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GoogleOS Scenarios 224

ReadWriteWeb writes "Read/WriteWeb offers 3 scenarios for a GoogleOS and suggests it could be less than 6 months away. They say it may be a web based desktop (aka WebOS), a full featured Linux distribution, or a lightweight Linux distro and/or BIOS. They predict that once Microsoft's Vista rolls out, it will present a direct threat to Google's Web properties and so therefore Google will start a more punchy strategy — pushing Firefox and some form of Google OS in order to nullify Vista's potential impact."
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GoogleOS Scenarios

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  • Google OS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MeNeXT ( 200840 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @10:54AM (#16949874)
    Linux/FreeBSD, Gnome/KDE, OOo, Firefox, Gaim, on Wii and PS3. At $50 a CD just the Wii with 4 million units to be released by the end of the year it would be a killing.

    They wouldn't need to develop it just negotiate with Ubuntu. It's easier to maintain than Windows.

    I've even sent Nintendo an email last year. To bad I don't have the finances to fund this.
  • My wishos (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cucucu ( 953756 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @10:58AM (#16949952)
    I wish Google (or someone) did the following OS:
    • My computer image is hosted somewhere, is always with up to date software, upgrades are tranparent
    • There are a lot of access tiers:
      • An ajax based command line for pro users.
      • Google spreadsheet and Google docs let you browse and edit the files in your desktop
      • Specialized software lets you login with remote desktop or X windows or whatever

    • I can run servers on my computer
    • If I don't the provider can park my image while I'm not logged in
    • They provide a database if I want to run a server

  • The Thin Client (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Slipgrid ( 938571 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @11:02AM (#16950032) Homepage Journal
    I think the way that Google will go is to make thin client apps that will run on any old computer. They could use a simple file system to install on peoples old and insecure desktops to secure them, and have something to run Firefox or whatever client will access their products. And they will have all their other apps put together in a nice form or package. Whatever file system people install on their desktops will allow them to install third party software.

    Really it's a hard sale for most people. Do you want all your info, or say just all your email, documents, video, and whatever else (depending on what products they create) on Google servers. Does Google want to compete with M$ in this arena? Of course the Google OS would be free as in beer with labels. I'm not sure.

    I think the more likely scenario would be a Google OS for Servers. To be sure, they are using a custom file system, and they have that down pat. An end-user product is less likely. If it isn't perfect, they likely won't release it.
  • Re:My wishos (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cucucu ( 953756 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @11:03AM (#16950060)
    (second time today I click on Submit instead of preview. Can't ./ add a confirmation alert before proceeding?)

    • If I run a server I also have a static IP
    • They can charge for some of the services, with a pricing model similar to the Amazon EC2 [amazon.com]. I.e. 1$ per Gygabyte, .10 per hour CPU, .10 per hour static IP
    • I guess they would charge for those who run the server option
    • The web & db scale automatically
    • Bandwidth is free within the provider's environment - this is very interesting for Google, they could absorve all the Web into their datacenters.


    my 2 cents
  • OR (Score:2, Interesting)

    by luguvalium2 ( 466022 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @11:07AM (#16950132) Homepage
    How about a virtual os that is optimised for web use that runs under vmware player. Google can manage all the configuration, updates, virus protection, malware protection (if needed) etc.
  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @11:12AM (#16950224)
    They say it may be a web based desktop (aka WebOS), a full featured Linux distribution, or a lightweight Linux distro and/or BIOS.
    Yes, of course, the bulk of end users are just waiting for yet another Linux distro before they drop Windows.
    They predict that once Microsoft's Vista rolls out, it will present a direct threat to Google's Web properties and so therefore Google will start a more punchy strategy -- pushing Firefox and some form of Google OS in order to nullify Vista's potential impact."
    Good luck with that. Say, which major hardware manufacturers have said said they will support this still-to-be-spec'ed Google OS?
  • Re:So in other words (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Ruff_ilb ( 769396 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @11:26AM (#16950432) Homepage
    Maybe it's simply because Google hasn't been around for that long, but has done so much.

    I'm sure analysts were doing the same sort of things during the first 24 months of MSFT or so.
  • by not already in use ( 972294 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @11:40AM (#16950726)
    These WebOS's that keep popping up are nothing more than proof-of-concept web pages that do nothing except prove that you can emulate the look and feel of a desktop OS using web technologies. They are in no way practical and anyone who thinks that a real company would pursue this option as a real OS solution rode the short bus as a child.

