Ximian Desktop 2, Evolution Released

An anonymous reader writes "Ximian has released their long awaited Ximian Desktop 2, their popular Gnome-based desktop, and Evolution, their popular email client and calendar program. They can be found on the main Ftp server. You can also check their mirrors."

Nuh uh

[Anonymous Coward]

Only neither can be downloaded due to dependency problems. Someone needs to check out their installer. The needed files don't seem to be on the mirrors, according to the installer logs.

Re:Nuh uh

[altp]

Use the mirrors, its downloading fine for me.

take off the ftp:// and the path and just give it the server when it lets you choose to use a different server in the installer.

Altp.

Debian?

[Max Romantschuk]

OK, now when can I apt-get install this thing?

Says the Linux-newbie who wants it all served on a plate ;)

PS. IF that is now Ximian's site is too slow for me to find out.

Source

[riggwelter]

I expect it's just an oversight, but as yet there are no source tarballs on either ftp.ximian.com or ftp.gnome.org (well, my local f.g.o mirror, can't get to the real thing at the mo...)

Re:Debian?

[opk]

You won't. Ximian are dropping support for Debian.

Though they will release the source so someone may decide to compile it and package it unofficially.

For those looking to install it quickly...

[Anonymous Coward]

Posted anonymously on purpose.

PLEASE USE MIRRORS!!!

1. Open a terminal window.
2. Using the su command, become superuser (root).
3. Type the following command or cut and paste it into your terminal:
wget -q -O - http://go.ximian.com |sh

Re:"Popular" ?

[5prite]

Personally I have used Ximian Evolution before, and I think that it is pretty easy to use (i.e. very gentle learning curve).

However, during my waiting for the GTK2 version of Evolution, I have switched to mutt for various reasons:

1. I am tired of waiting it to fire up (~5-10 seconds on my P2 350MHz)
2. I wanna try something new
3. More powerful :)
4. Most importantly, I know that text-based oriented interface is faster to use when you are on it

My thinking is that GUI applications aids people to migrate to Linux (who wanna invest half a month to learn before you know how to check your inbox?). As users has built up more and more knowledge on Linux (kernel + applications), s/he will start looking at alternatives (possibly text-oriented interface) which suits his/her needs better.

This will also answer those comments like:

• GUI is useless
• real men use mutt/[insert your favorite text-based mail client here]

Although I am using mutt now, without Evolution, I will not even know how to use mutt now. I appreciate a newer version being released, although I know I will not use it.

Re:Source

[luge]

Not quite an oversight; more like a serious fuckup on the mirror syncing that was only discovered very late last night by some very, very tired code monkeys. It'll be corrected once we have bandwidth again. [By fixed I mean 'we'll put out .srpms', since we aren't upstream and hence have never released tarballs.]

What you really want anyway is http://patches.ximian.com, which still has some kinks (some missing patches, we can't quite tell why) but should have all the changes in much-easier-to-digest patch form.

Owned

[gylle]

Now there is good advise: Be brave, pipe the contents from an url posted on slashdot by Anonymous Coward directly to /bin/sh!

Are you kidding?!

Re:Source

[luge]

FWIW, you can always get all the source to Evolution from cvs.gnome.org.

Re:Nuh uh

[coolfrood]

Here's what Nat Friedman had to say [osnews.com] about OS X support.
They won't do it since the demand isn't there, and what he says makes a lot of sense

Re:import/export

[Anonymous Coward]

Evolution supports standard mbox format.
Once you have your old mail folders as mbox
there is no problem. Coincidently I have just
finished importing my old Eudora mail into
Evo using the eudora2unix.pl preformatter.

ttfn
AC.

Re:Owned

[GC]

NO.

There are many DNS servers out there who are vulnerable to DNS poisoning and the go.ximian.com A record is a holy grail for that.

Please ensure that you are getting the real go.ximian.com, by checking the record with dig.

Like so:

dig @gustavo.ximian.com go.ximian.com

Anyone who doesn't do this deserves to get rooted.

Re:popular?

[mgkimsal2]

Whoah - what distros are you using? I've seen people here use various redhat, mandrakes and suses over the past couple years with various versions of Mozilla and Evolution. No one has ever seen dependancies between those two - I can upgrade or delete Mozilla multiple times without ever affecting evolution. ???

