New YOPY Screenshots 123
FWMiller writes: "Theres a bunch of new screenshots up on Samsung's new PDA, the YOPY. This thing looks really slick, emulating the Windows CE user interface quite closely." The images are in a tgz, and they look real. They demo an addressbook, and MP3 player and other apps that apparently would ship with the nifty Linux based PDA. I still haven't seen a ship date (or an english version of the software for that matter ;) so I'm not holding my breath too hard. Although after playing with Kurt The Pope's Jornada, I'm dying to see what they can do.
10 to 12 hours standby (Score:1)
I don't know why everyone and his mother is waiting for this crap.
Korea? wtf post mirrors (Score:1)
800 bytes/second on a t1.
Watch the sky for falling sattelite(s) kiddies.
You could be a little polite... (Score:2)
Is this running on a FB or on X? Any word on when we'll see a QT/Embedded device?
Neato freeto (Score:1)
How would it compare to a Pilot? (Score:1)
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Oops (Score:1)
Have you seen these pictures? (Score:1)
Rader
What's with this file? (Score:1)
.jpeg,
--Shoeboy
Re:What's with this file? (Score:1)
if you don't know what a tgz file is, where do you get off talking about internet standards?
Re:What's with this file? (Score:1)
PDA's (Score:2)
The obvious question... (Score:5)
"Who would want to emulate Windows CE's interface?"
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Uhhh... you're new here, right? (Score:2)
To view the files, reverse the process.
Wow (Score:2)
*If you are curious, my complaints are specifically with system resource usage and stability. While Windows CE isn't as bad as its cousins, its heritage is still apparent. If you could give me the same features and interface but with a little less bloat and cruft, I would be a very satisfied customer.
yours,
john
Re:Uhhh... you're new here, right? (Score:1)
Looks nice, but... (Score:5)
Now, if you could give me something the size of a Palm V, with the Fitaly stamp keyboard instead of Graffiti or handwriting recogninition (plus an optional folding full-size StowAway keyboard), expansion as easy and versatile as Handspring's Springboard but as small as Sony's Memory Stick, a high-quality color display for large resolutions, built-in wireless connectivity, and long-lasting rechargable batteries...well, then you'd really have a amazingly powerful, functional palm device. Deliver it at a reasonable price point and the world will beat a path to your door.
But it looks like Samsung is taking a big step in the race for the ultimate PDA.
YOPY Go Home (Score:2)
I can think of some handy uses for a PDA -- if you were in an accident, for example, you could send a memo to the hospital. Or if you had to take notes during a meeting (but who goes to meeting these days?), you could jot them down on a PDA, assuming you could get it to recognize your handwriting. But who wants to have their address book, e-mail, pager, and ICQ attached to them, like some sort of crippling chain to their job? Unless your entire life revolves around computers and the Internet, I can't think of a reason why you'd want one of these things leeching away your free time.
This may be the Miniturization Age, but believe it or not, we don't need everything smaller and more pervasive. Throw that PDA away and take a vacation. See the world. Stop and smell the roses.
Re:Uhhh... you're new here, right? (Score:1)
Re:YOPY Go Home (Score:3)
The simple answer is to turn your machine (PDA, cell phone, beeper, etc.) off.
I like my hammer as much as the next guy...I don't use it in restaurants though.
TGL
Re:nfp -- WOW (Score:2)
I did not believe I would actually be able to type and "Submit" quickly enough to receive the coveted first post. Therefore, I included "nearly" in my subject.
However, fate is a fickle and unpredictable mistress (interns are much easier). As it turns out, I DID in fact have the first post to this particular article.
What led to this remarkable set of circumstances? I can only speculum. Perhaps it was because the linked file was, in fact, a
But the above suppository has a flaw. It assumes that Slashdooters actual FOLLOW links before they post. We all know the folly of this predisposition.
There was a time when first posts where easy to come by. Now, Slashdot has more posters than a used CD store. First posts have become even more special and rarer than beef tartar.
