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Microsoft FUD Watch 154

rs232 writes "Not a week goes by when Microsoft doesn't manufacture a little fear, uncertainty and doubt about something. Yesterday's financial analyst conference was full of it ... Our approach is simple: We look at who said what and why it's FUD. Lots of companies engage in FUD, and we only single out Microsoft because we're Microsoft Watch"
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Microsoft FUD Watch

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  • FUD (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:18AM (#20042311)
    I'm sick of hearing of this acronym. Can't you just give it a rest? It's so very 90s to be complaining about "FUD". And a very shallow analysis.
  • by Sciros ( 986030 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:18AM (#20042313) Journal
    Taking PR statements and criticizing them for being PR speak is #3 on the "10 dumbest ways to spend your time" list that I made a minute ago. Honestly, when I find a large company with a PR department that *doesn't* make exactly the same sort of statements Microsoft's does, I'm going to try really hard to make it back to this reality from the alternate one I somehow ended up in.

    Hi we are Microsoft Watch and we spread FUD about their FUD, please FUD our FUD by FUDDING some FUD, preferably via FUD.
  • FUD? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by apodyopsis ( 1048476 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:22AM (#20042363)
    I don't know abour FUD watch, but many of their press releases are so obfiscated, long winded, badly phrased and rambling I find it difficult to follow. Its like Sir Humphrey Appleby from "Yes Minister", it takes a moment to actually understand what the hell they are talking about.

    Is it just me or do these guys find it impossible to speak english in a plain and simple fashion?

    Actually, I think there is a proper word for this - but for the like of me I cannot remember what it is. :-(

  • by MontyApollo ( 849862 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:24AM (#20042395)
    Yeah, I agree.

    FUD has kinda of lost all meaning if you want to insist that generic PR statements are FUD. They even went into detail to explain why each statement was FUD, and that made them look even more pathetic and clueless.
  • /. FUD Watch (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WED Fan ( 911325 ) <akahige@tras[ ]il.net ['hma' in gap]> on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:24AM (#20042399) Homepage Journal

    "Not a week goes by when /. doesn't manufacture a little fear, uncertainty and doubt about Microsoft...We look at who said what and why it's FUD. Lots of /. submitters engage in FUD, and we only single out /. because we're /. Watch"

    Oh, Sweet Mother of God and Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick and Buddha in a Banyan, if there isn't something specific about Microsoft in the news on a Monday morning, some jackass has to manufacture something so there can be a day where MS is mentioned on the /. front page?

    This is as bad as the guy at work that keeps talking about his ex-wife, who he divorced 15 years ago. Let it go! At least wait for Microsoft to actually do something, you know they will.

  • by Holmwood ( 899130 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:30AM (#20042475)
    I agree with the parent. This is FUD? That's just plain silly. It's PRspeak, and fairly dull PRspeak at that.

    Moreover, I actually think what they said about phones was sensible. From TFA:

    Some people want a phone where it's easy to dial. People want different sets of capabilities, and a bunch of people want a full QWERTY keyboard.


    By 'full' he presumably means physical. Like say, the Blackberry (not even a MS product).

    This is just such an unexceptional article, it's surprising that it was linked.
  • Re:FUD? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:40AM (#20042597)
    Where's the difference? Both serve only one purpose: To make potential customers and investors think you have something worth stuffing money into when there is essentially nothing to see and they'd move along.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:50AM (#20042721)
    Ray Ozzie got his job because he worked alongside Dave Cutler at Digital, and he pretty much worships the Microsoft Way. Don't expect change from Ray Ozzie. Ray Ozzie made a career out of re-implementing VAX Notes. Twice so far, and neither successfully. He is overrated, and his image is overhyped. Heck, Bill Gates has better taste and better instincts for what makes good software. Microosft will continue down a path of FUDing and bullying based on their financial and market strength.

    This isn't just how it inevitably is at big companies. Some are different. For example, Jonathan Schwartz got his job because he won't do things the Sun Way. No leader is perfect, and I know lots of people who don't like Schwartz. But Schwartz has backed up his promises by embracing GPL3 and hiring Ian Murdock to change the way Solaris is delivered.

    You can reasonably expect Sun's performance to improve. You can reasonably expect Microsoft to continue to miss the point when trying to compete against Open Source software, and to grow worse, in fact, in the way they use PR, lobbyists, FUD, and financial bully tactics as they fail to find a way to stop alternative business models from chipping away at their lead.

