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OpenOffice.org Newspaper Ad Mockup Released 413

Benjamin Horst writes "The volunteer effort raising $10,000 to place at least two backpage ads in New York City's free daily paper Metro is now entering its second full week. We've collected over 10% of our goal already and continue to find new pledge donors at a healthy pace. Our project's purpose is to help 'cross the chasm' and bring awareness of OpenOffice.org 2.0 to the large number of computer users who stand to benefit from its broad feature set and range of useful capabilities. This is not the first time an open source project has sought a high-profile newspaper ad buy. In fact, our effort was directly inspired by the Firefox New York Times ad. Firefox's famous effort announcing its arrival on the world stage helped push it from about 10 million downloads to its current tally of over 185 million!"
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OpenOffice.org Newspaper Ad Mockup Released

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  • Is it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gerbalblaste ( 882682 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:24PM (#15609978) Journal
    Is it really worth the money?
  • Re:Is it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by c_fel ( 927677 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:27PM (#15609992) Homepage
    I dont think so especially with the poor design they show on their mockup. Personnally I find this ad totally non-informative. More, maybe it's because I'm canadian but I think the "They'd download it" is totally inapropriate. Hell, they'd not download it, they don't know what's a computer.

    My 0.02$.
  • The only way (Score:1, Interesting)

    by fimbulvetr ( 598306 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:28PM (#15609995)
    The only way I would consider donating to the project is if they'd remove Java from the the default setup. It's like those annoying M$ office features that you need to go shut off after a fresh install. I realize it's just a checkbox, but you'd think the free, open source software org. would expend a little more effort to rid their software of slow, proprietary bloatware. I, among numerous other people, have asked for them to remove java, but they will not.

    Other than that, the software is worth a download if abiword doesn't float your boat. Until they actively work on the slowness and non-free portions of their code, I'll stick with abiword and gnumeric.
  • Ugh. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Stormwatch ( 703920 ) <rodrigogirao@POL ... om minus painter> on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:32PM (#15610016) Homepage
    Now that's a fugly ad. Compare it to the famous Firefox NYT ad [suplido.com] - that one was beautifully well-designed, but the mockup for OpenOffice's ad looks like something that any amateur would put together in 15 minutes using MS-Paint and a pic ripped from a school book. Also, it is too in-your-face ideological, it barely mentions the app's qualities!
  • Old Chinese wisdom (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ezratrumpet ( 937206 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:39PM (#15610050) Journal
    Be careful what you wish for.

    The comparison of Open Office to Firefox is apples/oranges. Firefox is at least as accessible to the end user as IE, and is a better choice for many users. Open Office might not be as favorably compared to MS Office as Firefox is compared to IE.

    Despite its flaws, code blot, and so forth - when I reach for my own money, I choose Open Office every time. I imagine that many NY Times readers will reach the same conclusion. Will NY Times do for Open Office what they did for Firefox? Only time will tell.
  • misleading ads (Score:3, Interesting)

    by icepick72 ( 834363 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:40PM (#15610052)
    The ads will says "World's best word process ..." and lists off all the products. These are tactics I expect from Microsoft, not the Open Source world. I know the name of the game is to get the most attention and the most people trying your product (especially at a $10k price tag to advertise) ... that I respect, but OO.Org is definitely not the best software package for those jobs. Don't get me wrong -- it's really good, it's growing, and I use it and love it. The tactics suck, plain and simple. This advertising is no better than we see from any other large corporation. There's obviously enough creativity in the open source community to be able to hit these ads from a multitude of other angles that are more truthful. I think it's unfortuneate and I hope the strategy is altered before these ads go to market, especially because MS Office power users (note: not necessarily day-to-day users) are going to be disappointed and word-of-mouth can be equally detrimental as it is good.
  • Re:Is it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by admactanium ( 670209 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:41PM (#15610057) Homepage
    hate to say it but this is a pretty bad ad. every aspect of it is really lacking and is definitely not worth the money in its current state. creating an ad to run in the wsj isn't something that should be taken lightly. i've done it a number of times (with other people's money of course) and on such a big stage you'd really want to polish any communications to highest degree, especially for an ad effort that will draw press to itself. this ad will probably do more to hurt the cause than help it. it's so unprofessional-looking the average user will be forced to wonder if they couldn't lay out a better page in microsoft word.
  • The Ad (Score:3, Interesting)

    by inexia ( 977449 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:44PM (#15610068)
    The advertisement professes very little of the capabilities of which it can perform, moreso, the fact it provides indpendence from the Office Suites people pay money for usage. The fact the programs in Open Office are quite expansive and offer a very well integrated ability to best the products people "pay" to make their lives easier. I don't feel that the Mt. Rushmore with the ubiquitous yellow "...for idiots" color is beneficial in the developement of which they created. The programs are, and many would argue, easily to use for the purpose they provide. I helped a friend to use it and they were very grateful at the purpose the tools were developed. I like how you are able to take a break and load the spreadsheet; type in "=GAME("StarWars") and take a minute to smile at the few moments of gameplay before toiling again. I think the developers are worthy of Advertising what they have accomplished but wish they did it in a better way than something archaic...IMHO
  • by Cattywampus ( 19657 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @09:52PM (#15610106)
    OpenOffice.org is really jumping the gun here, and I think it's gonna backfire pretty hard.

