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Videogames Used to Train Terrorists? 265

kalpatin writes "Reuters reports that videogames are being used to train terrorists. The title Counter-Strike is apparently being used as a tool to prepare individuals for a mission: blowing up an oil tanker. The ultimate goal is to 'make the strait of Hormuz impassable, the Jomhouri-ye Eslami daily reported. About two-fifths of globally traded oil passes through the channel. The game illustrates a warning by Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who said in June that oil exports in the Gulf region could be seriously endangered if the United States made a wrong move on Iran.'"
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Videogames Used to Train Terrorists?

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  • WTF? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Turn-X Alphonse ( 789240 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @12:41PM (#16278581) Journal
    So now I'm a terrorist because I can use a mouse and a keyboard?

    Insane bastard writers article
    Posts article
    Slashdot picks it up
    ???
    Profit?

    I swear if someone is training this way they are about as dangerous as your average DnD player with a sharp pencil.
  • by wonkavader ( 605434 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @12:50PM (#16278739)
    Where can we download a copy of their mission? I wanna try it!

    That said, of course, if the US had a copy of their mission, they'd know the plan and how to guard it pretty well.
  • by khasim ( 1285 ) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Monday October 02, 2006 @12:52PM (#16278777)
    All you learn is how to move a mouse/controller.

    I think that we should support any terrorist who wants to use a video game as "training". It will make them that much easier to capture.
  • by RingDev ( 879105 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @12:58PM (#16278897) Homepage Journal
    So true, anyone who thinks that CS will prepare you for accurately shooting a weapon, or pressure under fire, is on crack.

    You want to learn to shoot? Spend 8 hours a day in shooting positions snapping in for a week. You want pressure and anxiety? Get arrested in Tijuana.

    -Rick
  • by ConfusedSelfHating ( 1000521 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @01:14PM (#16279179)
    It's designed to inflame Muslim passion against the United States and the Western world. The Iranian government in particular wants to distract its population from the failing economy. The radical president of Iran was elected to fix economic woes, but he has been sidetracked by international conflict. It's also meant as a threat: bomb Iran and we will cut off your oil supply. Only in the mind of Jack Thompson do video games train people to become professional killers.

    I strongly doubt that the Iranians would not use Iranian special forces to accomplish such a mission and instead use a 15 year old kid who played the game two times. Instead they want the kid to join the Iranian military or just shut up about the poor Iranian economy.
  • Train? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Khuffie ( 818093 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @01:18PM (#16279265) Homepage
    Where in the article does it say the game is used to 'train' terrorists? Where does it mention the word 'terrorists' for that matter?

    It's a friggin' game. A lot of US-made games show conflicts in areas in the Middle East. Oooh. Terrorist training!

  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @01:49PM (#16279841) Journal
    It's also meant as a threat: bomb Iran and we will cut off your oil supply.
    Attacking Iran is quite possibly the worst mistake the U.S. could make.

    Iran wouldn't just bottle up Hormuz, they'd have their extremist buddies throughout the Middle East attacking oil pipelines and refineries. Not to mention they'd start shunting serious money to the insurgents in Iraq & Afghanistan.

    Oil prices would spike, violence would escalate, 2 countries would be further destabilized...

    There's a reason the U.N. is telling America to pipe down and stop making threats.
  • by Aim Here ( 765712 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @02:02PM (#16280143)
    Well that's one way of looking at it. At the risk of godwinning myself, that condemns the US colonists, the French, Yugoslav and Soviet resistance to Nazi occupation and various other good guys to the criminal bin. In any case, resistance of this sort is NOT terrorism - terrorism is force against civilians for political purposes. In fact,the UN, in a general assembly resolution on terrorism, still affirmed the right of peoples to use force to resist racist, colonial and imperialist regimes.

    Personally I'm of the opinion that if you are in someone else's country illegally as a member of an occupying army, then it's right, proper and decent of the local population to take potshots at you for any reason they so desire, but this is heading down the road of offtopic flamebait so I'll stop here.
  • by east coast ( 590680 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @02:05PM (#16280193)
    Why are people in such an uproar about this acting as if Iranians can't play Counter Strike? There's a lot of clueless folks commenting on this...

