Dell Protests 'Not Wintel's Lapdog' 449
An anonymous reader writes "C|Net is reporting on a protestation by Dell's CTO, Kevin Kettler, who says quite loudly that they are not Microsoft and Intel's puppet." From the article: "Essentially, Kettler argued, Dell was responsible for selecting, if not necessarily developing, many of the technologies in today's desktop computers and servers. Among standards for which he said Dell deserves credit are 802.11 wireless networking, PCI Express communications technology and 64-bit extensions to Intel's x86 line of processors."
64-bit extensions??? (Score:3, Informative)
Dell also had nothing to do with IA64, considering Intel's primary partner for that was Dell's competitor HP.
802.11b???? (Score:5, Informative)
In fact, the ibooks were delayed because they had yet to pass FCC testing when they were announced at MacWorld.
Re:64-bit extensions??? (Score:4, Informative)
Dell Strategist: "This AMD 64 bit thing is really being marketed well, and demand for 64 bits is increasing. You'd better have 64 bit soon or we'll be forced to start selling AMD machines."
Intel Strategist: "Yikes, ok, ok, we'll get R&D on ripping off*cough* working on a similar solution"
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:4, Informative)
That misquote just gets funnier and funnier over the decades, doesn't it?
(He helped in the creation of the Internet the only way that politicians ever do anything: he voted to fund it. And he never claimed to have done anything more than that.)
Re:Never seen... (Score:4, Informative)
You didn't look very hard. My Precision 470 came with XP64:
Important: Not all current applications and/or peripherals are compatible with 64-bit and may not function properly. Be sure to verify compatibility with all application and peripheral vendors prior to purchasing a Dell Precision platform with a 64-bit operating system.
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2 with media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2 without media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional x64 w/ media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional x64 w/o media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 No Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 with Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 64bit No Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 64bit with Media
Anybody rtfa? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, he did say it, and he later acknowledged that he should have phrased it differently. He obviously meant he supported some of those technology initiatives and grants way back when.
I'm sure as hell no Gore apologist (look at my signature), and I think Gore is practically certifiable these days... but at the time, while I didn't vote for him, I got very annoyed when Bush supporters who brought up this subject. Of all the valid things to debate, people had to keep repeating this crap.
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:1, Informative)
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:WTF? (Score:5, Informative)
So either they want a fight, or they want to save face.
But you are 100% correct: anything Intel invent's AMD can use, and vice versa. They only caveat is that they are not required to supply implementation details, just patented methods.
Very strange bedfellows.
Re:www.dell.ca (Score:3, Informative)
Re:802.11b???? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:4, Informative)
Great-grandparent: "Gore invented the Internet."
Grandparent: "misquote"
Parent: "took the initiative in creating the Internet"
took the initiative in creating != invented
It's a misquote. Was it well worded? No. But the misquote (which... it is) makes it seem worse than it was.
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:1, Informative)
Internet != NSFnet (Score:2, Informative)
Unfortunately, even that is much more than he did. The Internet began with ARPAnet in 1969! Al Gore helped secure funding for NSFnet. Now NSFnet was an important stage in the evolution of the Internet but voting to fund NSFnet does not equate to inventing the Internet, even if funding == invention.
Why these Dell protests are good (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:4, Informative)
Which does seem to clarify that he was describing how his relationship to 'net compares to other politicians'. And it's not terribly absurd to claim that being a federal legislator who was advocating further development of the Internet in the 1980s does constitute being ahead of the game--for that particular game. I really don't think he was trying to convince anyone that he was Vint Cerf.
Some bloke with far more time available than I have seems to have gone into this [firstmonday.org] in exhaustive detail, and in a way that doesn't appear to be especially biased.
Re:Ok, it's easy to be cynical about this... (Score:4, Informative)
Apple. [apple.com]
I hear they run Windows pretty fast, and come with some other software you can try.
Re:Uhhhh.... (Score:5, Informative)
GORE: We need to look ahead, to protect it when it needs protecting, but not get in the way when it needs to walk alone. Like those wireless operators should have done in the North Atlantic, we should be alert to where the collisions could take place, and we shouldn't hesitate to chart a new course.
GORE: If we do that, then much more than the telecommunications industry will grow strong. This country will grow strong and humankind will as well.
GORE:Thank you very much. (Applause.)
Q: If you're talking about totally deregulating the information highway what steps do you think should be taken to ensure that the information superhighway is not captured by a few megacorporations for anticompetitive purposes?
GORE: One of the policymakers who has been meeting with us on a regular basis for the last several months is Ann Bingaman, the Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust, and our administration believes very strongly, as I said in part of this presentation, that just as suffocating overregulation can stifle competition and innovation, so the abandonment of antitrust principles and the surrender to private conglomerations of monopoly power can have the same effect.
-Al Gore Promoting the NIIA (internet deregulation), 1993
Re:Internet != NSFnet (Score:5, Informative)
Internet != ARPAnet
And did you read the GP? Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. That's just a strawman attack that Gore critics like to bring up continuously. Al Gore stated that he took the initiative in creating the internet, as he was the first politician to recognize the importance of the internet and did in fact promote and support its development from his seat in Congress in the early days of the net. Even Vinton Cerf [wikipedia.org] and Robert Kahn [wikipedia.org] have recognized his initiative as having been vital to the success of the internet [interesting-people.org] as it exists today.
From Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn's joint statement:
So get a clue [salon.com] before you start discrediting other people and perpetuating gross exagerations of their statements.
Re:802.11b???? (Score:3, Informative)
The connector you are talking about is called a DIN-connector, where DIN means "Deutsche IndustrieNorm" (German industry standard):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector [wikipedia.org]It was also used for MIDI, tape recorders and lots more.