    I do use OpenOffice on a daily basis, and I love it. However, it's still dog-slow and clunky in some parts, unfinished or unpolished in others, and buggy here and there. You have to get to know its individual quirks. I tried getting my Microsoft Office-loyal boss to use it for a while, and he gave it up pretty fast. He found a number of things that he was used to doing in Excel that he couldn't do in OOo.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the project or the efforts of its contributors, nor can I stand up and say that I've contributed code or money to it. What I am saying is, they haven't reached the level of completeness that Firefox had reached before the Firefox ad came out. Couple that with a typically glacial development and release process, and you'll get hordes of new users checking it out ... and being annoyed by it.

    And, yeah, ditto the "holy cow, that's an ugly ad" comments, too. It looks very amateurish to me.
  • by amake ( 673443 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @10:01PM (#15610151) Homepage
    NeoOffice [neooffice.org] doesn't require X11, works with OS X's native fonts and printing system, supports all OS X's text input methods (Japanese, Chinese, etc.), and is much more attractive and snappy as of 2.0a.
  • suggestion (Score:2, Interesting)

    by RickBauls ( 944510 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @10:31PM (#15610270)
    How about adding something about how OpenOffice is the first app to support the newly standardized Open Document Format? That's seemed to have worked a few times for me.
  • by unoengborg ( 209251 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @10:32PM (#15610274) Homepage

    - I would expect 99% of Linux users are already well aware of OO, and including the word "Linux" might scare a few people off.


    You miss the point. Of course Linux users know about OOo, the point is to tell people that it runs on all sorts of platforms. This incrases the value of the package as a software platform. I hardly think Linux would scare anybody away. Especially not in combination with Solaris, Windows, MacOS-X, FreeBSD.

    BTW, Why are there no seagulls, and why is it yellow instead of blue and white. If you do an add you should use your logo and company colors. That way you strenghten your brand. Whenever sombody sees some one else open OOo they should be able recognize the logos in splash screen from the add.

    Why not mention that ODF is the new iso standard for Office documents, why not mention that you easy can share documents with other popular office suits

    Besides, I think promoting it on MacOS-X is a bit premature. Most Mac users don't have X11 installed. and will not think of it as a real Mac program as things like menus and fonts will look weird to them.

  • Re:Is it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kremvax ( 307366 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @10:33PM (#15610279) Homepage
    No, not if it's Metro.

    That's the free throwaway 10 pager they pass out by the subways. The articles are sub-par, even for a free fishwrap. This won't have an impact on a literate, decision making crowd.

    If they want to foster adoption, take out a quarter pager in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times. People who have the clout to have their companies adopt a new and better office platform read those.

  • Re:Design (Score:4, Interesting)

    Hi Quarters,
    Why? Why should I make a mockup for you? I'm your *customer*
    Ya know, Doc Searls of the Linux Journal once said that "open source is what happens when the demand side supplies itself." That's quite true, IMHO.

    This is a total grassroots effort. Neither Sun Microsystems nor IBM nor Novell or anyone else has "officially" given a dime so far to this OOo ad campaign. YOU own this ad campaign, just like YOU own OOo and every other Free Open Source Software project.

    I'm sure you've heard this joke. Microsoft says, "Where do you want to go today?" Apple says, "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FOSS says, "Are you coming, or what?"

    So, what are you going to do? Just sit back and complain? Or do something positive and help with this ad campaign?
  • Re:Well (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AhtirTano ( 638534 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @11:17PM (#15610451)

    I dont have anything against openoffice.. but comparing openoffice with Microsoft-office.. it still has looong way to go (you are free to disagree).. where as firefox beats Internet-Explorer quite easily.

    Indeed. I convinced my project to use OpenOffice. I did this purely to satisfy my anti-Microsoft ideology. I convinced the others via cost and demonstrating how well it handled Office files. Two months later, 2/3 of the people were complaining about how bad it was, and the rest were admitting that it wasn't so good. 1/3 of the people had installed Office, knowing that the rest of us would still be able to handle their files. The rest of us continue to use openoffice because of ideology, apathy, or laziness.

    Basically, only the spreadsheet has worked to our satisfaction. Text documents are passable, but unpleasant. Presentations are completely inadequate. The migration to Office was mainly triggered by the need for PowerPoint.

    I still tell people about OpenOffice, and that we (mostly) use it for our project. But I only recommend it to people who have to do simple things, like short reports or billable hours.

