.Net:... 3 Years Later

Ashcrow writes "EWeek has posted an article on Microsoft's .NET initiative. It's been three years since we were first introduced to .NET and virtually none of the promised advantages have come true. Is it time for Microsoft to move on?"

nah...

[wza]

Is it time for Microsoft to move on?

nah, it's time Microsoft to move over...

just a powerful windows scripting environment

[the_2nd_coming]

as well as a new API for compiled applications. big deal. all I can say is...woo hoo they finaly found something that can replace Basic!!!

In Soviet Russia...

[gowen]

it's called .nyet

You are kidding, right?

[PhysicsGenius]

If you use Linux you obviously won't see the benefits of .NET, maybe that's why you guys haven't seen it. But the improvements have been manifold, let me give you some examples from my own network, which is .NETified:

1) We have single-source logons for all users, even if they migrate workstations.

2) Users can access their apps and data from anywhere on the network, even offsite.

3) Ping times have halved.

4) You wouldn't believe our uptime, sometimes we go for weeks without rebooting.

5) The TCO is 1/10th of what it was and we've been able to reduce our IT staff (maybe this is the real reason the /. readership hates .NET?).

New MS project announced!

[Dark Lord Seth]

It's called "Microsoft Passport"! I thought it sounded familiar but when I asked, they waved their hands at me and said "This project is new..." so it has to be! Can you imagine the advantages? Logging into hotmail automagically using MS Passport, using Passport as some sort of all-round login system... Heck, you can even use MS Passport as an instant messenging system! Wow!

Time to move on?

[bgarcia]

Is it time for Microsoft to move on?"

Yes. After 3 years, they should be coming up with some new innovative idea that they will bet the company on <rolls eyes>.

Emperor's New Clothes test...

[jkrise]

Kid: But there's nothing on .Net!!!
Joe ServicePack: I think only wise folks can u'stand .Net
MCSE: .Net rocks
GNUist: .Net? .Not..
Microsoft: We're betting our ass.
IBM: Your ass is grass.
Sun: Java's the way.

What?

[Anonymous Coward]

virtually none of the promised advantages have come true

What nonsense. I use .NET every day and it has delivered all of its promised advantages.

whats to see?

[chef_raekwon]

Is it time for Microsoft to move on?"

move along...nothing to see here.....

Hyperlinking frenzy

[palad1]

Hi,
I am all for html [w3.org] hyperlinks but I think I can find Eweek's website [eweek.com], as well as microsoft's [microsoft.com] website and its dot net [microsoft.com] section, especially after three years.

Of course I know, I wouldn't be bothered if I didn't try to read the article [eweek.com]. Who reads the articles on slashdot [slashdot.org] anyways?

.Net

[Anonymous Coward]

At least it's doing slightly better than GNU/Hurd.

Question

[pubjames]

Has anybody worked out what it is yet?

Re:So much...

[mgs1000]

"Double or nuthin'?" - Steve Balmer

Re:You are kidding, right?

[mgs1000]

I would love to have a .net enabled ping utility!

Re:In Soviet Russia...

[Em Emalb]

You've had that one waiting in the wings for months now haven't you?

Heh. Dr Pepper tastes funny after going through your nose. Yuck.

Re:Question

[__past__]

A cheap trick to get around the limitation that there are only 17576 TLAs.

Re:It can do most of what they say...

[GrantZ]

Absolutely!

I am a software engineer and have written apps in Java, VB, and PERL. I have a friend who has been an M$ developer for about 5 years, and just called me a month or 2 ago to let me know that there is this thing called "design patterns" ... just for .Net. There is some M$ website that apparently broke the lid open on the concept of patterns this year (don't know URL). Of course, so did Christopher Alexander in the late 70's, and over 100 others since then... but M$ didn't endorse them until this year. My friend is cool and all, but the general software engineering ignorance was staggering.

Re:Speaking for myself

[pubjames]

From that perspective, ASP.NET just totally rocks my world. I can debug more easily. Performance is better. It encourages good architectural practices. And my productivity has gone through the roof - I haven't done any formal tests but based on personal experience I'd say I can develop at *least* 30% faster with ASP.NET compared to any other platform, possibly more.

I absolutely agree. Since discovering .NET my life has changed! I can concentrate for longer, I'm more confident with girls and my armpits have a wonderful spring morning freshness. .NET, because you're worth it!