I can only conclude that, for today, the gods of the universe are looking upon me with favor. This is my special day and I will enjoy it for as long as it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. The world may never know. Thank you.
At least (Score:1)
What's even worse is that Corel's WordPerfect 8 for Linux used DOS print drivers; the drivers you downloaded off their site were self-extracting EXE's. Morons. I should've used wine.
Mirror (actually, uncompressed pics available at.. (Score:5)
Re:What's with this file? (Score:1)
Booyakka.
wince... _hey, that's cool_ (Score:1)
"This thing looks really slick, emulating the Windows CE user interface quite closely."
while the boys and girls in richmond do a fair job building user interfaces i'm sick of the free software community ripping their stuff and producing look alike - but generally inferior - interfaces.
the palm interface is slick as shit on a wet shovel... why could they not come up with something as ground breaking for the yoppy? why the hell does the free software community not come up with a new idea in the UI space? or at least innovate rather than play catch up?
I think he's joking. (Score:1)
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Yopy Went Beta Sunday... (Score:1)
Battery Life (Score:3)
CE Interface (Score:2)
We're all different.
CE and the YOPY (Score:1)
oh wait. wrong topic.
anyway, so how come when samsung finally shows off the YOPY, its fundamental winCE-ness is regarded as slick? i mean, how many of us would call KDE 2.0 or whatever slick if it "closely emulated" win2K?
here's hoping samsung doesn't encounter a backlash of people not understanding that the YOPY is not a CE device, and deriding it as a poor imitation. kinda like CE and windows itself, when you think about it.
Re:You could be a little polite... (Score:2)
Re:PDA's (Score:2)
At least one
No, I don't work for Psion
Re:What's with this file? (Score:2)
This kind of unix wookie elitism is what turns a lot of people off of adopting linux. Fortunately the freebsd community seems a lot more helpful and humble.
--Shoeboy
Re:The obvious question... (Score:1)
And perchance, do you happen to know of a good touch- (and tap-) based interface? On any OS, never mind Linux?
And yes, Palm-type interface is good for simple things, but only for simple things.
Kaa
Re:Uhhh... you're new here, right? (Score:1)
Re:What's with this file? (Score:2)
My young apprentice,
I believe our roles are reversed. The above was clearly a masterful stroke of trolling. Your skills obviously exceed mine. I want to learn from you.
The learner is now the master. The learner waits while the master baits.
Re:The obvious question... (Score:2)
Newton OS? It's the most consistently usable, reasonably widespread commercial OS I've used.
There were many aspects that contributed to its death, but "lack of ease of use" sure wasn't one of them.
(Very) early efforts to port the Newton to free software is available at www.gnuton.com [gnuton.com].
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Re:CE and the YOPY (Score:2)
On a more serious note, sometimes Microsoft _does_ make something decent on the desktop. The use of keyboard accelerators far and away beats out other desktop OS's, so I can do things like rapid data entry without reaching for the mouse. Additionally, applications tend to use common dialogs, icons, and widgets much more often. Microsoft's own Office products tend to be among the exceptions, ironically enough.
Of course, Microsoft has practically nothing on *nix on the command line, but who in their right mind gets anything done THERE?
