YouTube Video Warned About School Shooting 426
mytrip writes to tell us that CNN is reporting at least eight dead in a Finland school shooting that was apparently planned out in graphic videos posted to YouTube. "YouTube appeared to have removed 89 videos linked to his account, many of them featuring Nazi imagery, shortly after the incident. Finnish media reported someone posted a message two weeks ago on the Web site, warning of a bloodbath at the school. A video posted earlier Wednesday, by 'Sturmgeist89,' was titled 'Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007.' 'Sturmgeist89' identified himself as Auvinen, and said he chose the name 'Sturmgeist' because it means 'storm spirit' in German."
Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
Freaky stuff.... [zami.pp.fi]
Shut down YouTube (Score:1, Interesting)
/sarcasm
Finland and the Nazis (Score:5, Interesting)
However, Finland has a unique relationship with Nazism that Americans and other Europeans don't really know much about. The history of Finland during the Second World War [wikipedia.org] is quite different from any other country. To a certain extent, the Nazis could be argued as the saviours of Finland, because historically Finland's greatest struggle has always been with Russia.. and to that extent, Germany was a natural ally during WW2.
The dichotomy is that the Finns are a democratic and fair-minded people, and the Nazis were exactly the opposite. But as the famous saying goes, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" - and this is precisely what happened during the war.
I'm not saying that Finns are fascists, and I'm not even saying that *many* Finns are fascists, but what I am saying is that perhaps Finland is the *only* state that at least partly owes its ongoing independence to co-operation with the Nazis. That's why I'm not completely surprised to read about Auvinen's Nazi obsession.. it's a disturbing secret of Finnish history.
Re:Interesting (Score:3, Interesting)
For the number of people who dream of getting a gun and mowing down their high school (myself included on several occasions, and I was in college when Columbine happened), the number of people who actually do it is as low as can be.
I certainly think parents are the first line of defense. Teacher's can't be expected to "sense" when a kid is about to snap and start killing people, but a parent should notice that sort of nihilism, and at least get them to therapy, where a professional would have a chance of doing a real evaluation. Not to say that I'm a big fan of psychotherapy, but still.
Re:Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil! (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh, how fucking original... (Score:3, Interesting)
Word of advice, you fuckwit: the Will to Power does not involve random murder. Nor does killing a bunch of people including yourself count as a good move, evolutionarily speaking.
Shit. If I didn't know he'd actually done it, I'd think this was a joke. You couldn't get a more perfect stereotype of the school shooter. This is just made for the media - I almost wonder if he wrote this on purpose, to give them something to chew on afterwards...
Re:Obviously (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:It's the media (Score:2, Interesting)
This guys website directory linked above looks almost like a press-kit!
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Interesting)
Umm, I think the survivors of a particular genocide can call it whatever the fuck they want and we should respect the name they choose.
In terms of your comparisons. I think there are special circumstances that differentiate the Jew's genocide and treatment by the nazi's. They weren't just exterminated, they weren't just ostracized from society, they were tortured, starved, experimented on, persecuted, and so on. They can use both titles due to the extent of their suffering. For your Info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide [wikipedia.org]
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
He was bullied at school (Score:3, Interesting)
May be, not are (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm willing to believe that they may be therapeutic in some cases where people have their fantasy and move on. However there are also people who dwell on them and that is certainly not therapeutic or cathartic.
It's the same thing but from my experiences with depression the human brain can certainly get stuck in an unhealthy loop and focus repeatedly on things until they become all-consuming.
It's silly to say that all fantasy is bad, but it's equally silly to say all of it is good or harmless.
Re:Finland and the Nazis (Score:3, Interesting)
The Geek as "Rambo" (Score:4, Interesting)
This is real world and not the video game, more likely you will doing something involuntary...and messy.
It would be altogether extraordinary if you were physically and emotionally prepared to challenge a close-combat trained killer who had just slit the throat of a stewardess to make his point.
Waterboarding (Score:3, Interesting)
Torture extracts what you want to hear and not want you need to know. The terrorist who risks capture has probably memorized enough false leads and plausible scenarios to keep his interrogators occupied for months. He will have been trained to sacrifice his pawns to protect his queen. He may not even know how much of the truth he holds himself.
Re:Interesting (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Nazi UK and the Stalinists (Score:2, Interesting)
Before even this happened, UK and the rest of the western world had bowed to nazi demands more than once, notably on the case of Czechoslovakia who was their ally (see Munich Betrayal), an independent nation that was given to Germany piecemeal to provide the people of Britain and France with peace.
Now, does this make UK and France Nazi countries? An independent observer might think so somehow. Not that the betrayal of allies ends there. Though war was declared against Germany over the invasion of Poland, no overt action was really taken. And when the Soviet Union invaded, there was no declaration of war or hostilities. In fact, prominent British nazis were interned, but not prominent communists. Does this make UK a Stalinist country?
After Finland gets attacked by Soviet Union in winter of '39, it is bombarded, by "bread baskets" from the USSR and by sympathetic rhetoric and promises of aid from the western powers. A plan is even hatched by the British and French to "help Finland" by landing in northern Norway and seizing the ore deposits in northern Sweden, virtually guaranteeing a German response (and turning Scandinavia into a proxy battlefield).
You can argue that all these moves were necessary to protect UK from another world war. But if actions of questionable morality can be justified by the good of the country, they make sense.
Now for the case of Finland and the Nazis:
One of the major contributors of tangible (not rhetorical) aid to Finland is actually Fascist Italy. With western aid being limited to obsolete equipment bought at hard currency and delivered too late and with no spare parts. Germany, while officially neutral, permits aid to Finland to pass through it's territory, something many other countries don't allow.
Surrounded by two "evil", allied, regimes, one leading a historical foe (which in '41 was already demanding more concessions on top of those gained in the Winter War) and one leading a historical ally, is it a wonder if a German proposition of offering military equipment in return of rights-of-passage to Norway and use of some military bases was accepted?
In short, it is not just a case of being between a rock and a hard place. It's also seeing how the game of realpolitik is played, with little or no regard for morality to safeguard one's own interests. Each of the belligerents of WW2 were allied to an evil dictatorship at some point in the war, some even to both of them at different points in time. The fact that post-war propaganda makes Soviet Union a "victim" and a "lesser evil" is just winner's history. You can actually get a fairly unbiased view of the war in Europe from the book "Europe at War" by Norman Davies. However if you like your history black and white, do not read the book, it will only serve to ruin your view of the world.