    Looking at things from Google's perspective, they should want to support whatever could help topple MS. They have a spot of Apple's board, so they are helping Apple from a strategic standpoint. I think it is also important to note that Google is a supporter of open source and Linux, and it would not make sense for them to release their own distro when they could help to support an existing and privatly funded distro that has already made huge inroads (relatively speaking of course, in comparison to other linux desktops) in the desktop market, that being Ubuntu. I personally would like to see google throw their weight behind Ubuntu, as it would really get linux out there as a viable alternative to windows.

    The idea that google is gonna release their own OS? Never gonna happen.
  • Re:Soooo ... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by businessnerd ( 1009815 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @11:52AM (#16950924)
    They know how to type google.com into their search bars when they want to use a real search engine.
    Actually I have come across many users who do not understand the whole typing of URLs in the address bar and are completely dependent on Google for ALL web browsing because someone (probably one of us) set it as the default page. In fact one person I know was having a problem where Google was not opening up, so I asked if it was just google or if it was every page. He replied that google was the default page and that he can't get to any other page without it. When I asked if he tried typing in another web address into the address bar, he returned a blank and confused stare. I encountered other people who used this same method of web browsing and my head almost exploded the first time I encountered this.

    My point being (and I do have a point), that if the user is running vista, and he or she opens up IE7 (cause that's the default) and the first page they see is MS Live (cause that's the default), and MS Live is conveniently modeled to look almost exactly like google (can you blame them?), they probably won't even realize that it is NOT google. They will assume that this is the new Google Vista edition or something, and just continue on using MS Live. This is a serious threat to Google. Google needs to come up with a way to either compete directly in the way that MS is (which is what this article is about), or they need to educate users that they need to type in WWW.GOOGLE.COM for that Genuine Google Advantage (GGA, accept no substitutes. This would be interesting as it would involve some kind of media advertising which to my knowledge google has never done.
  • by nigham ( 792777 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @12:02PM (#16951094) Homepage
    Google is a minimalist company. The Google OS will probably be a basic OS with the ability to check mail, maintain basic documents, your calendar, photos, and your news. Oh wait... thats already here! Am I the only one who realizes how much we're in the browser these days? When I'm writing in Writely I actually try to Alt+Tab out to my browser... before realizing I'm in my browser already.
  • by jomegat ( 706411 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @12:42PM (#16951916)
    That's what I think they're doing. It explains the data-center-in-a-shipping-container phenom. I also think that's why they're partnering with Sun - Sun will make the thin clients.

    They'll make them cheap enough (or subsidize them). It's a compelling set up. Consumer Joe buys a thin client for $100, plugs it into his broadband connection and connects to apps running on a terminal server in the shipping container nearest his home. For less than the price of Vista or a new PC, he satisfies all his computing needs. He never has to install any software. He never has to worry about viruses. The terminal server is maintained by professional sysadmins. The heavy lifting is done in the shipping container, so the thin client is relatively "future proof". All the client ever has to do is run an X server, and that requires a fairly fixed set of resources.

    The only thing I'd worry about is privacy. Maybe they'll let Joe use a thumb drive to store his data. Or maybe Joe doesn't care about his privacy. Google then has control of the desktop, so ads are not limited to the web browser. We'd better hope they stick to the "Do no evil" thing.

  • Re:Kernel developers (Score:4, Interesting)

    by DragonWriter ( 970822 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @12:48PM (#16952074)
    I think its more likely that Google will just team up with an existing (preumably, some version of Linux) open-source OS distribution in a cross-promotion deal and by dedicating Google staff time to submitting code (and chrome) for it (and to work particularly on getting key applications working well on it): it provides the same insurance against Microsoft leveraging their OS/Browser position against Google that a "GoogleOS" would, and is what Google has essentially done in the browser space with their relationship with Mozilla (and RealNetworks).

  • Meebo (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dodongo ( 412749 ) <chucksmith@nOSpAm.alumni.purdue.edu> on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @01:12PM (#16952572) Homepage
    The first thing I thought of when I saw Meebo in action was "coolness."

    The second thing I thought was "Holy crap, an emulated windowing environment within a web browser."

