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Self-Censoring 'Chinese Wikipedia' Launched 429

Billosaur writes "New Scientist is reporting that Baidu, China's largest search engine, is launching its own version of Wikipedia. The site, Baidupedia, differs from the more well-known Wikipedia in that it is self-censoring." From the article: "Unlike Wikipedia, which allows anyone to create and modify entries, Baidupedia is censored by the company to avoid offending the Chinese government. Entries to the encyclopaedia must first pass a filtering system before being added to the site. Baidupedia bars users from including any 'malicious evaluation of the current national system', any 'attack on government institutions', and prevents the 'promotion of a dispirited or negative view of life'."
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Self-Censoring 'Chinese Wikipedia' Launched

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  • by FhnuZoag ( 875558 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @04:40PM (#15312208)
    The irony is that this is fairly close to what many western critics of Wikipedia propose. 'Moral responsibility', stronger 'editorial controls', protection of living people, 'accountability', anyone?

    I guess this post is kinda flamebaity, but well...
  • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @04:40PM (#15312218)
    I'm afraid we consider that a negative and dispirited post.

    It's the wall for you. Smile. Your children will be with you. Only one of them will have a real bullet.

    KFG
  • by Golias ( 176380 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @04:44PM (#15312262)
    So then are you taking the position that the high esteem for free speech is *not* a value that should be universally shared?

    That it's not okay to speak out against the values of the culture you are in?

    Somebody mod this guy down!!!

    Er... wait...
  • Re:evil (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Internet Ronin ( 919897 ) <<internet.ronin> <at> <gmail.com>> on Thursday May 11, 2006 @04:51PM (#15312348)
    Riiiiiight... Would you like to buy a bridge from me? Great deal, supplies are limited...

    Seriously, you can't honestly believe that the reason that this is being censored is in no way related to China's policy regarding information dissemination? Granted the company is choosing to go along with it, a morally repugnant stance IMHO, but the Chinese government IS responsible.
  • by RingDev ( 879105 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @04:51PM (#15312352) Homepage Journal
    Scarey enough, that was going to be my next question. If you attempt to submit an article, and it gets edited, does your user account and IP go onto a government watch list?

    -Rick
  • by bill_kress ( 99356 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @04:55PM (#15312407)
    Ch1na sux0rs. You can never fi1t3r me, i r 2 l337 4 u!

    Side note: This brings up an interesting discussion a chineese friend and I had the other day.

    There are some things in America that simply won't work in China. One, he claims, is all you can eat restaraunts. People will just move in until you kick them out. When they have a salad bar, people will build 3 foot high salads (Search for it on Flicker--it's a pretty amazing sight to behold).

    This also came up when we were discussing selling a house. He was wondering why we clean the house when we leave. We don't have to clean the carpets or drapes, but you just do--often spending quite a bit of money that we don't have to.

    Apparently there are many other examples, all coming down to, he claims and I paraphrase: Chineese people are much less likely to look out for the "Common Good" unless forced to by law.

    With this concept in mind, I kind of wonder if open source concepts (including the contents of the wikipedia) will work in China, or will it all be like our whitehouse/wallmart where everyone is only adding entries when it helps themselves personally.

    ps: I wouldn't even consider that this might be a racial issue, it's obviously cultural (if it existis at all--if not please correct me!)
  • Cultural relativism [wikipedia.org] is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities make sense in terms of his or her own culture. Some followers of this principle are the Khmer Rouge [wikipedia.org], the Taliban [wikipedia.org], and practitioners of Sati [wikipedia.org].

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights [wikipedia.org] is a declaration adopted by the United Nations General Assembly, outlining the organization's view on the human rights guaranteed to all people. Chief amount these rights are:

    * The right to life, liberty and security of person.

    * The right to an education.

    * The right to participate fully in cultural life.

    * Freedom from torture or cruel, inhumane treatment or punishment.

    * Freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

    * Freedom of expression and opinion.

    It is interesting to note that China, being a permanent Security Council [wikipedia.org], should feel obliged to follow these declarations, but does not.
  • by slippyblade ( 962288 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @05:17PM (#15312665) Homepage
    Except that the "Western Wiki" as you put it was able to be modified by West, East, North, South or even outer space green men that had internet access. So I fail to see how it only presented the western view. Frankly, I'd love to see this Self Censoring wiki smashed repeatedly by whatever hacking forces are within China.
  • by DougLorenz ( 964249 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @05:36PM (#15312886)
    You are correct in part, but at the same time we find many of the people who claim to support Marxism, socialism and communism also go around and profess their committment to tyrants and killers.

    We do have to recognize that in spite of the fact that there have been a tremendous number of governments that have arisen which claim to have primary roots in Marxism, there has never been a single one of these governments which has not become horribly oppressive. It really tends to suggest that Marxism is not a valid model for creating utopia.

    But beyond all that, it is clearly obvious that any government that either declares itself to have total power over it's subjects such as the old Soviet Union or China, or governments which have held democratic elections to give themselves total control over their citizens, such as Nazi Germany, will always devolve into oppresssion. It isn't the roots of the totalitarian government, it's the totalitarian government itself.

    And Marxism does require a totalitarian government to be established. Even Marx accepted that.

  • by eklitzke ( 873155 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @05:57PM (#15313059) Homepage
    My girlfriend is Chinese, and it's really fun to talk to her family about the cultural differences between China and America. For example, they were amazed that in American parks there are ducks and geese that can just walk around, and even go up to people for food. Apparently in China there would be a problem with people trying to catch the ducks, so that in the few places where you can see ducks out in public they stay the hell away from people. The same goes for flowers, which apparently aren't normally grown in parks because people would just pick them all!