Re:Debian?

[samj]

There is an evolution package [debian.org] which is one of many [debian.org] maintained by Takuo KITAME [mailto].

Re:Debian?

[BJH]

If this version is anything like the last it will automagically detect your distribution and use its default package management system.

Sorry, no... from the install script:

# Not running on an RPM system
bail_nonrpm () {
echo
echo "The Ximian Installer currently only supports RPM-based systems."
echo "For more information about Ximian's currently supported "
echo "distributions, please visit http://www.ximian.com/."

cleanup
exit 1
}

Re:"Popular" ?

[IamTheRealMike]

So far, for every single one of them, KDE has been the top choice of both admins as well as users, for a tremendous amount of reasons.

.... which you haven't listed.

The Ximian/GNOME team are really not heading in the right direction, when it comes to desktop design, and they have pretty much made sure that the design decisions that went into XD2 will scare off any serious systems manager

.... which you also don't list.

or at the very least, give them the same amount of lock-in and dependency that Ms offers them today.

I think you're nick is well chosen. You're smoking some serious crack. I suspect this might be a well crafted troll. But whatever.

The Ximian Connector you so highly tout only delivers value to Ximian, not to the end user

In that case, why do people buy it?

I can easily connect and collaborate with Exchange servers, in a variety of ways, including a fat-client, if I would wish to do so -- without having to use Evolution, *or* suffer a major loss of functionality.

Again. You don't support this assertion.

Moreover, any application that requires a 3k killscript

.... which it no longer requires.

Years after CORBA is dumped in just about any enterprise as an archaic, slow-moving and basically retarded piece of middleware

You are ignorant. CORBA is used in many back office applications, especially powering high end e-commerce sites. DCOM, which is similar to CORBA except less standard and poorly specified, is deployed throughout the Win32 platform, and people all over the world use it every day (via installshield no less).

those config options that are available are tucked away in a "registry" type, binary databse

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you are a troll. GConf is not binary based. Oh, and by the way, simplification of the UI has ranked very highly amongst "things we need" for IT managers to deploy Linux on the desktop.

they even set OpenOffice.org to save by default in MS formats!! how fscked up is that?!?

Corp rollouts would only do it themselves anyway. Or do you really want Mary in marketing ringing up every other day asking why her friend can't open the report she just sent?

I am now a happy KDE user, most of the time. And no, this is not a troll, or anything like that. It is honest opinion.

No, it's a troll. It's made up purely of unsubstaniated opinion with no basis in reality whatsoever, put forth in a flamebait style. It reads like you're trolling for hits. So here you are. Hope you enjoy it.

Not usable with RedHat 7.3?

[Patrick May]

I've tried several mirrors and gotten the same problem during dependency resolution:

The installer was unable to download information about a required channel for this install (Red Hat Linux 7.3 (161)).
This error may be the result of a network failure. Please verify that your network connection is active and that your network settings are correct.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Patrick

Re:"Popular" ?

[afidel]

My credentials are that I was the linux expert on the deskside support team that supports Cisco Systems. When Cisco decided to go with Exchange for internal reasons we started looking for a good linux solution. We needed to support not just email, but calandering as well because all calandering was thankfully being moved off of their previous "solution" (it sucked equally on all platforms). We could not use POP3 for email because it broke the model of some of the backend software that was being grafted around Exchange so it was either IMAP or MAPI, and when you add in the need for calendering support the only viable solution was Ximian connector+Evolution. Setting the default save option to MS formats makes sense in a mixed environment because then the user does not have to think about resaving the document before sending it to a collegue. Btw, this was for a couple thousand seats of linux desktops in a mixed Solaris/Win2k/RH environment.

Re:popular?

[Stephen Chadfield]

All my family use Gnome and Evolution at home (though to be honest I often find myself using Fastmail's web interface for email) on Redhat 9. After using it for some months now I can't think of anything about it that annoys me off the top of my head. In fact, I find it a pleasure to use.

The Mozilla supplied with RH9 is good enough for my purposes so I no longer feel the need to track every point release.

Re:"Popular" ?

[damiam]

I am tired of waiting it to fire up (~5-10 seconds on my P2 350MHz)

FWIW, Evolution 1.4 screams. 1.2 took about 5 seconds to startup on my dual-Athlon 2200 box, and 1.4 takes half a second.