    As for a potential cultural aspect of this? I'm sure some Islamic groups make an uproar anytime Muslims are shown as "terrorists" in popular western games. It happens on both sides, just because you only see one side of it doesn't mean that the other side is sitting still.

    For God's sake, these are the same people who burn churches and embasseys when a cartoon comes out of their main prophet, do you really think CS missions like Arab Streets simply go by unnoticed in their culture.

    The bottom line is that no one is banning a single thing (that takes care of about 20% of the posts I've read so far), no one is doing anything different today than they have in the past and...

    VIDEO GAMES STILL SUCK FOR LEARNING HOW TO USE FIREARMS!!

    Let's not take this too seriously. There's nothing substantial to see here aside from people who are making this into something that it simply isn't.
  • Counter-Strike?! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Guysmiley777 ( 880063 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @02:19PM (#16280467)
    Soooo, we can expect terrorists to be trying to snipe while doing a crouching bunny-hop? I guess it will at least make them easier to spot...

    I'd think a better "training" tool would be a Rainbow Six/Rogue Spear type game, where the object is to succeed without the enemy getting a shot off.

    This is total FUD BS. Oh noes! Teh terrorists are using verbal speech to perfect their terrorist tactics!!! Must ban verbal speech!!!1!
  • by demondawn ( 840015 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @02:20PM (#16280483) Journal
    I think the actual mod in that situation would be -1, "The joke went over your head".
  • by Dr. Spork ( 142693 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @02:23PM (#16280533)
    Yes, it's well known that Iran wants to close the Strait of Hormuz as a wartime retalliation to a preemptive US attack. I'm quite sure they're training for this now. However, we're talking about a mission of the Iranian national army, not some plain-clothed terrorists. And you can believe me, the government of Iran has much better resources for simulation and training than Counterstrike.

    As for terrorist groups, the tactical mission of closing the Strait of Hormuz is completely out of reach, and even if it weren't, how's Counterstrike going to help them plan? I imagine that sea-borne terrorists would use light boats or diving gear and place improvised mines into the narrow shipping lanes. So how do you propose they use Counterstrike to plan their mission?

    Right, you have no idea. That's because this story, like many others, gets written before anybody thinks about it. This is written simply because it fits the convenient script according to which "They're evil and they're plotting" - which is scare tactic that's supposed to make it easier for us to abandon our freedoms and turn them over to the government.

  • Re:Nope. (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02, 2006 @02:38PM (#16280857)
    If you're in a CS-type firefight, you've already fucked up the mission.

    There, you forgot to properly emphasize the most important insight. Computer games are not good training instruments because they are designed to be interesting, fun, entertaining. They're GAMES. If they actually dealt with hard problems in any respect, nobody would buy and play them.
  • by mmalove ( 919245 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @03:16PM (#16281705)
    I'd daresay we could even "train" for it.

    Please.

    Videogames do not train you how to shoot a gun. They don't teach you how to handle yourself in a lifethreatening situation. They don't help make you run faster.

    They are a good teambuilding exercise, but certainly not a core piece of developing a person into a deadly machine.

    That said, that title/summary is very very misleading. The article should have been - 8 independant game developers create CS like game with more realistic terrorist target. No where in here do I see the Government sponsoring the game, or training terrorists with it.

    And I promise you - if it picks up widespread exposure perfectly patriotic, Republican Americans will pick up this game, and play on the terrorists side. Why? Because inevitably people that suck at shooters always play the good guys.
  • by JFitzsimmons ( 764599 ) <justin@fitzsimmons.ca> on Monday October 02, 2006 @03:31PM (#16281975)
    That game isn't training, it is propaganda.
  • MOD UP (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DanTheLewis ( 742271 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @03:44PM (#16282177) Homepage Journal
    And apparently all Iranians are terrorists now, too? I'm looking at you, racist article summarizer.
  • by homer_ca ( 144738 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @04:17PM (#16282743)
    Or more accurately, recruitment propaganda.
  • by PurPaBOO ( 604533 ) on Monday October 02, 2006 @05:44PM (#16284273) Homepage
    Leave them alone. They're not trying to make a move on you.

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