You make a great point! If I say I am a potato, not a man, then it is indisputable that I am a potato!

But I bet they know what Pedantry means! (You clearly don't)

So we are in agreement then that there is no insult to Visual Studio. Claiming there is is like claiming that saying "You might not like to drive your Porsche in beach sand, as it was not designed for that" is an insult to Porsche. What kind of idiot thinks that is a put down of VS?

I have bad news for you bud. Unless 80% of the programmers you know are incompetent, you and your brethren are classic examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

"Really? You must not do much real-world programming then. "

If anyone had any doubt they need only look at that statement. No competent programmer is so lacking in logical facility that they would draw that conclusion. Period.

"Basically, your assumption smells like the shit hole you crapped it out of."

That smell is your breath. Later, moron.

You seem to mistakenly believe that you are saying something different than what I said.You just re-iterated my point. Thanks!

You must have read the wrong article. The one linked to in the summary mentions Vsual Studio no less than 21 times, and always in a way that is positive. Show me a single insult. I couldn't find it.

I didn't pick up on it at first, but CTRL-Femacs and CRTL-Fvim both show no instances of either. Eclipse is mentioned, but M$ Visual Suck is mentioned in the same very small paragraph. How many times is M$ Visual Suck mentioned you ask? 21 times! Again, that M$ garbage 22 times, emacs and vim not once. Yep, it's an M$ ad.

"*Shrug!* I haven't done any programming since the Second Millennium ended."

Hey! Then guess what?! You are completely off topic and in the wrong story thread! If we ever need the opinion of a layperson with almost no skills on the subject and limited and outdated experience we will be sure to contact you immediately!

Don't be an idiot. I am a vim guy, but claiming that vim is better than emacs, or vice versa, is great for meme style joking around, but to say it in an actual serious discussion and mean it is a sign of shear stupidity.

Your thinking of IPEs (Integrated Programming Environments - which as far as I know don't exist) not Integrated Development Environments. IDEs are helpful for development, of which programming is merely a subset. Unfortunately the industry is flooded with people who don't know the difference:

How long have you been coding? 7 Days you say? When did you start the project? 7 Days ago? Seriously?

Yes, alas, there are a lot of people who think that development starts with writing code. It doesn't. If you are doing it that way, you are doing it wrong :-(

Linux must be a robot then, because I guarantee you that emacs and vim are both IDEs. Perhaps you didn't know that IDE stands for Integrated Development Environment? That is the only way you could arrive at such a ridiculously stupid conclusion that emacs is not an IDE.

Bullshit. vim is an equivalent tool to emacs (except it has a decent editor :-)

Saying emacs is by far the beat option available is stupid. It would be equally stupid to say the same about vim. Both vim and emacs are similar, and you would never get "laughed off this forum" for using vim rather than emacs. While we always joke about which is better, you'd have to be a moron to believe that emacs is far better than vim, or vice versa.

"PS, in concession: I could make the same cases for Vim and its grandchildren. Once you've learned them, if they do what you need then there's very little compelling reason to change."

Sound reasoning and pragmatism. Very nice. I use vim and joke about the vim vs. emacs debate all the time, but in truth I don't care which you are proficient with so long as it is with at least one of the two. If you can't use vim or emacs proficiently, I immediately start to question your competence. I'm not saying everyone who is unfamiliar with emacs or vim is incompetent, just that the likelihood rises quite a bit when the person can use neither well.

"I have been programming since vi was considered advanced."

We'll need more information to determine how long you have been programming, since you could have started moments before your post based on that criteria. VIM is still one of the best IDEs available (people mistakenly refer to it as an editor; that's like calling a car a windsheild; yes VIM has an editor, but it is much more than that.) Sure, you need to set it up with the right tools (e.g. tag files with cscope or ctags) but that is true of any modern IDE today (e.g. Eclipse)

Yes. Virtualization of complex computer networks with multiple virtual machines on a single desktop or laptop computer is so 1960s! Do yourself a favor. Until you actually understand the technology, refrain from commenting on it. You'll avoid the case where you broadcast your ignorance to the world.