And another question (Score:1)
sulli
Mirrordot.org? (Score:2)
traceroute to www.gmate.co.kr (211.113.71.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 209.68.XXX.XXX (209.68.XXX.XXX) 0.643 ms 0.489 ms 0.459 ms
2 pos3-1.hsa1.sdg1.Level3.net (209.245.56.129) 0.709 ms 0.727 ms 0.783 ms
3 lo0.mp1.LosAngeles1.level3.net (209.247.8.241) 4.376 ms 15.523 ms 4.385 ms
4 209.247.10.194 (209.247.10.194) 4.237 ms 4.277 ms 4.264 ms
5 209.0.227.34 (209.0.227.34) 5.811 ms 6.087 ms 6.026 ms
6 corerouter1.Bloomington.cw.net (204.70.9.147) 9.718 ms 9.665 ms 9.136 ms
7 corerouter2.SanFrancisco.cw.net (204.70.9.132) 16.891 ms 19.112 ms 18.515 ms
8 acr2-loopback.SanFranciscosfd.cw.net (206.24.210.62) 17.500 ms 17.286 ms 17.495 ms
9 bpr1.pax.cw.net (206.24.210.8) 18.244 ms 18.103 ms 18.150 ms
10 206.24.241.90 (206.24.241.90) 16.891 ms 16.640 ms 16.506 ms
11 211.47.0.221 (211.47.0.221) 180.773 ms 181.084 ms 181.458 ms
12 211.47.0.105 (211.47.0.105) 180.215 ms 181.265 ms 181.399 ms
13 211.62.63.5 (211.62.63.5) 180.526 ms 180.593 ms 180.843 ms
14 Daebang.LL-TEMP.hitel.net (211.62.33.100) 180.620 ms 182.815 ms 182.763 ms
15 211.113.71.1 (211.113.71.1) 4682.654 ms 4428.250 ms 4502.190 ms
16 211.113.71.2 (211.113.71.2) 4461.430 ms 4618.915 ms 4377.226 ms
You think they could mirror sites that they put up?
Re:Mirror (actually, uncompressed pics available a (Score:3)
Anyone who is interested in this... (Score:4)
Cheers,
Ben
Re:PDA's (Score:1)
Batteries usage (Score:1)
Re:What do you mean, I like porkchops. (Score:1)
So write an interface then (Score:1)
Re:At least (Score:2)
What's even worse is that Corel's WordPerfect 8 for Linux used DOS print drivers; the drivers you downloaded off their site were self-extracting EXE's. Morons. I should've used wine.
Zip is a free compression format, you moron.
Learn to use options and you'll get all the files dumped in the right directories (clue: -D works)
Many many more people use Zip than use tgz - I don't know why anybody bothers with tgz any more - especially for wide distribution. Most people don't know what to do with them.
Fortunately, Winzip handles them just fine. I registered my copy - did you?
Re:What's with this file? (Score:1)
(-1, YHBT)
Re:YOPY Go Home (Score:2)
You are confused. Your rant is, basically, against beepers and cell phones -- these are the devices that make you "connected" 24/7. PDAs are, ahem, somewhat different.
But who wants to have their address book, e-mail, pager, and ICQ attached to them, like some sort of crippling chain to their job?
Job??
Does your address book have only business contacts? Is your email 99% business-related? Is it only your boss or your customers that page you?
If so, my advice would be to get a life.
believe it or not, we don't need everything smaller and more pervasive.
I know a lot of women who would agree with you wholeheartedly.
Kaa
YOPY? (Score:1)
Re:YOPY Go Home (Score:1)
I for one don't have connectivity built into mine (Visor) except for my hotsync cradle. I use mine as a portable to-do list, address book, and scheduler. All the other frills are nice, like readin some document/book when stuck waiting in a restaraunt, etc.
I couldn't take notes in a meeting. People would (still) stare, and either it's not good enough or my graphitit still sucks enough that it's unfeasable. And memos to hospitals etc... that's what cell phones are for (you know of the email addresses to the right address for hospitals??? or maybe this is a new 'feature'). You seem to be lumping pagers, PDAs, cell phones all into the same category.
And just remember this... just because maybe you or the people you know can't control themselves it doesn't mean *everyone* can't use PDAs effectively. After all we have workaholics, alcoholics, gambling addicts, and so on and we also have very well adjusted people. You either have an addiction problem or you generally *choose* to live your life that way.
And you're going to be disappointed in the future. Everything is going to be connected, everything will get smaller, and short of moving to a log cabin in the Yukon you will be in contact with these developments.
