Kazaa Loses P2P Crown To Edonkey

I(rispee_I(reme writes "According to the network population stats at slyck, FastTrack (home of Kazaa) is no longer the most populous filesharing network. Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins. (Most edonkey users connect with emule, a gpl client for Windows)."

The reason?

[Anonymous Coward]

At least in my personnal circle of friends, the reason why Kazaa usage stopped was the effective killing off of Kazaa lite.

spyware?

[jnapalm]

Most P2P clients I've found nowadays are either spyware infested and bloated with so many unnecessary features that they consume more memory than I'm willing to give up.

That, or there aren't enough users on the network to make it worthwhile.

Anyone know of a decent alternative?

Bit Torrent is a Network?

[nurb432]

"Those looking for movies and images, their choice have become the growing BitTorrent or eDonkey2000 networks."

Idiots.

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock.

[js3]

edonkey has an interesting race to the bottom characteristic. If you give it all your bandwidth you will end up sharing 5-10 times the size you originally intended to download. So any emule user with a clue will cap his upload bandwidth, which makes everyone else slow. Edonkey may be the place to find stuff, but it's not the place to download large binaries.

That sucks.

[acceleriter]

Now all the Overpeers, Cyveillances, BayTSPs, and other black-helicopter traitor-to-freedom companies will be out in force on eMule.

Edonkey vs. other p2p networks

[humberthumbert]

The reason I use ed2k (through the emule client) is that the community is by and large really into file-sharing, NOT file-trading. Hence, you can readily find years-old material for download. In pristine uncorrupted condition no less.

P2P networks like Bittorrent and DC++ have an air
of "grab all you can and go offline, fuck the other guy" attitude that I really detest. Not to mention that they're only really good for brand new releases...

For every P2P network, turn, turn, turn

[Mulletproof]

"Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins.

And it too will eventially become the focus of the RIAA, whereupon it will lose users and be knocked off of its top spot in favor of the new P2P network of the moment. maybe the KazPlat network. Who knows, but it's inevitable.

A main point...

[theamarand]

...and the main goody that you can extract from all of this is that P2P is a genie out of the bottle.

Regardless of "who's on top" or "who's bigger than whom," the fact that there are multiple, competing and viable peer-to-peer sharing platforms, should give most open-minded people a good, winning feeling. Fair use is a great thing, and some folks resent paying for four or five different forms (records, eight-track, cassette tapes, CDs, Music DVDs, digital MP3s) of the same exact song, piece of software or movie; simply because the old medium type was retired, or because the old media reached the end of its short useful lifespan. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a song, and have the right to listen to that song...forever?

Yet, I digress. The media companies have, for too long now, held the consumers and the actual artists responsible for the art-form in question, hostage. The artists aren't losing the vast majority of their profits on P2P...it's the large corporations that take the lion's share of the end product that ends up with losses. I say turn all media digital, and have us pay for only the individual songs, videos, or whatever piece of work you actually like, and get rid of the rest of the album filler...and associated over-head cost. I'll bet people would like that a lot...and I think that P2P integrated with a useable, small cash payment system, is going to really hurt the greedy media companies, while helping bring more of the end profit directly to the artists responsible.

Re:Kazaa Lite isn't dead

[jeef_zula]

The fact that the kazaa lite download links have edonkey mirrors only validates this articles claim.

Re:Too bad both networks are junk

[evilmuffins]

My 1337 distro access is even better! Actully, I just grab stuff off news groups, and I agree that it is much much better then p2p. But remember, we're all just leechers, it's really the people who are in the true warez scene who have the best access, and are really the only ones who have any right to make fun of leeches..

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock.

[real_smiff]

you can start downloading with nothing shared and as soon as you complete one chunk your download becomes an upload to anyone else who needs that piece - in fact because you're only uploading that one file you'll get a better rating with the people who have it than you would if you were sharing many files, and this your download will complete faster.

the credit system has now been secured, you can see the docs for details. hash stealing (credit theft) was a problem for a while, no longer.

eMule is not an elitist network at all, it's the opposite. unlike DC++ etc. it requires very little user knowledge or share material. it does however take some time in some cases. it is fine for people who only want one album every other week. start it up, get your album, quit the app. in the time between the download finishing and you noticiing, on average you've done your bit for the network.

this is all based on real experience using eMule. you should try it, it's got so popular for a reason.

Re:Edonkey vs. other p2p networks

[line.at.infinity]

In any network, the net total uploaded is always equivalent to the net total downloaded, so all P2P networks has the same leech to share ratio (1 to 1). Bittorrent isn't very good for file diversity though, IMHO. It's easier to share 40 gigs of esoteric files on traditional P2P networks, while for BitTorrent you'd need to run 400 simultaneous connections to servers running trackers just to make visible to the world four hundred 100 MB files that have trackers.

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock.

[eatmadust]

No. The right place to download 800MB+ Files is BitTorrent.
you just don't get high enough speeds on eDonkey.

Re:Edonkey vs. other p2p networks

[Wildclaw]

This is the same reason I avoid emule as much as I can.

The community, has this insane fear of trading that has influenced the developers to such a degree that the current clients are extremly inefficent at dividing resources.

The credit system is pretty much a joke which is supposed to get those with higher upload bandwidth to share more but due to its inefficency that is not what happens.

The best strategy is to cap your upload bandwidth at a pretty low level and queue up as many files as you can.

Once in a while I check in on the official emule forums to see if there is any change and every time I see idealistic socialistic/communistic thinking clouding the thinking of the developers.

Socialistic/Communistic thinking is quite decent for political descisions but it very much sucks when it comes to economy and distribution of scarce resources in which it is much better to rely on free market theory.

Unfortunally most attempts to increase the efficency of the emule protocol, like direct payback to those who upload more to you or ignoring those who don't upload anything while downloading lots, is rejected and sometimes even subject to black listing in the community.

Once in a while I still use emule because it does have a large selection of old material, but I try to avoid it due to the fact that it is way to easy to leech on it.

Mods that prevent leeching are hard to find because they are banned from the emule message boards because they are too efficent at what they do so they can be used for leeching. (Somewhat ironic actually)