  • Re:FUD? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by st0nes ( 1120305 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:52AM (#20042755) Homepage

    many of their press releases are so obfiscated, long winded, badly phrased and rambling I find it difficult to follow.
    I couldn't agree more. Their manuals are no better; here's an example from the C# programming manual:-

    The ButtonProperty value is a string that represents the property name used by the installer to retrieve the value of the button group. This property can be referenced by custom launch conditions to make decisions concerning application installation. For example, if the ButtonProperty is set to Buttons, you create a launch condition that examines the value of the Buttons property. If the first radio button is selected, Buttons takes the value contained in the Button1Value property. Likewise, if the second radio button is selected, Buttons takes the value contained in the Button2Value property. Many of the customizable dialog boxes have similarly configurable properties, which allow you to create a rich and complex installation experience for your users.
  • Re:/. FUD Watch (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2007 @10:58AM (#20042829)

    Lets have a Microsoft free week. If Microsoft is bashed or put on a pedestal then kill the story.
    You know... at various times I've seen slashdot posts saying exactly the same thing, except about "Apple" or "iPhone" or "Google" or "Linux Desktop Readiness" and a bunch of other "overly hyped" or "repeatedly posted" topics.

    I'm not going to try and disagree with any particular one of those suggestions. I, too, sometimes find that a given topic is being over-hyped. However I think we should keep in mind that if Slashdot were to really stop reporting on all those topics, then we would basically have no content on Slashdot. Moreover, important trends would indeed pass by without Slashdot picking up on them. So, I don't think the answer is to have a "Microsoft-free" week or a "Google-free" week... but rather for Slashdot users to agree to skip stories if they are on a topic that they are currently bored with.

    Yes, it's really that easy. If a certain class of story is "boring" and no one comments on it, then over time such stories will disappear. As long as people keep engaging in lively debate when a particular story comes out, then obviously there is some desire for those stories. And we all have to deal with that fact.
  • Re:way to go (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2007 @11:29AM (#20043207)
    Pointing out FUD is important to help prepare the IT professional to address the issues when management gets taken in by them. Having clear reasons why it is FUD is critical!
  • Re:FUD (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2007 @11:37AM (#20043321)
    Just like politicians use words like 'racist' and 'sexist' to defeat arguments they know they cant win, without actually making any point or disproving them in any way, 'FUD' is a term that Slashbots like to use if they want to instantly discredit something they don't want to hear, without having to think up a real argument. Other words that fall into this category are 'fanboy', 'zealot' and 'shill', although there are many others.

    A sign of lazy thinking, or someone who daren't contemplate something that doesn't fit his world view, its a common sight on Slashdot.
  • Re:FUD? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by st0nes ( 1120305 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @11:37AM (#20043325) Homepage
    I suspect that you are correct. If so, you should immediately apply to MS for a technical authoring job at an astronomical salary -- you managed to explain it more clearly in about a quarter of the words. Incidentally, we now know that when Windows installation breaks, it isn't a bug, it's a "...a rich and complex installation experience."
  • Re:Good Idea (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 30, 2007 @11:53AM (#20043521)
    Did you even read the article?

    Yes, FUD is bad, but if you're going to complain about FUD it should at least meet that definition.
    If the definition, as you say, 'has nothing to do with Microsoft', then I don't see how on earth were they flagged as FUD by the author.

    Where is the unwarranted Fear, the Uncertainty, or the Doubt?
    Were these statements directed at consumers considering competing products? (per the article itself, no).

    3 of 4 statements are obviously non-FUD, since they're just positive statements about themselves, their products and their market - standard PR intended to instill confidence on the audience about it being a good company to invest in.
    There's not even a serious mention of the competition, much less an attempt at FUD.

    The other one (the last one) is just stating an obvious fact: Microsoft still eclipses Apple in size, which is a huge competitive advantage. The article's point for FUD-ness is absurd enough considering the audience:

    "Wal-Mart typically takes in as much money in the first quarter as Target makes in one year. Is that a reason to pick one store over the other?"

    Well, perhaps not if you're a consumer looking for the best product.
    But if you're a financial analyst looking for the best investment, then very probably yes, and that was the audience for this statement.