Re:What's with this file? (Score:4)
The hallowed and supa-1337 trolls of slashdot have embraced me. Yea verily spiralx has clasped me to his manly bosom and let me suckle at the teat of trolldom. There is great rejoicing in shoeboy land and a major party in my pants.
Your young apprentice,
--Shoeboy
pervasive tech (Score:4)
The gist is, as we allow technology into our lives, we have to make it slave to us, not enslave ourselves to it. Luddites complain that cellphones keep us apart and remote while techno-enthusiasts claim it brings us together. My arkansas mother claims she talks more in email with her remote family now that she did on the phone in a year, while a fellow LUG officer I know turns his pager off the minute he leaves work because it stresses him out to be "too-connected". The truth is that tech can do both, enslave us or serve us, and it's all in the amount of control that you have technology to have in your life. Do you feel ABSOLUTELY COMPELLED to answer a ringing phone? It is in _your_ home, for _your_ convenience, and if you are busy, then let it ring and lose the stress. If you're in class, TURN YOUR FRIGGIN CELL PHONE OFF unless you just happen to be part of the 1% of the population that absolutely HAS to be reachable 24/7, and in that case, use the vibrate feature that almost all of them come with now.
tech is what you make of it, like many other things...
Innovation (Score:1)
I know others have picked up on this. (even faster than they picked up on Taco's QT/Diablo2 double-standards)
But the
Perhaps I shall (Score:2)
We're all different.
Finally got the damn file... (Score:1)
Anyway It looks pretty sweet, the mp3 player looks cool but how much memory is that thing going to have?
Re:And another question (Score:1)
Re:I think he's joking. (Score:1)
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Err- OOPS. Real Mirror. (Score:2)
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~kashent/yopy/ [rice.edu]
Oh, and they are uncompressed, for those of you who care. -Kashent
Re:I think he's joking. (Score:1)
if you give it a wee think, you'll realise that a low user number should correlate quite well with clue.
afterall, you lurk for a while before signing up (I know I did), so the guy's been surfing the web for a while.
That said, I'm a little suprised that anyone reading a linux site for so long could be ignorant of slackware's tarball format, eh.
whatever, really.
Here is a MIRROR for you all :) (Score:2)
Enjoy!
Re:So write an interface then (Score:2)
Re:Finally got the damn file... (Score:1)
What is the point of YOPY? (Score:3)
If they're just shrinking down a computer into a handheld format, then it's a handheld computer. Smaller screen, different input mechanism. But that doesn't make it a PDA.
Besides being small, durable and portable, a PDA should above all else be an assistant -- as in Personal Digital Assitant.
That means having software thats tailored to doing PDA-like things: checking off tasks, reading e-mail, looking up addresses, etc. It must be able to do all of these PDA-like things very quickly and easily.
As a veteran of many WinCE/PPC/PalmOS debates, it is still my opinion that Windows CE and PocketPC are designed to be handheld computers more than a PDA. Microsoft started moving in the right direction by simplifying the user interface, but the fact is, it remains built upon a non-PDA-oriented OS.
Is YOPY just going to be a Linux version of Windows CE? The most important thing about a PDA, the human interface, is said to be already emulating Windows CE, according to the author.
Raise your expectations! (Score:1)
;)
This is an outrage (Score:1)
it is very much uncalled for, moderating an
obvious newbiepost as troll, just because the
poster is a newbie.
He didn't know about TAR-balls or Gzip?
So what? I didn't some years ago.
Although I use tools like this regularily now,
the best way of scaring people off trying *nix'es,
is by alienating them.
What we SHOULD do, is point the person to good
ways of getting information, or enlighten the
person.
On a different matter, individual JPEG's would
be better, because it would let us look at thumbnails, and deciding what images was worth
looking at, without really increasing size.
Ingenious Secretary in Your Pocket (Score:2)
Another site (Score:2)
I am SO buying this (Score:1)
I've made a mirror for North Americans (Score:2)
Windows users: File will open with Winzip.