Re:Debian?

[reaper20]

Find the Woody backport for gnome 2.2 on apt-get.org [apt-get.org].

You're going to need the XFree backport with it, since the X in Woody doesn't support the goodies that gnome2.2 needs.

This is probably why Ximian won't support woody, they'd have to not only do gnome, but X along with it.

Debian is *not* being dropped

[Anonymous Coward]

Debian is *not* being dropped. It's simply not supported *yet*.

Ximian makes most it's money off of RedHat and SuSE so it's obvious they'll want to support those first. Once they get money from these distributions, they'll support other distributions. They used the same approach with the 1.x distribution. Read the "download page" if you want confirmation of this.

Re:Debian?

[The Tithe]

Ximian had indicated on their site for the past year and a half that they would support Deibian Woody once they released version 2.0 of their Ximian Desktop. Suddenly as of a week or so ago, they have pulled that FAQ item and changed their story to indicate that they won't be supporting Debian anymore.

On another note according to the Ximian Users list Ximian does not plan on providing support for Debian at all, and a group of Spanish developers is going to be releasing the debian distribution separately. (But they are still looking for people to help)

Yes, Debian is being dropped

[reynaert]

See This mail [debian.org] on the debian gtk/gnome mailing lists.

On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 14:55, Mark Gordon <[e-mail]> wrote:
> There are no plans for an XD2 release for Woody.
>
> -Mark Gordon

Some people are starting to work on an unofficial woody port. Unstable already contains gnome 2.2 and most interesting ximian patches will probably be applied.

Re:Easy to remove?

[TheRaven64]

And anyone who thinks we should is welcome to show us how and demonstrate with an installation of similar complexity

Okay, I'll give it a go. You type:

pkg_deinstall -R gnome2

on your FreeBSD box (with the portupgrade port / package installed). This will uninstall the gnome2 meta-port (which is a port containing nothing, just dependencies on all of the parts of gnome2, allowing all of gnome2 to be installed by installing this port and all dependencies recursively). It will also recurse upwards through the dependency tree and remove all packages that gnome2 depends on, and all that they depend on etc unless another package / port depends on them. If you then decide you want to install kde 3.whatever (is 3.3 current now? I've lost track) then all you need to do is type:

portinstall kde3

and it will install kde3. If you want to make sure that you are always using the latest stable version of gnome2 then you can just create a simple cron job which will run every day, cvsup your ports tree and run portupgrade on gnome2. Two lines of shell script to make sure that your gnome2 installation is always current.

Ximian is Lindows+warehouse for everybody

[Anonymous Coward]

XD2 tries to use the default packages of the distribution by default so you won't have the "download too many packages" problem. For the most part, Ximian has tried to make sure that most of it's desired changes are already part of GNOME 2, so it doesn't need to make many changes.

Ximian's ultimate goal is to do what Lindows has done with their software warehouse -- make is possible for vendors to offer "one click download/purchase" of their products. The key difference with Lindows is:

* it's distribution independent. RedHat, Mandrake, and SuSE all customize GNOME and KDE differently and provide different apps. Ximian's GNOME provides a common library and GUI between distributions

* most software on RedCarpet is free -- you don't even need to pay a "signup charge".

* Ximian is based on GNOME 2 while Lindows is based on KDE.

Re:Red Hat Linux 7.1 & 7.2?

[Anonymous Coward]

Outdated, but you can upgrade your system to Redhat 7.3 using apt4rpm and the freshrpms apt sources.

Just go to www.freshrpms.net and check it out.

I did an apt-get dist upgrade from 7.2 to 7.3 with very little trouble

Re:Good to see

[Anonymous Coward]

How the f**k do I register spam mails with bogofilter from Evo?

This is very easy since Evo's filters provide an option to filter based on the return code from an external program.

MIRRORS!

[Rastor]

Here's some more mirrors I found:

http://ximian.dulug.duke.edu/pub/ximian/ [duke.edu]
http://ftp.dc.aleron.net/ximian/ [aleron.net]
http://ximian.oregonstate.edu/ [oregonstate.edu]
http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/rsync.ximian.c om/ [ufl.edu]
http://0-open-systems.ufl.edu.library.csuhayward.e du/mirrors/rsync.ximian.com/ [csuhayward.edu]