 - it would be a pretty fucking CATASTROPHIC error when that 7.0000001 earthquake comes along.
AND on top of that it was NOT a difference between 20k and 200k but a difference between 20,712 and 1,400,000.
Only about 70 times greater number. No biggie. What's an order or two of magnitude when spreading panic, right?
Also, it is CASES - not deaths. Than number is even lower, about half of that - 11158
And that's why cars.
Number of deaths by cars is a real, constant and present - ergo it is BORING. Not sensational enough.
But some strange African disease... Oh my!
Better lock up your doors, tape over the windows and don't leave your home unless you want to die horribly!
Like in a burning metal can, bleeding from hundreds of small wounds but conscious enough to smell gasoline all over you while those flames keep lapping towards you...
And your back is broken so you can't even kill yourself while you wait to first start cooking then burning to death...
even if you live in the West, if you weren't scared rigid by the Ebola outbreak, you didn't understand what just happened
No.
It means you're not prone to panic resulting from conjunction fallacy, applied to a strange, foreign, wild, African, deadly disease, running rampant as locals reject treatment, release diseased people out of quarantine and spread the disease everywhere...
BTW... Did you know that there are 250,000 - 500,000 deaths from that harmless disease called the flu?
That's just silly... who dies from flu... I had flu... nobody dies from flu.
Avian flu on the other hand... Now that's dangerous.
Number of avian flu deaths?
One 73 year old Chinese woman with an arm's length list of diseases to her name.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12...
BTW, average life expectancy in China - 75.
77 for women.
Ebola likes hot, humid climate and presence of monkeys and bats so the virus can keep on "simmering" all year long.
And it really loves open casket funerals where everyone touches and kisses the dead person.
It also loves rural areas with little or no medical resources or staff available.
It DOESN'T LIKE quarantine in colder, drier climates, stricter funeral rules and readily available cheap disinfectants... well... cheap in a developed Western country with adequate sanitation and medical facilities and staff.
As a bonus, people get sick quick and start dying really soon. And with no simmering bats and monkeys around... it dies out.
Hint: Despite every king and his uncle prancing around Africa during the colonial age, spreading diseases and generally doing stupid things like biting native women - no epidemic of Ebola ever made it to Europe.
Unlike flu.
But fuck flu. I had flu. Nobody dies from flu. Unless it is some conjunction fallacy flu - then it is deadly.
...and first among children and young adults (5 - 24) are cars, with 33804 deaths in 2013 alone.
6510 of those being in the 15 - 24 years of age range.
Now... Maybe you're out there, in the night, prowling garages and parking lots, killing all those cars in their sleep in order to prevent further deaths.
Which would explain why you missed OP's point.
Which was that those "worst-case scenarios that mobilized international efforts" predicting "175,000 cases in Liberia by the end of 2014... [and] 1.4 million cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone" could result in a "crying wolf effect" when the next epidemic comes around.
...from accepting a "Yes", even in your own words.
Unless there is something like an auto-exercise machine that can provide a full range of human activity to a brainless corpse, the process would be pointless.
It is only that now it can all be replaced with exoskeletons.
As for...
It seems much safer and potentially more effective to simply raise a clone child and simply confiscate the body when the transplantee is ready.
Besides those rather retarded morality issues that have caused my post above to fluctuate from 1 to 5 and down back to 2... Which is hilarious, watching supposedly above average intelligent and educated people (i.e. Nerds.) getting so emotional about SciFi beliefs.
Anyway, besides that... A "free range" clone would be susceptible to damage and destruction from diseases and injuries, thus increasing the number of clones needed (probably to hundreds) in order to have a single healthy clone readily available when necessary.
"Clone in a jar" can be kept safe from nearly anything, up to nuclear strikes.
All "raising clone" does is make for a Michael Bay movie.
grew up physically disabled and had some function restored medically later in life.
Unless the person being cloned grew up physically disabled, that is of no relevance.
The transplanted nervous system already knows how to use the body.
We're not talking about someone growing up with physical issues preventing them from developing a healthy body - we're talking about someone with no issues getting a new body due to catastrophic wear and tear of the original body.
Again, reflexes are neurological and thus biological - and thus built-in in a healthy new body.
For starters...
While there is currently no technology to produce healthy human clones technology for growing muscles is readily available and has been for centuries.
It is only that now it can all be replaced with exoskeletons.
As for reflexes... you have no idea what you are talking about don't you? Reflexes are built into the nervous system.
As in - it's biology. Like heart pumping blood. You don't "learn" that.
That's why when checking the nervous system for damage one of the main indicators that are checked are reflexes.
And standing, walking, talking etc. are NOT reflexes. Hint: Humans have to learn to do those things.
And relearn to do them in the case of an injury, through physical therapy.
Injury like breaking both legs in a skiing accident, a car crash - or a full body transplant.
What's the use of a clone knowing how to walk or dance? That's gonna get overwritten anyway.
You don't pick up a taste for cigarettes with a smoker's kidney or hearts, nor do you get artistic with painter's cornea.
There is no soul, spirit, sentience or skill in a bunch of CELLS.
Same way, there are no transferable reflexes from a body to a mind - cause body don't know jack shit.
Sure... stuff will taste, smell and look kinda different for a while and you'll have to get your liver used to alcohol and fatty food again... but that's just the part of necessary physical therapy.
Praise the penis that we have such paragons of morality like you - ready to sentence random strangers to death based on their own antiquated moral and other beliefs.
Including scientific beliefs. As opposed to scientific reality.
Cause believing that a clone which was never allowed to grow into a person (cause it was built that way) is anything more than an overgrown collection of cells - is no different than the beliefs of those religious nuts who claim every fertilized and unfertilized egg and every sperm are a potential human being.
You make clones. Design them.
Fully healthy human clones means that you could have a blonde Asian female clone of yourself as well as a redhead black male clone of yourself. If you wanted to.
They are not persons any more than a collection of human organs kept alive by a machine is a person.
Or a braindead body with no cerebral activity. Just organs. No person inside.
Make headway at work. Continue to let things deteriorate at home.