FBI on the Windows Source Code Theft 504
Chris Gondek writes "There are various articles about the Stolen Windows Source Code, but today it is confirmed that an FBI task force hunted for a cyber-criminal who posted on the internet source code for Windows which says 'I can confirm that the Northwest Cybercrime Task Force was investigating, FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said. The posted program is part of the source codes, or blueprints, for Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4.0, according to the company.' "
"In jeopardy is Microsoft's near-monopoly" (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, It's very lucky that there is absolutely no way to obtain any MS source code! [microsoft.com]
Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:0, Insightful)
I wonder, if as a bi-product of releasing the Microsoft code, that hackers will write more viruses and worms after seeing the source code, if I can sue the person who let out the code because it will increase the time I have to spend securing my system.
I hope the FBI finds and nails this guy. Considering the scale of his/her actions, they should lock up the SOB for a long time. This person should be the person they make an example out of.
Illegal to download? (Score:5, Insightful)
MIcrosoft is ultradevious (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)
I haven't had many problems with it.
Maybe you are over reacting.
Not that I condone this
Re:Scapegoat (Score:1, Insightful)
Seriously, they can catch you. If you hack, you have the tools on your laptop or computer. Maybe you have a CD filled with them. That is all it will take to nail you. A few angry words told to people about how you dislike company X, an attack on company X, and you having tools that could complete the attack.
But it is not that bad. Just stop doing anything illegal. You have no right to mess with someone elses system.
And I would tell you this. If you happen to park your car and try hacking on my ststem, I have a nice honey pot waiting. It is like a guy in a house with a gun waiting for a burglar. Come on, come and get it. It's dinner time.
Re:Blueprints? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Blueprints? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I don't know if this is true (Score:1, Insightful)
Where is the link to that statement?
does microsoft.doj.gov gave him a warning? my ass..
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:4, Insightful)
This whole affair is going to have one effect similar to that of major virus upgrades: it will scare the recalcitrant to upgrade.
Deliberately falling short of carrying that analysis any further...
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:2, Insightful)
If you want to be secure, you shouldn't be using software whose security depends solely on the secrecy of the source. it's know as "security through obscurity" and almost everyone agrees it doesn't work.
Even microsoft won't be so stupid as to rely on it.
Re:Illegal to download? (Score:5, Insightful)
Similarly, if you hold a barbeque and your kids sneak off with some beers, get drunk and do something stupid then you're still liable for any laws that you may have unknowingly broken (providing alcohol to a minor, etc).
Just because you didn't know you were breaking the law that doesn't excuse you from any possible punishment. Look at what happened to the grandfather who got hit with a hammer by RIAA because his grandkids used his PC to download copyrighted material over P2P networks without his knowledge. He had no clue what the kids were up to but he was still held liable for their actions.
If your theoretical "cookingrecipes.zip" defence was held up in court I'd be surprised. It would be carte blanche for copyright infringers, paedophiles and anyone else intent on evading the law to disguise their activity by giving the files they were swapping innocent file names and then claiming that they "didn't know" what the files really contained.
Law enforcment (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not so much fuss about Debian or SF break ins (Score:3, Insightful)
The more money you have, the more of an American you really are in the eyes of the government.
Re:Illegal to download? (Score:4, Insightful)
Look at what happened to the grandfather who got hit with a hammer by RIAA because his grandkids used his PC to download copyrighted material over P2P networks without his knowledge. He had no clue what the kids were up to but he was still held liable for their actions.
And so you think it's right? Given the many many ways of disguising the true nature of files, images, URLs etc before they are downloaded, how can anyone in their right mind think that any computer user who had no intention to break the law could be held liable for grabbing something they didn't know was illegal to have.
Your analogies are bad analogies. Find some new ones.
Who'd want that old junk anyway? (Score:3, Insightful)
On the flip side, I've already given up on Microsoft, and want nothing further to do with them or their products, so somebody leaking their code is almost a bad joke to me at this point. The most likely conspiracy to come out of this is that the next version of the Linux kernal will have a cloud of accusations that it derived some of its functionality from Windows 2000 source. (Oh please...)
I guess the ugly part is dealing with the feds out there who are intent on taking names and kicking ass... After all, it's a national emergency! Microsoft's code has been leaked!
Feh.
Many of us have woke up to the fact that you don't need Windows to accomplish your goals on a computer. While the rest of of us are trying to actually get something done with our computers (instead of updating them every 15 minutes), Microsoft is suddenly crying out "Thieves!". Just how does MS come up with these horribly written plot devices?
The Immaculate Transmission (Score:4, Insightful)
Interesting. From this, one must conclude that either (a) Microsoft legitimately releases the code to others outside these two programs, but we don't know about it; (b) Microsoft has absolutely no idea how the source was released but is lying through its teeth claiming there was no security breach nor an unauthorized release from its shared source programs; (c) Microsoft leaked the code itself for nefarious purposes (e.g. destroying ReactOS).
We report, you decide.
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)
You're quite right - but there is a difference...
Let's use the home metaphor - you live in a house in a neighbourhood built by "MS Homes". They are nice, comfortable homes, but the security system involves closing your front door with a plastic latch. Because the latch doesn't LOOK like plastic, everyone feels secure. Burglars, however, suspect there is an easy way in to the homes.
