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Linux Ported to IBM's Network Computer Terminals

Posted by Hemos on Mon Jan 31, 2000 08:05 AM
from the getting-in-everywhere dept.
Bryan Mattern wrote to us with the latest press release from IBM regarding Big Blue and Linux. IBM has now ported Linux to run on their network terminals - specifically the Network Station Series 2200 and 2800.
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  • Thinkpads? by ben_ (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:13AM
  • Re:one question: by jd (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @03:19AM
  • Sure is nice, but I much prefer DW2 ... by v1z (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:21AM
  • Re:Heh... by jd (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @03:21AM
  • IBM and Linux : good deal by zeux (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:22AM
  • Re:IBM and Linux : good deal by Foogle (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:26AM
  • Embedded Systems Strike Again. by Rodney L Caston (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:29AM
  • by jd (1658) <[imipak] [at] [yahoo.com]> on Monday January 31 2000, @03:30AM (#1319209) Homepage Journal
    Their biggest FUD-line has always been that Linux is unsupported. With IBM -really- piling on the press announcements and support, this is seriously undermining that argument.

    (Not that the argument was ever true, but in the minds of the Supremely Rich Ones With All The Corporate Gold, what was spaketh was True, even if not "true".)

    Also, I'm going to expect a =SERIOUS= shift in the marketplace, with this announcement. Now, customers will potentially be able to run EXACTLY the same software on their hand-helds and laptops as the backroom boys are running on their mainframes and supercomputers.

    (Translation: The bosses might beat the techies in the next Quake 3 tournament.)

    But this should FINALLY destroy that pathetically outdated image of Linux as being some backward OS for long-hair rebellious punks who just won't settle into something mature, like Windows 3.1.

    If a corporation is going to throw -THIS- much weight behind Linux, maybe - just maybe - some of Linux' critics will get the idea that there's something real there. Something that deserves respect, not contempt, for it's differences.

    Maybe, being "weird" in the eyes of the Establishment is no longer quite the penalty it was. Maybe the Establishment has finally grown up. Now to see if the media can do the same.

  • Yes, but Thin-Client - these will probably run ICA by GC (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @03:30AM
  • Will IBM opensource their contributions? by Gurlia (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @03:32AM
  • Ironic by canny (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:33AM
  • Re:Expect Microsoft retalliation by Saxton (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:34AM
  • What *PRECISELY* did the press release mean? by Christopher B. Brown (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @03:44AM
  • OSS & The Bomb by Duxup (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @03:49AM
  • Re:Heh... by ruud (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @03:54AM
  • Re:I can't believe it by octothorpe (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:55AM
  • Re:Thinkpads? by DalePSmith (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:59AM
  • A solid netscape? by pjc (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @03:59AM
  • We need a marketing slogan by rueba (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @04:02AM
  • They already run NetBSD by perry (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @04:07AM
  • Bah by Greyfox (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @04:12AM
  • Apparently... by Greyfox (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @04:15AM
  • Atom bomb is easy... by Greyfox (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @04:20AM
  • by Steeltoe (98226) on Monday January 31 2000, @04:23AM (#1319235) Homepage
    How about:

    "Linux, raising user awareness-level of stuff they don't wanna know since 1992."

    or

    "Linux - Everything M$ without the $"

    or perhaps

    "Linux - You better believe our FUD, or your SOL"

    I shudder to think of this one

    "Linux - Sponsored by Redhat"

    also

    "Linux - Sponsored by Coke and Srg. Pepper"
    is perhaps a bit too close to the truth?

    or

    "Linux, what's OO?"

    or even

    "Linux, because C is superior in every way."


    Christ. How about just:

    Linux

    finally putting a stop of user-dumbing slogans once and for all. Let the users figure it out themselves.

    - Steeltoe
  • Well, the NCs already ran open source... by perry (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @04:25AM
  • Re:We need a marketing slogan by jd (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @04:25AM
  • Re:OSS & The Bomb by nhowie (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @04:36AM
  • Re:Thinkpads? by Khalid (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @04:37AM
  • Re:OSS & The Bomb by lytles (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @04:45AM
  • by cjs (12969) <cjs@cynic.net> on Monday January 31 2000, @05:16AM (#1319245) Homepage

    Now, customers will potentially be able to run EXACTLY the same software on their hand-helds and laptops as the backroom boys are running on their mainframes and supercomputers.
    What do you mean, `now'? This has been the case for a while now. For the last few years IBM has been running NetBSD on these same NCs that we've been talking about, and NASA has been running NetBSD a AlphaServer 8400s with gigabytes of memory and terrabytes of disk. And now you can run NetBSD on a handheld.