    On the other hand, all of us independently decided to use Firefox. And nobody except me realized that there were all those extensions and themes---they chose it because it just worked better "out of the box".

  • Re:Is it (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Moqui ( 940533 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @11:21PM (#15610469)
    I know a few of us are working on alternative proposals for the team. They gave it the good freshman try, but there are plenty of designers that use the software that will step up to the challenge.

    First to go -- Yellow background and floating picture... :)
  • Re:Is it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LouisZepher ( 643097 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @11:32PM (#15610507)
    Indeed. How about this? A chalkboard with two basic addition-style columns. In the first, list what MS Office can do, in the other, list in similar order everything OpenOffice does. At the bottom of each column, where the answer would go in a problem, list the price ($600 vs Free). Then, in an area outside the frame of the chalkboard, simply say "Do the math" or something...
  • by kopo ( 890010 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @11:38PM (#15610523)
    From the ad auction page:
    Roughly 450,000 people read [Metro], and they represent a young, affluent and savvy demographic.

    Have you ever seen Metro? It's a cheap (quality-wise; we know it's free), informationless tabloid that's handed out (and usually refused) in the New York City subways. It does not represent a "young, affluent, and savvy demographic" -- it represents people slightly above those who read the supermarket tabloids, and who would like not know how to download and install OOo.

    As for calling the proposed advertisement as bad as a "high school design project" -- that's a bit of insult to high school design projects. I was creating more professional stuff back in 9th grade.
  • Re:"Free" is bad (Score:3, Interesting)

    by whitehatlurker ( 867714 ) on Tuesday June 27, 2006 @12:54AM (#15610797) Journal
    They do say "Free software for a free people" and "independence" - both implying (to me anyway) that this is an appeal to the "spirit of liberty" that one assumes to be prevalent in NYC. (Seeing that they've got that nifty French statue and all.)
  • Re:Design (Score:3, Interesting)

    by NutscrapeSucks ( 446616 ) on Tuesday June 27, 2006 @01:49AM (#15610936)
    If the target market is "people who can't afford Microsoft Office", then perhaps a cheesy in-your-face ad is the most appropriate.

    When you see those ugly, poorly designed ads for used cars, home financing, rodent removal, and so on, the cheeze is purely intentional because the target market tends to avoid marketing that looks like its too classy for them. Just because the ad is ugly doesn't mean it will be ineffective.
  • My own mockup ads (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Stormwatch ( 703920 ) <rodrigogirao@POL ... om minus painter> on Tuesday June 27, 2006 @03:08AM (#15611117) Homepage
    My own OpenOffice.org mockup ads [photobucket.com], see if you like them.
  • Re:What's missing? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 ) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Tuesday June 27, 2006 @04:17AM (#15611243) Homepage
    Just last week a couple of friends (non technical people) mentioned to me that they'd switched to OO after powerpoint let them down badly - apparently Powerpoint runs presentations at different speeds on different machines and requires the same fonts installed so when they took their expensively produced presentation and decided to use it for an important meeting on a different machine it looked like complete crap and ran at 10* normal speed (it was synchronised with a soundtrack so needed to be *exactly* the same speed).

    Importing to OO fixed it, but messed up the colours slightly. It was still usable though.

    I heard about it when they started cursing Microsoft... These aren't the people I would normally have expected to know what OO was and definately not the standard slashdot types.. but they all (well, a group of 5 of them) switched to it because Office let them down at a crucial moment.

    Of course this is a place where backward compatibility doesn't really matter - documents are produced for the moment, so ODF is fine.
  • Re:Is it (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Ginger Unicorn ( 952287 ) on Tuesday June 27, 2006 @07:38AM (#15611753)
    How about an advert that shows someone's company being fined out of existance, or their home being raided, then says "Can't afford to pay for Microsoft Office? If Microsoft catch you with an unlicensed copy, it won't matter what you can afford."

    Then have some Ubuntu-esque happy smiling people handing each other CDs or some schmaltzy crap like that, and say "OpenOffice.org will never cost a penny, and is free to download and share with whoever you want"

    Then "Have a copy on us". then a download URL or whatever.

  • Re:Is it (Score:4, Interesting)

    by KronicD ( 568558 ) on Tuesday June 27, 2006 @07:53AM (#15611794) Homepage
    Personally I feel that it would be better if they spent their money on a series of smaller ads run in a variety of newspapers (hopefully better than Metro). I'm all for publicity of OSS, but this seems sub-optimal.
  • Re:My own mockup ads (Score:3, Interesting)

    by glsunder ( 241984 ) on Tuesday June 27, 2006 @12:59PM (#15613671)
    They look nice design-wise, but they're too wordy. Most people would never bother reading it. I don't do advertising, but I'd say you have 1/2 a second to catch people's eye, and assuming you do, the ad needs to convey its meaning in 5 - 10 seconds. There's a lot of noise out there for people to filter out, and an ad with a lot of words is just more noise.

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