    It's not like there is a dearth of FUD material these days on the industry, so picking on this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term even means.
  • Re:FUD? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by wvmarle ( 1070040 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @11:58AM (#20043597)

    [..], which allow you to create a rich and complex installation experience for your users.

    Euhm... am I really the only one that likes my installation experiences to be SIMPLE?

    That said, I'm quite experienced in installing Linux. And that is not always easy. And no, I don't enjoy doing it.

  • Re:/. FUD Watch (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tha_mink ( 518151 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @12:04PM (#20043689)

    I'm not going to try and disagree with any particular one of those suggestions. I, too, sometimes find that a given topic is being over-hyped. However I think we should keep in mind that if Slashdot were to really stop reporting on all those topics, then we would basically have no content on Slashdot. Moreover, important trends would indeed pass by without Slashdot picking up on them. So, I don't think the answer is to have a "Microsoft-free" week or a "Google-free" week... but rather for Slashdot users to agree to skip stories if they are on a topic that they are currently bored with.
    Seriously though, this article is barely a "topic". It's a MS basher bashing MS. Which I fine I guess, but if you RTA, it's so weak and such a stretch that it's hardly worth mentioning. A guy gets up in a financial meeting, spouts a whole bunch of corporate speak, and the article_author calls it FUD. It wasn't really FUD though in my option, it was just crap. So what's the big deal, find me one corporate financial meeting where there isn't some stiff spouting about how and why they're the best company in the best financial position. Jesus.
  • Re:/. FUD Watch (Score:4, Insightful)

    by MobileTatsu-NJG ( 946591 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @12:18PM (#20043923)
    "Lets have a Microsoft free week. If Microsoft is bashed or put on a pedestal then kill the story."

    Actually that'd be nice. We already know MS is evil and that they shouldn't be trusted. So, instead, the watchful eyes should be on Google. Every day they get more and more personal data on everybody. I know we like them now, but should that publicly traded company change its focus...

    It'd be nice to put all this energy into preventing evil from being committed as opposed to bitching about stuff that happened years ago.
  • by dwarfking ( 95773 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @12:21PM (#20043983) Homepage

    While I agree with those that think a Microsoft FUD watch page is a bit of a waste of time, I'm still amused by the fact someone is posting it.

    Let us not forget that Microsoft was the master of the FUD campaign. Consider how it used to be. A small, unknown company (Small Software Company) launches a software product that has great potential, but would result in users being semi-locked into that company. Microsoft sees the potential and announces they have their own version about ready to release, knowing full well they don't.

    Average user thinks "Well, I'll just wait for the Microsoft product because I really don't know Small Software Company and whether they'll be around.", which gives Microsoft enough time to throw tons of money on a project to whip up a Version 1.0 to compete.

    This model worked well for Microsoft for a number of years. But now, it isn't Small Software Company that Microsoft is chasing, it's Google and Apple, to name two. These are also well known to Mr. and Mrs. Average User.

    So now, Apple or Google announces a new product, the Average User family starts using it. Microsoft announces their plan to release a competitor and the Average User thinks "a little late to the party".

    The point is, people are getting more choice from companies they trust. So the FUD campaigns are not going to be as effective.

    It is fun to watch, though.

  • by I'm Don Giovanni ( 598558 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @01:02PM (#20044595)
    "This is just such an unexceptional article, it's surprising that it was linked."

    Not surprising at all. The quality threshold slashdot editors use for any anti-Microsoft article is extremely low. I'm not surprised at all that they accepted this vacuous drivel. In fact, I would've been surpised had they rejected it. Remember, this site uses a borg icon for "Microsoft" topics and a broken window pane icon for "Windows" topics. All other topic category icons are "neutral", devoid of editorial spin. So slashdot doesn't even have any pretense of objectivity when it comes to Microsoft, they proclaim their anti-MS bias with each and every MS and Windows article by using those icons.
  • Re:FUD? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jZnat ( 793348 ) * on Monday July 30, 2007 @01:18PM (#20044845) Homepage Journal
    Try to read legalese without a law degree and see how far that gets you. Same goes for any programming language without actually being a programmer or having any concept of computer science.
  • Re:/. FUD Watch (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Pollardito ( 781263 ) on Monday July 30, 2007 @05:25PM (#20048875)

    Why, Why, Why is this modded 'Informative'?
    now you know why not to get married

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