    Presumably the backend to run IM clients was straightforward enough; there are several open implementations. The reason, I think, they took the time to set this up is to show that you can actually run a GUI within a browser window and have it be convincingly responsive. They've gotta be hoping Google and some other corporations are attracted to this decentralized, client-naive way of computing.

    In the right hands, this stands to be a boon for computing in general, as the OS becomes largely just another abstraction layer between the browser and the hardware. It would also be a boon for Linux as a viable desktop platform, because all you'd have to do is boot up into a web browser in kiosk mode to have functional (and cheap!) workstations, which are essentially OS-agnostic. Brilliant.
  • Oh phuleeze! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @01:20PM (#16952770)
    What is a cool thing that came out of Google from WITHIN Google in recent months since Google Maps. Even GMaps is largely because of their purchase of KeyHole. That online word processor thingy is b/c they bought Writely. Google videos couldn't make headway, so they bought YouTube.

    With billions of dollars market cap with share price at 400+ dollars and all the smart people in the world what has Google turned up recently on their own? Don't cite these cheap knockout, me-too implementations like Google Talk (hi, skype) and GWallet (paypal). These never get out of beta, wither for a while and silently die.

    Looks like lot of smarties made their money and moved onto other startups.

    So given that, my guess is they will just partner with Kubuntu and release a distro with Google wallpaper and a google screen saver that displays their stock chart and call it GoogleOS.

    yeah, call me cynical. :-)
  • Re:So in other words (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mr_mischief ( 456295 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @03:20PM (#16955332) Journal
    The biggest ways I see Google being different from most companies in tech is that they are not into competing in well-established markets. Google has a tendency either to redefine the whole meaning and level of a market segment (like they did with search and Gmail), to invent whole new markets where they are the first company present (placing context-relevant ads on many, many websites), or get in to markets where therre are a few small players but they're going to be the only big one (online office suites that actually work).

    It's a strategic company, not a tactical company. I think most companies think tactically. Most analysts almost certainly do. Google is so hard to analyze because they don't do what other companies do. Other companies look at what's out there and try to be better or to market better. Sometimes they try something new. Google just keeps doing new things, and the ones that stick to the wall stick hard.

    Google doesn't focus on maximizing packaged units or hitting the sweet spot on the existing promotion cost/ROI curve. They are about moving the promotion cost/ROI curve to a new level by building strong user loyalty, and waiting for everyone else to catch up. Then they move on to another market curve where they do the same again.

    The way they build strong user loyalty is often to make simple things simple to do. MS Office can do more than Google Spreadsheets and Google Documents. But Google's offerings work from just about every device you own, do everything you need to do for most documents, don't have to be installed, and only cost you the price of looking at ads (and maybe a bit of privacy). Google's search engine gets uncannily good results without going into the advanced search, and still has the advanced search when you need it.

    I'm not a Google insider or anything, but I'd bet their products are dreamed up by brainstorming techies rather than market researchers. Then, the usability experts probably do the UI before graphic designers ever touch it. Marketing probably just markets what is ready for people to see, and of course most marketing for Google is just posting a notice on their sites anyway.

  • by russ1337 ( 938915 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2006 @03:21PM (#16955348)
    I take your point on the bandwidth thing. Should Google suddenly expand it's free wi-fi nation wide AND offer a thin client that connects for free, not only are they taking MSFTs customer but they're undercutting the crap out of the Telco's and ISP's as well.

    Peacing together the thoughts from this thread I can now see that it is not hard for Google to offer the following. Now that we (think we) know what they already have, and what we have heard they've expressed interest in:

    - A super thin client (Google VNC BIOS / Damn Small / similar)
    - A super cheap computer - or free OS that sets you free from Windows!
    - Free Wi-Fi / free connectivity for Google users, therefore no ISP charges (all that dark fiber they own starts to get used, as well as that mother huge data centre)
    - A full range of Web based (thin client) apps, suited to the home user
    - No maintenance for the user - no viruses, mal-ware etc, and very good spam filtering
    - Slightly better privacy than some of the other providers (e.g AOL)


    What it doesn't offer - Local space for your photos, MP3's etc.

    I think this has some merit. It'd certainly shake up the Internet 'industry' in the USA particularly the Telco's and DLS providers - but they've had their chance. (Think back to when the ISP forced your browser to their home page, and required you use their services. They had all the opportunity in the world to get it right, but didn't. I have no sympathy for them)

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