Unix: Need i explain?
Yopy links (FULL) (Score:3)
http://slashdot .org/article.pl?sid=00/04/27/0858200&mode=thread [slashdot.org] .org/article.pl?sid=00/02/27/1027237&mode=thread [slashdot.org] /pcwtoday/article/0,1510,15486,00.html [pcworld.com] = 20 [www.chip.de] (German)L inuxPDA.html [linux.com] /yopi1.htm [handheldmed.com] 0 003.html [pcwelt.de] (German)
Company sites, product informationhttp://linuxtoday.com/stories/17660.html [linuxtoday.com]
http://www.geeknews.org/news/fe b00/newsitem090.html [geeknews.org]
http://www.palmstation.com/ view_article.py?article=1786 [palmstation.com]
http://www.pdabuzz.com/Features/Yopy.html [pdabuzz.com]
http://slashdot
http://www.pcworld.com
http://www.ch ip.de/PC2D/PC2DB/PC2DBA/pc2dba.htm?id=323&ressort
http://www.twomobile.com/new_032200_y opy.html [twomobile.com] (obviously they didn't credit the source of the pictures and video footage!)
http://ore illy.linux.com/pub/a/network/2000/05/05/magazine/
http://www.handheldmed.com/code/news
http://www.gnn.de/0005/7603.html [www.gnn.de] (German)
http://www.p cwelt.de/content/news/newprodukte/2000/05/xn09050
http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/ eng/product/digital/pda/ [samsung.co.kr]
Links to other Yopy and general Linux-PDA ressourceshttp://www.gmate.co.kr [gmate.co.kr]
http://www.palmtopmagazin.de/board/linux Discussion about Linux-PDAs (German) [palmtopmagazin.de]
http://www.palmtopmagazin.de/news/linux [palmtopmagazin.de] Linux-PDA news (German)
http://www.theyopy.de [theyopy.de] German Yopy fan site
http://www.handhelds.org [handhelds.org] Linux-Development for Compaq iPaq
http://www.yopy.org [yopy.org] Another Yopy fan site
second question... (Score:1)
Mirror for North Americans (Score:1)
Funny thing is, these pictures are dated July 1999.
Even funnier, it really did take this long (150 posts) to download the whole thing.
Re:YOPY Go Home (Score:2)
Doesn't anyone else think that this PDA craze is getting out of hand? Sure, it's neat to have information in a small, portable form, but do we want to be "connected" 24/7? Don't we want the ability to take a vacation instead of spending our week in Hawaii sending memos to the boss on our shiny new PDA while talking on a cellphone, waiting for our beeper to ring, and coding on a laptop?
Well, here is an idea. Don't fucking buy one if you don't want one. Don't make the rest of us suffer because you want to fucking rub to sticks together to make a fire, while the rest of us are more than happy to use a zippo.
Re:YOPY Go Home (Score:1)
if you were in an accident, for example, you could send a memo to the hospital.
Haha. If you were in an accident you would not be able to send anything. Type recognition works like magic when your hand (head, spine, legs, fingers...) is broken. :)
Re:Battery Life (Score:1)
Re:PDA's (Score:1)
A quick Google search [google.com] turned up this [psionplace.com]. It seems like it's a way to put OPL on the revo (taking up about 40K), although I can't tell you if it works or not.
Good luck!
the W interface & RISK plus andy groves watch (Score:2)
the only reason I can see for getting it done with W rather than X is fonts and widget set
it I think is slower than X but offers a more complete solution
X is fast as long as you dont use large bitmaps and widget sets which hog memory (QT and gtk are guilty when useing pixmaped themes ) I use X for Xterms and displaying a nice background and it runs @ light speed
when we actualy use an proper solution then we will see how nice fonts can be !
hell it uses a StrongARM it could if they wanted run X same as itsy
they just went for a small development time with as few developers as possible this was to minamize RISK which as any project manager are BIG factors in what companys let you do
compaq have a head start By owning digital where they actualy Know what the StrongARM is capable of !