    I'm finding this whole Linux revolution rather depressing, now, because it is, quite obviously just a Linux revolution and not an open source revolution at all. IBM built its NCs around an open-source OS and has been providing full support for it for a couple of years now, but nobody (except for a handful of NetBSD developers) cares. They now are either ditching it for Linux or are porting Linux just for show and not to use, either of which is just a fashon statement. And I don't think Linux users really care that IBM couldn't give a damn about open source so long as IBM keeps mentioning the word `Linux' in their press releases.

    It seems to me that various interests, including many in the Open Source community itself, are pushing things toward homogenity rather than diversity. I suppose this shouldn't come as too much of a surprise since that tendency has been there from the start: Richard Stallman, for example, makes it quite clear that he wants to see a world where nobody would ever use or write non-GNU software because there would already be a GNU package that is better.

    I'm starting to suspect that one day indeed Linux will rule the world. Unfortunately, things won't change much for those who are not part of the ruling class, old or new. Instead of a large company like HP or MS getting special licencing terms for Sun's JVM or Digital's proprietary boot code for the Alpha, it will be Linux, but the other open source operating systems will still be left out. (I use these examples because they have already happened.) And I'll be using Linux instead of Windows, not because it's the OS I want to use, but because I can get drivers for proprietary hardware for it when I can't get enough information to write that driver for my preferred OS. How is the Linux monopoly going to be a change from the Windows monopoly?

    cjs

  • Re:Yes, but Thin-Client - these will probably run by gwolf (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @05:59AM
  • Re:What *PRECISELY* did the press release mean? by gwolf (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @06:05AM
  • How Microsoft killed Digital's shark (DEC DNARD) by T-Punkt (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @06:07AM
  • Are modems really $100? by Paul Carver (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @06:09AM
  • Re:Heh... by ccchips (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @06:22AM
  • Re:OSS & The Bomb by MartyC (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @06:31AM
  • Re:Expect Microsoft retalliation by ccchips (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @06:49AM
  • Huh - they always worked with Linux by argoff (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @08:54AM
  • Economics 101 by nedow (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @09:47AM
  • by Azog (20907) on Monday January 31 2000, @09:54AM (#1319260) Homepage
    You have some good points regarding BSD and IBM.

    But really, you can't seriously say that a Linux monopoly would be indistinguishable from a Windows monopoly! It's the source! You always have the source!

    You claim it's not really an open-source revolution, but a Linux revolution. I completely disagree! I think one important reason why Linux has grabbed so much mindshare is the GPL.

    BSD uses a different license - fair enough, I have no problem with people choosing whatever license they want to release code. But, if I am writing code for free, to give away, I don't want to see that code used for profit by companies that have burned me before. I'm a developer, mostly for Windows at the moment, and I've been burned by Microsoft in the past. Microsoft can use BSD-licensed code, "extend" it, and sell it for profit. Why would I want to support that? That's why I would use the GPL, implicitly would aligning myself with Linux rather than BSD.

    And your comments on a Linux "Ruling Class" don't make sense. As long as the source is under the GPL, there is no ruling class. That's the whole point! It's FREE! Free to read, change, and modify! It's completely contrary to the concept of a ruling class that controls access and has special privilege!

    The GPL gives you the source, remember - so you can always port to your favorite OS. Try that under the Windows monopoly - difficult, isn't it!

    That's how a Linux "monopoly" would be different - the GPL makes a monopoly impossible.

    Torrey Hoffman (Azog)
  • Re:Expect Microsoft retalliation by 2ri (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @11:27AM
  • Re:We need a marketing slogan by carton (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @11:52AM
  • Re: Thinkpads? (1) by mc (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @12:46PM
  • Re: We need a marketing slogan (1) by mc (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @12:49PM
  • This press release is bullshit by Blue Lang (Score:2) Monday January 31 2000, @01:05PM
  • Re:We need a marketing slogan by rueba (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @01:07PM
  • Re:Yes, but Thin-Client - these will probably run by beamer1967 (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @01:50PM
  • Re:What *PRECISELY* did the press release mean? by beamer1967 (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @02:10PM
  • Re:Are modems really $100? by nmos (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @02:25PM
  • Re:A solid netscape? by jlrowe (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @02:40PM
  • Re:This press is patently NOT false but confusing by beamer1967 (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @02:43PM
  • "Proprietary" drivers? by smurfi (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @05:41PM
  • but not for long by nedow (Score:1) Monday January 31 2000, @08:43PM
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