    This isn't to suggest that in China there isn't a value for the public good. Quite the contrary. Just a few years ago if you went to the Temple of Heaven the big steps that lead into the temple weren't fenced off at all. Specifically, there is a huge relief carving that goes up through the center of the stairs, and people had enough respect and common sense not to abuse that privelege by walking on it, or vandalizing it. All through Beijing there are landmarks that weren't protected at all from the people, because they didn't need to be. Of course, a lot of this has changed recently, and in the past few years some of these things have started to be fenced off.

    On the Linux note, her parents view Linux with a kind of mild amusement. They find it somewhat humorous that people would spend so much time and effort to write free software, and think I'm kind of crazy for choosing a career with Linux.
  • Vietnamese Wikipedia (Score:3, Interesting)

    by D H NG ( 779318 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @06:39PM (#15313366)
    I'm currently a bureaucrat at the Vietnamese Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]. In the first 2 years it had been building up a user base, currently with around 9000 registered users and 7500 articles. It had so far managed to escape government filtering and was even featured in some popular Vietnamese media and endorsed by the official government encyclopedia [bachkhoatoanthu.gov.vn]. But I'm not sure about its future, with a spate of new sensitive articles this week that was generating much more discussion than content. There had been previous attempts at making "made-in-Vietnam" free encyclopedias, but none are as successful as this one.
  • by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @06:50PM (#15313444)
    this thought just ocurred to me.

    mostly, the portscan and connect attempts (break-ins) are from .cn (they surely are the lion's share of the hack attempts at my site).

    I'm perfectly happy to ban all of .cn from my home (dsl based) site. I usually do /16 blocks on their netblocks, as I discover them, anyway.

    but how about this for a pro-active idea? put photos of tienenmen sq. (the REAL photos - you know what I mean) on your home page. that, alone, should get your IP blocked by the chinese gov.

    end result: you've just installed a spamblock closer to the source than you could ever accomplish without their 'help'.

    I think I'm going to try this. (what is there to lose?)

  • by TheNoxx ( 412624 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @06:56PM (#15313484) Homepage Journal
    Iraq is a relatively small country with little military power compared to its access to particularly desireable resources.

    China is a 1,300,000,000-strong giant with immense military capability. Now, I would have gladly fought for an actual, worthy ideal, say, liberating China from an oppressive government; however, those that lead my government are not so eager to take on someone their own size, or bigger. Suddenly, logic and reasoning re-enter the equation when confronted with an adversary so behemoth, the logic and reasoning that say war is actually supposed to be a last resort, and diplomacy is a much better idea.
  • by Tandoori Haggis ( 662404 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @07:39PM (#15313741)
    Back in the 1980's if you built a crystal set (basic diode detector radio receiver) Radio Moscow tended to come in loud and clear. They had a major presence on the Shortwave bands. Nowadays it seems like whatever shortwave broadcast band you tune around, there is an English broadcast from Radio China International. They seem to have invested really heavily in this propaganda tool, as I can't recall anything like it since Radio Moscow of the original cold war. Although it doesn't seem quite as blatant as Radio Moscow or Radio Albania, if the USA or UK are in the media due to some potential controversy, RCI seems to enjoy making the most of it.
    So, China now manufacture pretty much everything we buy or own due to outsourcing.
    Has anybody else noticed what's happening? Where are we heading?

    "The protests of 1989 resulted in the killing of Chinese protestors in the streets to the west of the square and adjacent areas. Some sources (Graham Earnshaw and Columbia Journal Review) claim that none died on the square itself. Opponents of the Chinese democracy movement object to the Western Media's labelling of the Tiananmen Massacre, the event known to the Chinese simply as the June Fourth or June Fourth movement, and June Fourth Incident. However, Chinese expatriates that escaped the tyranny after the killing said that the numbers ended up being in the thousands. This was a combination of the hundreds killed on the spot and the miniature purge that followed. These stories are confirmed by intelligence in the country as well. [edit]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianamen_square [wikipedia.org]
  • Re:evil (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mrpeebles ( 853978 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @10:14PM (#15314648)
    It's not too terribly different from the system of censorship that we use in the US, with the FCC.

    Isn't that analogous to saying jumping is not too terribly different from flying because your feet are off the ground in both cases? My guess is that you know much more about the FCC than I do, but for example it doesn't keep media from criticizing the government. In general, it can't keep the media from discussing any particular idea, although I suppose it can limit the way that the media can discuss the idea (for example, by not allowing curse words in the discussion.) This seems to me quite different what what is discussed in this article.
  • by nedlowe ( 973441 ) on Friday May 12, 2006 @02:12AM (#15315681)
    A: Why do you have the garlic around your neck?
    B: To keep the vampires away.
    A: But there are no vampires...
    B: Then it must be working!

    The vast majority of 'normal' Chinese I know (not politically active) have no idea how much control there is.

    When I mention a couple of things, they put it down to the Western conspiracy they were taught about in school - and ask the question, "How do you know that isn't your propoganda speaking".
  • by Brushen ( 938011 ) on Friday May 12, 2006 @10:02AM (#15317018)
    Microsoft's Encarta has been repeatedly attacked by the Encyclopedia Britannica for making multiple editions with different content for different nations --- a separate one for mainland China and another one for everyone else, for example.

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