(they just dont know it yet and is towing the line with Microsoft)
recompileing the kernel under WinCE is so nightmareish that nobody does it and so compromises it !
this is how GNU/Linux can easly win
plus have you noticed Redhat are hawking tools for the StrongARM
andy Grove what did you learn by useing that intel watch !
(dont worry its someone elses tech which works ! )
fun and games
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Re:Korea? wtf post mirrors (Score:1)
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/andrew/usr7/nstrom/www/s tuff/beta.tar.gz [cmu.edu] g z [cmu.edu] e ta.tar.gz [cmu.edu]
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~nstrom/stuff/beta.tar.
http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~nstrom/stuff/b
Enjoy!
Here is a mirror... (Score:1)
This does look like a nifty little beastie, though I'd like to handle one before buying...
Mirror (Score:1)
Re:This is an outrage (Score:1)
Get over yourself already.
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Re:Looks nice, but... (Score:3)
That's only if you believe there is such a thing as the ultimate PDA. A PDA doesn't have to be of the Palm/Handspring genre, but can instead me any small mobile device that has organizing and functional abilities incorporated into it.
Personally, I'm sick of the genre. I'd like a PDA that had the ability to call a phone number from my phone/address book, to listen to and search for mp3's and listen to them as they stream out of thin air into my headphones, etc.
But while I want one Palm-sized device, I would also like a miniature device that would function just as a phone with some additional functionality but be able to sync against my Palm, a miniature laptop that could sync to both my phone and my Palm, and a way to sync all of these devices and maybe 20 more all together, each specializing in one thing instead of having a big cell phone that tries to act like a PDA.
ultimate PDA you say? Ha. you'll wish you were only carrying 1 gadget 10 yrs from now.
This link is with extracted color thumbnails btw (Score:1)
Re:Finally got the damn file... (Score:1)
I'll see If I can figure somthing out.. do you have somewhere I can upload/send it?
Those are pics from CeBIT ...old ones (Score:1)
Re:At least (Score:1)
Tried saving unix file permissions in a
Where'd this 'many many more people use zip' comment come from?? obviously in windows-land they do.. that's plainly obvious.
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Re:Raise your expectations! (Score:2)
read Interface [amazon.com] by Stephen Bury
Re:YOPY Go Home (Score:1)
A PDA will give you access to any information you store on it! If all you can think is to put your boss' address on it, so you can contact him/her, may be you shouldn't take your PDA on to your vacations. As far as I know the titanium chain to your neck is still an optional, these days...
PDAs are pervasive? Only if it gives information away to someone else, without your control. I don't think that's quite the case, yet. Just be careful on what model you buy.
P.S.: I don't endorse any particular model of PDA. I just feel people shouldn't be blindly bashing on a whole class of products based solely on technophobia.
Re:At least (Score:1)
Put your ear up to the monitor, ok, now listen closely. Baaaaaaa baaaaaaaaa. Sound familiar? It's the sound of other zip users.
Go here for the new ones (Score:1)
Re:Raise your expectations! (Score:1)
To hack him dont you think??
I mean we can effectively deafen, blind him leaving his only sense left the internet
Just imagine that.. instead of having regular senses all you have is IE (AHHHH) and Media player for sound. hehe.. just wait for ILOVEYOU to come to you
Hmmn Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignornace
Re:The obvious question... (Score:1)
YAWN (Score:1)
viewable mirror of the TGZ (Score:2)
I made a quick little page for those of you wanting to actually VIEW the contents of the TGZ file (as well as making a ZIP version). Thumbnails, etc. quick and dirty. http://rm-f.net/~orange/yopy/20000 725/index.html [rm-f.net]
Re:The obvious question... (Score:2)
1. the Windows OS, as much as we all hate/loath it, is the most recognized and used operating system EVER. this doesn't mean it's great, but there are millions that are comfortable with it.