Now, if none of the good guys examine the security and say, "Hey, maybe these latches should be steel", then eventually a bad guy will figure it out and your home is open for business.
In such an event, if a good guy opened *a* front door on a *single* MS home, then posted a note in the local newpaper that maybe latches should be upgraded, I'd sleep with a shotgun until my latch was replaced. In the end, I'd have a safer home and know it. Without the good guy, I don't have a safe home, AND I'm unaware until a break in.
Tools alone dont assume guilt (Score:3, Insightful)
Its your JOB to make sure that you arent vunerable..
But, you have to convince the jury of that....
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:2, Insightful)
That particular case would hold up (Score:3, Insightful)
( this is assuming her recipes were not restricted from re-distribution of course ).
It would be the same case if you went to a legit store ( like a pawn shop or antique store )..
and bought an item in good faith that anyone would assume was legally theirs to sell...that later turned out to be stolen
Sure, they take away the object, but you dont get arrested...
This isnt a matter of 'ignorance' of the law, its a matter of intent beyond your control.
That said, if you *kept* said mis-labeld file, then of course its minor to prove intent...
Re:Piracy != lost profit (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)
Open Source code is available for everyone. Only criminals can use the Windows code.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation. (Score:1, Insightful)
Toon Moene.
Re:Goto's goto's goto's (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not normally pro Microsoft (Score:2, Insightful)
The more problems MS installations have, the higher the pressure for migrating away. The more systems migrated away, the higher heterogenity of the Net ecosystem, the higher overall resistance to platform-specific threats - and the higher pressure for compatible, standardized data-exchange formats; proprietary ones could then become a disadvantage instead of a lock-in advantage.
The computer world needs to be pushed into different dynamic-equilibrium mode. The sooner, the better.
Re:Illegal to download? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Illegal to download? (Score:2, Insightful)
So when you did download a file that was named as something else you cannot be held responsible. On the other hand if you hold on to the file after you realize that it is the windows source you will be in trouble.
Think about it as a virus.... If you accidentally clicked on a virus, you are not going to get into any trouble. If it was intentional you will.
Re:Piracy != lost profit (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:"In jeopardy is Microsoft's near-monopoly" (Score:3, Insightful)
Water, high fructose corn syrup and/or sucrose, caramel color, phosphoric acid, natural flavors, caffeine.
Uh uh the fuzz is after me.
Re:Torrent for W2K and NT4 source (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Blueprints? (Score:3, Insightful)
These things are relative:
1) flow chart:source code
2) source code:machine code
3) machine code:execution
4) building requirements spec:blueprint
5) blueprint:house
6) house:daily life
What I find neat is that the relation is transitive, i.e.
1+2) flow chart:machine code
1+2+3) flow chart:execution
2+3) source code:execution
4+5) building requirements spec:house
Re:Scapegoat (Score:3, Insightful)
Why did they take the risk? Because it's not a risk. It turns out they've learned the lessons from opensource, and now they embrace it, though in a familiar embrace, extend and smother way.
Re:MIcrosoft is ultradevious (Score:3, Insightful)
there is no half of globalization (Score:5, Insightful)
I said it before and I'll say it again: the globalization MUST be improved. If they want investigations across the borders - they have to remove the borders. That include the freedom to trade across the borders, the freedom to hire across the borders, the freedom to ELECT across the borders, the freedom to immigrate across the borders.
You don't wanna give that freedom to people? Enjoy your useless attempts to sue DVD hackers in Norvey and find IP addresses in Russia.
Remember: there is no such thing as "half of globalization". It either exists givig equal opportunities and freedoms to everyone, or it doesn't exist at all.
Re:Torrent for W2K and NT4 source (Score:1, Insightful)
Windows AQ (Score:2, Insightful)
Why?
Let's be prepared now for Windows AQ (Al Qaeda), right from Redmond and a terrorist near you. Given enough code, spyes, terrorists or even corporations (or that jealous cousin you know), can remake core components in Windows and redistribute in order to sniff, crack or destroy whatever they want in Windows computers. This is a far bigger menace than many so toutted terror threats.
How will you differenciate a legitimate Windows version from a cracked one, pressed in legitimate looking CDs? No way.
Also, component substitution can come in any product that simply substitutes critical Windows files. It will perform the normal functions with whichever 'bonus' the cracker wants.
On the other side, on FS, diff is your friend if you're really paranoid about what's running on your computer.
Re:Simple question (Score:2, Insightful)
Don't even think about it. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Illegal to download? (Score:2, Insightful)
Speaks volumes about our society (Score:4, Insightful)
Granted, we have so much riding on Windows that it being compromised is akin to loosing a national secret, but who is to blame here? If we lean so much on MS's code being secure, why are people storing data on there that could be a probem if the system was hacked?
--pete
Would somebody please tell me (Score:5, Insightful)
Source released by Microsoft already? (Score:1, Insightful)
In which case, in typical Bill Gates style, he would be attempting to put kids in jail for distributing source code they probably copied from their university, all the while soaking the media attention by making it appear to be something other than what it is.
Lets re-iterate that. Bill Gates would be trying to throw people in jail, most likely kids, destroying their lives, for code he's already released to many people outside of Microsoft.