EWeek is just upset because

[Anonymous Coward]

their name change from "PCWeek" to "EWeek" has provided "none of the promised advantages" they claimed when they tried to cash in on the "e" craze just before the bubble burst.

Re:Well...

[chef_raekwon]

try to cram linux down everyone's throat as the be-all, end-all solution to everything

ahhh, Linux. The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems....

.NET Proof Of Concept

[Ilan Volow]

.NET proves without a doubt that it is possible for an entire industry to fake an orgasm.

Re:From "Great" to old ideas

[OpCode42]

http://www.myphonegames.co.uk/nokia-3510i-xtreme-b oxing/

There you go. Boxing in Java. Don't see your problem... ;)

I'm convinced

[TheZax]

What nonsense. I use .NET every day and it has delivered all of its promised advantages.

OK, AC, you have me convinced with your insightful argument.

I use .NET, AND.ORG/.COM/.EDU every day, and I agree 100%.

Re:Question

[Anonymous Coward]

Whatever the question is it must come to 42.

Re:Yes

[Anonymous Coward]

you probably find it better to configure girls through a text file than browsing through an array of boobs, ass, and furburger.

Re:Well...

[volve]

Wait, so you mean I actually _am_ using Microsoft Bob to do my work, and I've just grown so used to him [it] that I've stopped noticing?!

HOLY CRAP THE END IS NIGH!

-VolVE

Re:.NET Proof Of Concept

[Dumbush]

are you sure it isn't premature ejaculation?

Re:It takes insight to notice these things take ti

[pmz]

You can't really consider C# or Hailstorm to have been around and competing for three years, can you?

With Microsoft, yes, we can. Anyway, I was suprised to read that it's been three years already. This means we're due for .NET's replacement next year. Perhaps, this time around, we'll see a microkernel architecture with XXML (extensible XML, yea!) all implemented within a web services-based virtual machine. With that in 2004, I can't wait for 2008!

Re:Question

[Sven Tuerpe]

Has anybody worked out what it is yet?

The result of a bug in Word. It was supposed to be .NOT but Word autocorrected it and nobody noticed.

Re:Not all your base belongs to us

[nick_urbanik]

Your sig (you may change it in response to this, I hope):
chown -R us ~your/*base*

Sorry, but I think that you may have meant by your sig:
find ~your -name '*base*' | xargs chown us

The problem with your sig is that you only change the ownership of the base immediately below ~/your home directory, not all your base in directories more than one level below. The problem is that the shell will only expand the *base* in the home directory.

I hope you can further develop your base chowning skills further, so that all of it belongs to us.

Re:Yes

[cshark]

Yeah, but platforms aside, I think m$ really alienated their core user base with .net. This should be a lesson to anyone who releases a software product over multiple versions, always implement backwards compatibility.

Being a Winvicate isn't easy, you know.
It takes time and money, and I don't think Microsoft really understands how dedicated you have to be to actually defend their actions and business practices, and continue using their second and third rate products.

My hat goes off to those rich enough, and naive enough to keep the .NET bandwagon rolling!

Re:Reality is quite nice though

[Reality Master 101]

There is no need to reinvent the wheel for enterprise solutions and use do-it-yourself Its costly and takes a lot of time. For Enterprise solutions - just go with java.

If the wheel is square and made of stone, then many times wheels need to reinvented. Stone, square wheels don't move very fast. Kind of like Java (in more ways than one).

Sure, I use .NET on vacation...

[Demodian]

... to get the .FISH out of the water...

Re:Question

[Anonymous Coward]

I have. I'll summarize it for you.

.NET is the next generation of Windows system services designed to brig innovation and other advanced technology to the web services and distributed dynamic application runtime deployment industry. It also allows middle tier application service providers to deliver their solutions in a timely and innovative fashion. In addition, it is a game platform designed to revolutionize the ability for developers and end users alike to interact with their systems in a dynamic and innovative way.

Now do you understand?

Re:Not all your base belongs to us

[nick_urbanik]

Oh dear, doesn't Slashdot value humour?

Re:.Net was never clearly defined

[LPetrazickis]

I fail to see a contradiction between proposition
A: .net will bind you to MS until the universe collapses
and proposition
B: the universe will not collapse

If I am not mistaken, logic dictates that .net will bind you to MS forever.:P