2. the WinCE OS currently holds between 15 and 30 percent of the mobile market. Palm and Handspring have the other 70 to 85 percent between the two of them.
So while WinCE might be familiar to everyone, it doesn't currently seem like this is a great selling point. Although, it could be because the USABILITY of the Palm OS and PDA is much higher. Yes, WinCE might have more functionality (afterall, it IS supposed to be Windows crammed into a small body), but if users can't figure out how to use it, what good is it?
Symbian's EPOC might be very kewl when it comes out. Sony's next generation of mobile devices (both PDA's and cell phones) might be running this OS with 3G capabilities (wishful thinking of course). When Sony, including both their techies and their marketting people, get involved with mobile devices, just you wait. They'll take over the market in much the same way they've taken over consumer electronics.
Re:CE and the YOPY (Score:2)
The real problem comes in the desktop integration. It's the idea of seamlessness that doesn't work. Sometimes you need to be able to see the seams because the "seamless" version papers over significnt things. Like some drivers I've seen that make tape drives "look like" hard drives -- yeah great, but I'd rather have a fast tape drive than a slooow hard disk. The same applies to the ActiveSync; it doesn't achieve what it sets out to do perfectly and with utter reliability, as Palm's Hotsynch does.
In short, I've found ActiveSynch to be flaky. Better predictable and "seamy" than flaky and "seamless".
My company uses both -- Palms for day to day stuff where utter reliability is the premium, WinCE handhelds for things that require more power in the field.
"Ultimate" PDA is not a sensible concept (Score:2)
The Palm machines are designed around the exact opposite, namely being designed around a set of design compromises.
Thus nothing resembling "disk," or "files."
This set of design constraints mean that rather than doing the "WinCE" thing of "trying to be Windows, with a somewhat smaller screen," PalmOS is completely different.
It encourages creating embedded applications that do fairly specific things, rather than creating "generic" applications like spreadsheets to do "generic" things.
While all of the above looks like criticism, particularly in light of the usual "GNU" thing of encouraging there to be no arbitrary limits, I would take the opposite tack. PalmOS has provided a case of relishing the limitations, and working with them rather than the approach of fighting against them.
The net result has been pretty successful. You can do a number of useful things with a Palm III, which make it worth having one.
I'm not sure that the Yopi has chosen its design compromises carefully enough to be able to be successful.
PalmComputing generally doesn't suffer from being too slow.
It needs to be useful without the extra stuff, unless it includes a keyboard by default.
A few people will run it because of that, but I'm a Linux advocate [hex.net] and I wouldn't spend the money just because of that.
At present, the iPAQ 3600 [handhelds.org] may run Linux, but does so only if you have a desktop "terminal" to connect to it. It may ultimately become "useful on the road," but it's not there yet.
I just don't think Yopi has yet come up with a suitable set of compromises in order to become amazingly functional.
Re:What's with this file? (Score:2)
I bit down on my tootsie roll when I heard you had been admitted to the hallowed halls of trolldom! To the wise trolls who admitted you, I can offer only this advice:
Carry your own toilet paper with you. [slashdot.org]
Re:At least (Score:2)
Hey, who's trolling?
Tried saving unix file permissions in a
Depends on how you compress it. Images shouldn't be compressed anyway - not if they're GIF or JPG - you gain nothing.
Frankly, I already know how to use tar and gzip - in fact, I can use Winzip to do the same thing if I want to (which is convenient).
The permissions argument is a useless one for this particular instance anyway. Images don't need them. Documents don't need them. And that's what most people use Zip for.
Where'd this 'many many more people use zip' comment come from?? obviously in windows-land they do.. that's plainly obvious.
ZIP is available on Unix.
JAR files use Zip compression.
More people use Windows on a day to day basis - including surfing from work - than would be likely to have access to Tar and Gzip.
Simon
Calm computing (Score:2)
Well worth the read.
Cheers,
Ben